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post #1 of 35
Thread Starter 
My cat's annual check-up/vaccination appointment is fast approaching and I'm seriously thinking about not taking her. Chloe's an indoor cat, six years old and other than being a little chubby (which we're working on) she's in excellent health. She's also the most anti-social cat on the planet. She tolerates my friends but keeps a careful distance and swats at them if they get too close. Heaven forbid anyone tries to pet her because then the claws come out. She is absolutely terrified of strangers and goes into a blind panic when a plumber or delivery person comes into the house.

Trips to the vet are pure torture for her even though everyone who works there is very kind and patient with her. It takes 3 people to hold her down for her shots. She literally screams and fights until she's exhausted and she's a nervous wreck for hours ... sometimes days ... afterward. I want to keep her up to date on her shots but I'm not sure it's worth the drama and stress.

So, back to my originial question: am I a bad mommy if I decide to skip the vaccinations from now on and only take Chloe to the vet is she's sick?
post #2 of 35
IMHO I would suggest you research vaccinations... Check local laws as you do not want to be in violation if something were to happen( some states a simple scratch or love bite can be cause to quarentine or PTS an animal)... At my house I follow the protocal my vet does : kitten series then booster a yr later... Rabies on a per cat basis after that ...
post #3 of 35
After discussing my cats with my vet, they don't get the standard annual vaccinations. Given the tremendous stress your poor kitty goes through in a vet visit, I'd be even less inclined to bring her in.

And you are absolutely NOT a bad mother!!!!!
post #4 of 35
My cats only get certain shots.
There is no rabies law here so my cats do not get that shot except for the ones I show.
The other only get the 3 in 1 distemper.
post #5 of 35
While I don't agree with yearly vaccines, I do think a yearly checkup is needed especially as cats age.

Perhaps you could find a mobile vet who does home visits to make it less stressful on kitty, or if you do need to go into an office spray her carrier with Feliway, use Rescue Remedy for several days before and after to help calm her down.
post #6 of 35
you're not a bad mother!!

I think vaccines are mostly just a make-money-gimmick.

After all.. don't humans only get them like, once every 10 years? I don't remember the last time I got any vaccines.

They're sooo expensive for pets.. the only vaccines I would be interested in getting are the leukemia/hiv vaccines for my cat.

My oldest cat is 14 years old.. I get her vaccines every 5 years or so.
post #7 of 35
Our cats honestly haven't been vaccinated in years.. the only time it happens is if we take them to the vet for other reasons, and the vet sees that they aren't up to date on them. They're all indoor cats, and there's nothing they'd be exposed to, so we don't see the reason.
post #8 of 35
I think you should talk to your vet and express your concerns. It is very important that your cat be checked out annually and have the appropriate bloodwork, but you and your vet need to be in agreement regarding the vaccinations.

Personally, my vet and I have discussed each of my kitties and we do different things for each one, even though they are all inside only kitties. The biggest thing is for my Hannah, who is FHV positive. She gets NO shots, even the state required rabies shot unless there is a rabies outbreak. For Callie, my oldest who's got CRF, she got a 3-yr rabies last year and only the Feline Distemper shot this year. Tumbles is in the process of getting his kitten vacs and will get the rabies shot this year. When it's time for his annual check up next year, we'll discuss what shots to give.
post #9 of 35
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone ... I'm feeling much less like a bad mother!

I'm pretty sure rabies vaccinations are mandatory in my state. But unless she bites someone, I really don't think the police are going to show up on my door step and drag me off in handcuffs for skipping it.

I'd be more inclined to continue taking Chloe to the vet if she was getting a proper check-up but she's not. The doctor tries, bless him, but she just fights so hard it's practically impossible. And there's no way they could draw blood so that hasn't been done since she was a tiny kitten. Basically, a couple of the vet techs (wearing protective gloves and face shields) flip the top off the crate and pin her to the bottom. Then the vet grabs her (gently) by the scruff of the neck, gives the shots and tries to do whatever exam he can with one free hand. Once he's done they do this very fast, very well co-ordinated manuever of letting go of her while simultaneously flipping the lid back on the crate and running for their lives. You'd think there was a bengal tiger in that box instead of a 14 pound house cat! It would be sort of hilarious to watch if poor Chloe weren't insane with fear.

For those of you who use Feliway or Rescue Remedy, what kind of success have you had? I've thought about trying it but Chloe is sooooo fearful I can't imagine it making much difference.
post #10 of 35
I'd talk with the vet - see if they can work out a home visit or have other suggestions. I'd seriously talk to the vet about the rabies shot, though - if she bites someone, you'd be in trouble, and Chloe would be in a very bad situation. And, I'm in suburban Chicago - rabid bats have been found in homes in the nicest suburbs. Myself, not ready to take that chance at all.

And, I go outside and bring things in, on my shoes, on my clothes, etc. - that's why I talk to my vet about which shots are worthwhile

You're not a bad mother - but, truly, I'd set up a separate appointment to discuss the issue with the vet and get their take on the situation.

BTW, re adult humans and vaccinations - talk to an internist about how many adults are far out of date on their vaccinations. It's very interesting,and scary - but lots of humans aren't exactly pro active about their own health.
post #11 of 35
We have rabies vaccines laws here, but I would discuss it with your vet like other posters have suggested. My new vet has a mobile option for such cases, like cats who just cannot go to the vet. It's also a great option for the vet, since they don't have to deal with a cat that is very upset and may hurt them in the process. I didn't get Boo vaccinated for awhile, but then was forced to to have him seen by a vet... so if you don't have proof of it they may refuse to see your kitty...

I do agree with the yearly check ups. That's where you find the things before they become worse.

And NO you are not a bad mother!
post #12 of 35
Also talk to your vet regarding giving a sedative to your cat before taking her in. It's possible that might work for you.
post #13 of 35
Ask your vet about a home visit... or house call ... I have this done for one of mine as a carrier is not an option
post #14 of 35
I would't want to skip the rabies if it is required in your state. I agree that you should explore some options before deciding against everything. Talk to your vet.
post #15 of 35
I have to take my very skittish cat to the vet Tuesday for his rabies. All my cats are indoors, but they all get the rabies shots and distemper. But he has to have a sedative. I don't like it, but it is necessary for a good exam.

My 2 daughters have had a bat get in each home. Luckily, they tested negative for rabies. If that happens, and the bat is positive, well it can get nasty for your kitty. I don't want to go through possility of loosing one of my best buds.

And I have to add that just two days ago, a raccoon was in the road in front of our house falling down and rolling. Three weeks ago, I found a baby coon dead in our gully...no marks or visible injuries. My husband, bless his heart, had to put the coon out of her misery. Yes, she may have been hit, but these signs are classic rabies signs.

Very unnerving. It is not worth the health risk to your animals. Yes your cats may be indoors, but God forbid they get out by mistake or something finds its way into your home. I don't want any regrets. Rabies shots are not negotiable...they are absolutely necessary.
post #16 of 35
see, I am the dissenting voice here on this thread..I do not take my cats in to the vet unless they are sick (so far)..I am absolutely against vaccinations unless necessary. It has not been necessary for 2 of my indoor only kitties since I've adopted them 10 years ago. They are healthy as is. They do not go outside. never. They are fine as is. They do not get rabies vaccinations or other strains of virus they will never encounter. Why put their bodies through this?? for why, with indoor only kitties? I can see if one has an indoor/outdoor cat, encountering other animals, but no way with indoor only babies..the research I've seen with vaccinations on cats/dogs with the bad side effects scares the crap out of me..no thanks, do a search on google for side effects of veterinary vaccinations, it is a cash cow for vets for sure in my mind...not for my babies, no way unless absolutely needed (but yes for booster shots with kittens/young cats)
post #17 of 35
I have had cats for over 30 years, my kids have cats. My mom and her friends had cats. Never, ever has anyone had a problem with getting their shots.

My cats lives are worth everything to me. I will not give the FLV shot. Distemper can be spread by fleas and other insects. Also on clothing. It can live in a cats bedding for a year. So that is also one that I have them get.

I have learned to "never say never". A loose window screen, a neighbor who stands at the door talking with the door just a bit open, an accident while transporting your pet. The list goes on and on.

The benefits of vaccinations for rabies and distemper IMO totally outweigh the risks.

I never want to say "if only..."
post #18 of 35
Attitude and Nuts will get whatever the vet says they need this year since their last vaccines were their kitten shots so I'm not sure what they need. They also have FeLV so I'm not risking their already weakened immune systems from anything the vet thinks they need to have vaccines for. Most likely rabies and distemper. I don't think they need anything else. I obviously don't do the FeLV vaccine(unless the cat is high risk, outside/inside, outside only, or living with an infected cat, no way would I give it to them, and this is coming from someone with 8 positive cats in total, 6 of them outside 2 inside, so I know a little bit about FeLV positive cats. Brutal disease but no risk of infection, skip the shot.) I also see no reason for the FIV shot, that's all mine need, to get out be picked up and show the double whammy of FeLV and FIV. The FIV shot makes a cat show positive for the rest of their lives, really not worth it. It isn't worth it when shelters and rescues mostly euthanize cats that come up FIV positive, even if it is because of the vaccine. I wouldn't even recommend the FIV vaccine for a cat living with a positive cat and I think most others feel the exact same way. The FIV shot just isn't worth it for any reason. If they had a HIV vaccine would you get it if it made you shows up as HIV positive for life? I know I sure as heck wouldn't. FIV and HIV are essentially the same virus just different strains.

Taryn
post #19 of 35
My cats are indoor only as well, and it was my vet who said they don't need their injections as long as they remain indoors.

They still go for a yearly checkup though
post #20 of 35
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Originally Posted by farleyv View Post
I have had cats for over 30 years, my kids have cats. My mom and her friends had cats. Never, ever has anyone had a problem with getting their shots.

My cats lives are worth everything to me. I will not give the FLV shot. Distemper can be spread by fleas and other insects. Also on clothing. It can live in a cats bedding for a year. So that is also one that I have them get.

I have learned to "never say never". A loose window screen, a neighbor who stands at the door talking with the door just a bit open, an accident while transporting your pet. The list goes on and on.

The benefits of vaccinations for rabies and distemper IMO totally outweigh the risks.

I never want to say "if only..."


Rabies is EVERYWHERE in the USA. All it takes is once.

A bat gets in.

A cat gets frightened and goes the wrong way and is out the door before you know it.

Your cat has en emergency...she's choking say, or won't eat or ate poison or ingested a string and you need to take her to the ER vet. They want to know if her vaccinations are up to date and will not see her if they are not.

A cat gets frightened and bites your friend and your friend has to go to the ER. At the ER they require a report. They find out your cat is not vaccinated. Cat is either quarantined (at your expense and serious stress to her) or destroyed. And so on and so on.

These things happen. It's just not worth the risk, in my opinion.

I have a friend who lives in a small town in a southern state. A fox attacked a neighbor. The fox was rabid. There are four other foxes still at large. Yesterday a rabid kitten was found on the street attacking the wheel of a car.

Rabies is everywhere and people who will not vaccinate against it just exacerbate the problem.

My cats go to the vet every six months for well checks, and when they are sick. They get the purevax rabies vaccine annually and the distemper boosters, then distemper every three years until they are about 10.

to the OP: Do find a vet that does home visits. Call and ask your vet. Your kitty should have a check up at least once a year, and she needs that rabies vaccine for her own protection.
post #21 of 35
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
My cats are indoor only as well, and it was my vet who said they don't need their injections as long as they remain indoors.

They still go for a yearly checkup though
You don't have rabies over there, though. Rabies vaccine is the one that should not be omitted, in the USA.
post #22 of 35
No rabies in the UK. Lots of rabies in North and South America.

Rabies is one shot never to screw around about, unless your vet gives you written documentation to show authorities....as has been repeatedly said, one little 'accident', and at best you're looking at a long segregation for the animal - and that's the best case scenario.

Also, at least in my area, you will never be able to board an animal that does not have its rabies shot. Sure, you might think that's not an issue, but did you want to wait til it happens.
post #23 of 35
I would highly suggest finding a vet that will come to your house. I have a friend that has a cat that is a yearly fight to get her to to the vet. Its torture trying to get her into the carrier let alone what goes on once they get the cat to the vets office!!!!! The vet really can't even get a good look at the cat because she is so freaked out. Generally its a stab her with the shots and thats it

Anyway, my friend tried a vet that came to her home (a holistic vet as well). She did not get any shots.....just a checkup. She said that the minute the vet came through the door she was impressed. The cat never really even struggled. She was so much more relaxed in her home environment.

It is definitely a good idea to at least get your kitty looked at. There could be an underlying problem that you are not even aware of yet because the kitty doesn't show any apparent symptoms but there are things that the vet will notice.

Good Luck!
post #24 of 35
Just wanted to say that most years, the health department does a fly over, dropping vaccine laden "treats" for wildlife around here.

That is how serious rabies is taken in this state.
post #25 of 35
We have rabies outbreaks at least every few years. Usually it is only found after horses start turning up positive, from encounters with rabid wildlife, usually bats, skunks, squirrels, opossums or raccoons, usually skunks. They seem to be the most likely to be positive around here if they have a run-in with a skunk or bat they are the most common animals to be rabid here. I don't want to have to put my cats down because they aren't vaccinated. My ex-husband had to have his cat put down when he was a child after it got into a fight with a rabid skunk. If a rabid bat(or any bat they can't catch before release) ever gets in your house and your pet is not vaccinated you have sign their death warrant. If an unvaccinated animal is in a house with a rabid bat(or an encounter with any known or suspected rabid animal) they have to, by law, be put down, or at least they do here.

Paul had to shoot a paralyzed raccoon that showed up in Mitzi's wood bin. She actually called work and told them she'd be late until she could get her neighbor to come over and fix the problem since she was afraid to walk past it to get to her car. Now granted it could have been hit by a car and made it to the bin but it was sick. Paul used 2 pieces of wood to get it out of the bin and all he got was a very weak growl, it didn't try to do anything to him and we all know what a normal raccoon would do. He got it out of the bin and it got a 9 mm slug to the back of the neck, at the brain stem/top of the spinal cord, the quickest and most humane way to put down a sick coon, they don't feel a thing they die instantly. It is also the only place you can shoot one and guarantee it dies, otherwise you are just torturing it with multiple shots(just an FYI if you ever run into the need to humanely put a raccoon out of it's suffering.) Either way this coon was sick, it could have been hit by a car, could have been rabid or had distemper(a very very common illness in coons.)

For me it isn't worth the risk. I'd rather have them vaccinated than essentially sign their death warrant in case they ever did have an encounter with a rabid animal or a bat got in the house.

Like vaccinated my son, the benefit outweighs the risk. I had an aunt die in the 1930's from pneumonia before she was a year old, a very very common thing back then. Almost no one hadn't lost at least one child, usually before they were a year old. When burying my grandmother I saw a head stone with 4 babies buried there, they ages were 1 day, 1 week, 1 month and 1 year, this was from the '30s or before, very common.

I nursed my son through pneumococcal pneumonia, they do vaccinate against that but either it was a strain not covered or the vaccine didn't take. He was so sick I wish they had hospitalized him but his ped was a prick and refused to do it. My MIL an ICU nurse also wanted him admitted because he was refusing to drink(much less eat), we were having to force fluids in him(most of which came right back up), a fever of at least 103(on Tylenol and/or Motrin) and he just looked really sick. He got to the peds office and they rushed him back immediately and took his vitals to make sure he was ok enough to not need to get him to the ER/ hospital immediately for care. I had to take him back to the doctor every day for a week so he could be looked at so they could give him antibiotic shots(on top of the oral ones he was receiving at home, we finally found one that didn't make him barf on the 4th try at different antibiotics.) Plus make sure he had each of his 4 inhalers at least 2-3 times a day(try using an inhaler on a 3 year old.) It also made us lose all progress in getting him potty trained, he had to go back into diapers. He also gave it to me. I have never been that sick in my life. All I could do was sleep and wake up drenched in sweat. I got a shot of an antibiotic in my rear, an x-ray and an immediate breathing treatment, plus my own script for powerful antibiotics.

Stuff happens, even with vaccines but I was told if he didn't have some of the immunities from the vaccine I most likely would have buried my 3 year old or he would have had a very long hospitalization and he would almost certainly died if he had been younger. Isn't worth it. Benefit outweighs the risk.

My child and my cats are fully vaccinated. I'm mad that he got the chicken pox vaccine but that is a different post on a different message board. He also doesn't get yearly flu shots, those 2 are my FeLV and FIV vaccines, unneeded and not worth it, benefit does not outweigh the risk.

You pick and choose what vaccines you want/need, but I make sure both my son and my cats have the important ones. Rabies is not negotiable, they will always be vaccinated for rabies. Benefit really outweighs the risk considering rabies is 100% fatal if contracted. I'm jealous of the British, Hawaiians and Aussies since they don't have to worry about rabies since they are rabies-free.

Rabies is not a joke, like I said if it is even suspected the animal had an encounter with a rabid animal and is not vaccinated they are by law put down.

Taryn
post #26 of 35
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the input, gang!

My main concern is the rabies vaccine as I live in rural PA and rabies is everywhere here. We had a bat in the house earlier this summer and by the time I found it, Chloe had knocked it out of the air and was stalking it across the bathroom floor.

Having a vet come to the house is a good idea ... for any other cat. But Chloe hates strangers in her house even more than she hates going to the vet. So that would just be trading one trauma for another. What can I say? She's a total problem child.

I did a little research and the rabies vaccine is only required every 3 years so I think that's what I'm going to do from now ... take her in every third year and skip the years in between.

Thanks again to everyone who weighed in!
post #27 of 35
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Originally Posted by chloe_minerva View Post
Thanks for all the input, gang!

My main concern is the rabies vaccine as I live in rural PA and rabies is everywhere here. We had a bat in the house earlier this summer and by the time I found it, Chloe had knocked it out of the air and was stalking it across the bathroom floor.

Having a vet come to the house is a good idea ... for any other cat. But Chloe hates strangers in her house even more than she hates going to the vet. So that would just be trading one trauma for another. What can I say? She's a total problem child.

I did a little research and the rabies vaccine is only required every 3 years so I think that's what I'm going to do from now ... take her in every third year and skip the years in between.

Thanks again to everyone who weighed in!
Just check your records, (or call your vet) and make sure you know which rabies vaccination Chloe had last time. If she had the PureVax, that is an annual vaccine (also much safer than the 3 year adjuvanted vaccine) and she will need to be vaccinated again this year.
post #28 of 35
I won't be vaccinating one of my cats anymore. He has herpes, and when I recently got him the FVRCCP (is that the acronym?) he got a URI. I'm not sure if the rabies shot will set him off that way, but I don't really want to take the chance. He's scared of going outside, so he doesn't try to get out. He does come with me to my mom's house and likes to hang out with her four dogs, but they are all vaccinated.

I'll keep my other guy vaccinated, though, because he does try to go out. He loves one of the strays that lives in my complex, so he's always trying to get out and see him.


When my mom got two of her dogs from a westie rescue organization, the lady in charge gave my mom some paperwork about how vaccine frequency is a controversy in the veterinary world. It said that studies have shown that vaccines aren't needed nearly as often as they're given, but they're one of the biggest money makers for vets, so vets are reluctant to change recommended vaccine schedules. It said that giving too many vaccines can be a risk factor for immune conditions like arthritis. Keep in mind that the paper was talking about dogs, but I imagine that could be true of cats as well. So that does give me pause concerning vaccines.
post #29 of 35
I have an indoor cat with herpes too. He also has a seizure disorder and liver disease. He is 11 years old. He gets his PureVax rabies annually. Not only is it the law, I want him protected.

Rabies is rampant and no one should leave their pets unvaccinated. You just never know what is going to happen.

There is also a three year shot, but it contains an adjuvant. I prefer the adjuvant-free annual PureVax rabies.

I just don't know why anyone would want to put their pets at risk. The distemper (FVRCCP) vaccine is different, and I agree that your indoor herpes boy no longer needs that. Mine doesn't get it anymore either. He never needed the "FV" part. My younger cats stilling get an RCCP every three years, since they need to be protected from Tolly's herpes.

But don't skip the rabies.
post #30 of 35
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by otto View Post
Just check your records, (or call your vet) and make sure you know which rabies vaccination Chloe had last time. If she had the PureVax, that is an annual vaccine (also much safer than the 3 year adjuvanted vaccine) and she will need to be vaccinated again this year.
One thing my vet does that I love ... every reciept includes what shots are due and when. So all I have to do is look at the receipt from the last time I bought flea medicine and I know that her rabies vaccine is due Dec. 9, 2011.

She's been getting the three years rabies vaccine all along and doing fine with it so I have no concerns about continuing with it.

Here's a picture of my little drama queen in one of her mellow moments.

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