Ketamine

My vet does not use ketamine. My vet also does not use pre-anesthetic sedatives of any kind because she uses sevoflurane, also a gas, but faster acting than isoflurane, so the pre-drugs are not needed.

The one drawback I suppose is sevoflurane doesn't offer the same level of pain control afterward a deeper anesthetic may. But hey, that's what buprenex is for, that is if pain control is needed. A routine dental with no extractions would not require pain meds.

My Dentist/Vet clinic doesn't use Ketamine on cats - they say it is simply not safe enough, and there are better options. They do use it for dogs.
Due to the heart failure risks and kidney and liver potential side effects, I just rather not use it at all.

I am confused by your statement and wondering you you read the same articles that I read from that site? Such as this one?
http://www.gimmiesfishes.org/docs/ke...ichardsDVM.pdf

It does not say it is a problem mostly to Sphynxs. It says that it causes hypertension in cats during anesthesia recovery and it is dangerous for cats that have undiagnosed cardiomyopathy. It lists the breeds that have a higher risk of having HCM, Sphynx being one of them.
It also says in there: There is an increased risk when the cats are intubated; which is usually the case in a dental, and of course non-breed specific.
Furthermore the risk of pulmonary endema - not breed specific either.

In cats with cardiomyopathy, these things will likely kill on the spot. Sphynx, though have a greater risk of HCM, are not the only cats who have it....
Even if your cat doesn't have HCM, it can get hurt pretty bad; just not as bad as one who does.
Pretty devastating way to find out...

My vet (and the vet I will soon be working for -- I'm just waiting on that darned drug screen to come back ) does not use Ketamine. They primarily use Isoflurane and Sevoflurane. They do also use Propofol. I know that they used to use Ketamine, but no longer offer it as they feel its risks far outweigh its benefits.

But, to be safe, and because I feel so strongly about it, I have it on all of my pets' records to not use Ketamine -- no matter what. And, I have ensured that it is on my pets' records at the emergency vet's office as well. Ketamine was determined to be the cause of my father's cat's death and I have at least two other friends who have losts pets to Ketamine. And, it's not just cats. A dear friend of mine lost her dachsund due to Ketamine. I will never allow it to be used on any of my pets and I do what I can to ensure that others are aware of its dangers.

Aside from the Ketamine, I have other meds on my cats' files that are either a strict DO NOT USE or a CONSULT OWNER BEFORE USE. I have done the same for my dogs, but so as not to get into all of that, I will keep it on track with only discussing my kitties. On their DO NOT USE list is Ketamine and Metacam. And, on the CONSULT OWNER BEFORE USE list are a number of drugs such as Convenia, Clavamox, Buprenex, Flagyl, and all steroids. I also require my vet to contact me if doing innoculations as I have some pets with sensitivities and I insist that they only receive adjuvent-free rabies shots. I used to worry about being seen as a pain, but I'd rather be a "nut" than a "normal" person with a ill or dead pet. But, thankfully, I don't have to worry as my vet and the vet office as a whole is wonderful and supportive.

Just as I must be an advocate for my own health and health care, I need to be informed and an advocate for my pets' health and health care. And, in my pets' case, it's even more important for me to be up-to-date about information and on top of things -- they don't have a voice and so I'm their voice. It's responsible pet ownership and I'm more than happy to do what I can (and need to do). Good on you for doing the same.

I have requested never to have ketamine used (or had requested) on Boo, because of his kidney issues, which I found out he had kidney issues back in 2006 and he was put under at least 3 times with ketamine/valium. This probably made the CRF progress even worse and I was unaware of it until he crashed. That's just my personal experience. I have no advanced knowledge of it except I will never have it used on my cats ever. My personal vet said she would've rather not had to sedate my cat at all. In any case I am against Ketamine/Valium my own cats.

I almost lost four kittens to ketamine during a neuter and it was only by the grace of God and the wonderful care of a vet at a local clinic that they pulled through. It is on all the animals charts not to use Ketamine at all- She called it falling down the K- Hole when the kittens were crashing. One kitten never fully recovered and suffered brain damage. Old school vets use ketamine- vets in the know and feline specialists never do-

Because it is mostly just hype and scare tactics. You likely won't find any studies done by Veterinary teaching facilities condemning the use of Ketamine, because there is no hard factual scientific evidence proving that it's dangerous. Anectdotal evidence provided on line by a few people who have experienced a problem with it really proves nothing.

Any number of reasons can exist for an animal having a problem with Ketamine or any other anesthetic. Such as poor health, underlying medical conditions and improper administration by the veterinary staff.

Haven't had a problem in 13 years of breeding bengals and using ketamine.

Not to go OT, but Allison Joy, why do you have Clavamox on there? Just curious. Boo was on that for awhile and the new vet only used Clindamycin on him. I believe. Just curious

Clavamox is on Tolly's and Jennie's "do not use" list because they are allergic to it, it makes them very sick.

Mazy had never had trouble with it until the last time she had to take it for a bad ear infection. It seems, in my experience, that the more often they take the Clavamox, the less tolerant of it they are. So Mazy will probably get the do not use clavamox on her chart, too, if she has trouble with it next time she needs it (if ever)

The thing is, you can find anything to corroborate anything on the internet. Many of us here will not allow ketamine use in our cats (and my vet does not use it)but as you read, some here think it's fine and you can go elsewhere and find lots of people who think it's great.

The bottom line is, do you trust your vet. If you do trust your vet, and you have discussed all this with her/him and receive answers that satisfy you, then go with what your vet uses. If you don't trust your vet, find a vet you trust.