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De-barking

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
We live in an apartment block... and we're not allowed pets. I think by pets they mean dogs due to the noise....
SO anyway, a couple of months ago we noticed that the doggie upstairs had stopped barking. Then a couple of days later at the vet we over heard that he would be performing a de-barking that afternoon... And every now and then we see the doggie upstairs in the lift etc but... we never hear any barking....

So anyway, what do all of you think about de-barking?
post #2 of 27
De-barking ranks with declawing. With proper training, a dog can be trained to bark at appropriate times. I have two dogs and they only bark at strangers and, when I tell them to hush, they do.
post #3 of 27
gee that sound awful, what do they do? i never heard of it
post #4 of 27
I'm with Cindy. It is mutilation of the animal, IMO.
post #5 of 27
I didn't know that dogs could be de-barked. But that certainly does sound awful, because dogs CAN be trained to bark only at certain times, and like someone said yesterday, a dog's job is to alert you of strangers and to protect you.
post #6 of 27
I don't mind Ike and Pearl's barking. Our doorbell isn't very loud and the dogs let us know when the pizza delivery shows up!

As for de-barking, it involves surgically altering the dogs vocal cords. I knew a couple who had this done to their toy poodle. Poor puppy! If you don't want a dog that barks, get a Basenji!
post #7 of 27
I read about that some time ago. It involves removing their 'voice box', much like taking away a persons larynx so they couldn't speak.

Its dispicable!
post #8 of 27
It's mutilation of a pet. Horrible!

If a dog's barking is annoying, the owner should consult an animal behaviorist. People shouldn't get a dog if they're not prepared to take the time to interact with it and train it properly.
post #9 of 27
Dogs bark. That is their thing. To think that someone would take that away is just awful, and honestly sickens me.
post #10 of 27
If someone doesn't want their pet to bark than they should NOT by a DOG! There are many other quieter pets to choose from. Debarking a dog should be illegal.
post #11 of 27
that makes me sick with anger! thats like taking out your babys voice box to stop it from crying!!!
post #12 of 27
De-barking was a little bit of an issue around here recently. The concern was that drug dealers and drug manufacturers would de-bark their dogs so that if the police came, the police would have no warning that there were dogs (especially agressive dogs) on the property. There were actually a few cases where de-barked dogs were used as guard dogs. De-barking is abhorrent no matter what, but to think that it's done to protect criminal activity against the police is somehow worse. But I think it will be very hard to control among people who are using the dogs in this manner-I'm sure there are always people willing to do the de-barking for lots of money without asking questions.
post #13 of 27
heck if you want a dog that doesnt bark, there is a breed that doesnt, i cant think of the name right now but my nrighbors daughter has 2 of them, and they dont bark, and thats the way there born, and also a Dingo doesnt bark, why would you do such a thing that cruel.
post #14 of 27
Barking dogs is the most annoying sound in the world to me. I cant stand it. But I do feel that getting them de-barked ranks with declawing and is cruel and shouldnt be done.
post #15 of 27
Doug- The breed that doesn't bark is a basenji, it kind of yodels ..

I think this is disgusting, but if people have their reasons and it doesn't phiscially harm the dog..
post #16 of 27
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Originally posted by WellingtonCats
Doug- The breed that doesn't bark is a basenji, it kind of yodels ..

I think this is disgusting, but if people have their reasons and it doesn't phiscially harm the dog..
Unfortunately, Sam, it does harm the dog. It involves surgery to either cut the vocal cords or remove the voice box entirely. I think you could argue that such an unnecessary surgery (except for the convenience or illegal needs of an owner) is abuse. I think the comparison to declawing cats is valid.
post #17 of 27
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Originally posted by WellingtonCats

I think this is disgusting, but if people have their reasons and it doesn't phiscially harm the dog..
That is the whole point, Wellington Cats. It does harm the dog. It involves removing their voice box thru surgery. Very much comparable to declawing, de-fanging, or de-meowing a cat would be. Its unusually cruel.
post #18 of 27
If people can't value the natural qualities of an animal they wish to have as a pet, may I suggest purchasing a stuffed animal. They require no maintenance, can fit around any lifestyle and make no complaints.
post #19 of 27
Actually, dingoes do bark. I've only seen it on one documentary which has been widely ignored. It was filmed on an island of the Australian coast where it is believed that the purest dingoes live. And they barked on film.

The ones in zoos and animal sancturies may not bark but they do howl, whimper and make other noises to communicate. Removing the voice box of these dingoes removes a vital tool to communicate with each other. This goes for ANY animal.
post #20 of 27
Other than neutering, I don't hold with altering an animal, to suit a human's whims. Cropping ears, docking tails, debarking or declawing are needless procedures, wholly unecessary to the animal's well-being.
post #21 of 27
Ok I didn't know it harmed the dog - I'm sory if I offended anyone as I said I think it's disgusting.

I'm not saying that it is right but even If I thought de-barking was a good idea, I could still voice my opinion! Hence this forum!
post #22 of 27
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Originally posted by WellingtonCats
Ok I didn't know it harmed the dog - I'm sory if I offended anyone as I said I think it's disgusting.

I'm not saying that it is right but even If I thought de-barking was a good idea, I could still voice my opinion! Hence this forum!
Sam, yes, you have every right to voice your opinion in this forum. After all, that's what it's here for. But it's also here for discussion of the topics. So, when you voice your opinion some people may disagree. I don't think you offended anyone and it seems like you didn't know the whole story (de-barking harming the dog). We were just trying to point out why it does harm dogs.
post #23 of 27
I think it is HORRIBLE. Cat have claws, dogs bark. There is actually a breed that doesn't bark. I can't remember what it is right now but if you want a non barking dog get one of those. I think it is horrible and curel. maybe even worse then declawing. My dogs always let us know when someone is in the yard and when they bark it is normally for good reason. It also lets me no when the outside cats are close to the house so then I can go out and feed them.
post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 
De-barking....

I really can't think of a situation where it is absolutely necessary.
I'm pretty sure that our neighbours dog has been de-barked... I mean, i think that in their case they were taking the easy way out. And i absolutely disagree with the concept of de-barking.
I'd be interested to get an opinion from a vet though... I'd like to hear their side of the argument.
post #25 of 27
A barking dog is both a burglar alarm and burglar deterrent. The dogs are cheaper and easier to maintain than an alarm system and I don't have to remember another password. Bark on, Ike and Pearl!
post #26 of 27
That is just horrible, what would they do if their children cry, cut their vocal cords too . I really can't believe that such a mutilation is allowed, but then again until recently I didn't know exactly how horrible declawing was, I just thought it was mean in case they got out they couldn't defend themselves. I even printed out an article about it from Kitty Angles to throw at people who say it doesn't hurt them.
post #27 of 27
Inhumane. Period. We humans think only of our "convenience". Aren't we disgusting creatures?
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