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post #61 of 291
7/29/10 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
why do you all feel the need to tell us non believers that we need to believe to be saved what a load of clap trap

if to be christian is to be intolerant of your friends family and loved ones i really want no part

if i thought someone was praying for me to be saved because i didnt believe i would be upset especially if i thought it was my partner
How do you define being intolerant. We love our family, friends, husbands, children and are tolerant of them whether they are saved or not. We realize everyone can make their own decision of whether or not to be saved, and for those who decide not to, we still love them and respect their individuality and right to choice of what they do in their lives. But we will always pray for them.
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post #62 of 291
7/29/10 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
How do you define being intolerant. We love our family, friends, husbands, children and are tolerant of them whether they are saved or not.
if you read back through some of the posts in this thread its just bad that people feel the need to save us

and intolerant meaning some christians dont like some peoples life styles

I watched something very interesting a Muslim preacher (excuse my ignorance one who is what when it comes to religion) and they do not dismiss other religions the way christians do they say there is only one god and think there should be no other religions where as this Muslim leader agreed that everyone was right all the gods were one god just different names
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post #63 of 291
7/29/10 at 9:47am
I agree- why is it that when you disagree with something you know is wrong and you point it out, you are automatically labled as "intolerant" or "racist" or any other name?

Why should it be acceptable for any one to do any thing and everyone has to accept that. How hard is it to understand that Christians love the sinner but hate the sin? What part of that don't you get?

Just because I hate homosexuality or gay marriage does not make me "intolerant" - I never said I hated the person practicing that - I hate what they are doing.

Would you say a person is intolerant if they hated a murderer? No - you hate the murder, but not the person. How hard is it to apply?
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post #64 of 291
7/29/10 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
where as this Muslim leader agreed that everyone was right all the gods were one god just different names

If that were true then why would God give the 1st Commandment as "There shall be no other gods before me"?????

There is only one God.
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post #65 of 291
7/29/10 at 10:02am
again why do you feel the need to change us?

ok so you arent intolerant your just a homophobic which i have a problem with that really gets my back up actually i have a problem with people trying to change me

can you really sit there and tell me you live your life down to the last letter of the bible
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post #66 of 291
7/29/10 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
again why do you feel the need to change us?

ok so you arent intolerant your just a homophobic which i have a problem with that really gets my back up actually i have a problem with people trying to change me

can you really sit there and tell me you live your life down to the last letter of the bible
Christians never claim to be perfect, just forgiven. They just recognize they are sinners and that is why they need Jesus.

Jesus left a great commission for his followers, the Christians. He tells them in the Bible to preach and teach the Bible to all the world. It is part of what we believe.
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post #67 of 291
7/29/10 at 10:34am
There are some Christians that think they can change people. But a true Christian knows he can't - all he needs to do is share the gospel of Jesus with the person. Then its up to the person to take that and do what they choose.

If they choose to follow Jesus and learn more, they will. If they choose to reject it all - its their choice too.

In the end every one of us is held accountable of what you did and what you believe (or not believe). Even the atheist will be judged by the God they don't believe in After all, God believes in the atheist because he created him when he was born.
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post #68 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:09am
so thats how you justify your homophobia because god says it is ok to do so

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I freely accept what you are saying i dont agree with it i will not participate in this thread any more
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post #69 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
why do you all feel the need to tell us non believers that we need to believe to be saved what a load of clap trap


if to be christian is to be intolerant of your friends family and loved ones i really want no part
It's not.

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if i thought someone was praying for me to be saved because i didnt believe i would be upset especially if i thought it was my partner
Thank God that my husband doesn't feel that way.

I pray for the salvation of others out of love. I pray for the homeless looking stranger walking down the street. I may pray for him to be saved and I may pray for him to not hurt, if he looks like he is in pain.

I pray for people on this site. I can't give "vibes" when requested. I feel like it's cutting God out of the loop, so I pray.

You know, sometimes it's the non-Christian who is intolerant.
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post #70 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
Beautifully spoken. There is no point in debating. Christians know and are convinced what they believe in. There will always be those trying to disprove what the Bible says. You can watch it regularly on the History Channel. Also, there are still some who will recognize that they need what it is they see in Christians that makes them different. When the last one that is ever going to accepts Jesus in his heart, then this world as we know it will end. That is what the Bible says, and I believe it.
Who's debating? I'm just asking questions that no one seems to be able to answer.
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post #71 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
Christians never claim to be perfect, just forgiven.
So, ultimately, they can do no wrong?
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post #72 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:45am
Who says anything about being homophobic? Where did you get that from. Just because I'm against it as a practice, doesn't mean I'm against the person or being mean. Why should I say "its ok" when IMO its not. I can still be friends with a person that claims they are gay (and I do have gay friends) but doesn't mean I have to accept what they are doing.

Stop twisting things around.
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post #73 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Why should it be acceptable for any one to do any thing and everyone has to accept that. How hard is it to understand that Christians love the sinner but hate the sin? What part of that don't you get?
That's quote isn't Christian! They stole that from Gandhi.
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post #74 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
What a beautiful post. It is wrong to lump all Christians into a category as being intolerant. I have people who are my friends who have drug problems, alcohol problems, adultery problems, some homosexuals and other things going on in their lives. I just love them and try to be there for them when they need a friend. Do I agree with their choices. No, because I see how unhappy they are. Do I love them anyway. Yes, very much. People don't have to live their lives by my standards for me to be their friend and love them. But I don't have to compromise my beliefs either to be their friend.
STILL trying to find where this has happened.
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post #75 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
I agree- why is it that when you disagree with something you know is wrong and you point it out, you are automatically labled as "intolerant" or "racist" or any other name?

Why should it be acceptable for any one to do any thing and everyone has to accept that. How hard is it to understand that Christians love the sinner but hate the sin? What part of that don't you get?

Just because I hate homosexuality or gay marriage does not make me "intolerant" - I never said I hated the person practicing that - I hate what they are doing.

Would you say a person is intolerant if they hated a murderer? No - you hate the murder, but not the person. How hard is it to apply?
It's fine to disagree. But when an entire political campaign to smear a group of people is conducted based on a religious belief, that belief is being imposed on that group of people. And THAT, is intolerant.
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post #76 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
If that were true then why would God give the 1st Commandment as "There shall be no other gods before me"?????

There is only one God.
Because that particular God is one of the really egocentric ones?
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post #77 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
So, ultimately, they can do no wrong?
Oh, yes, they do wrong, but they are forgiven because they have accepted Jesus. Their sins are covered by his blood. We just strive to be Christ - like but nobody will be perfect on this earth. He is the only one who was without sin.
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post #78 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Who says anything about being homophobic? Where did you get that from. Just because I'm against it as a practice, doesn't mean I'm against the person or being mean. Why should I say "its ok" when IMO its not. I can still be friends with a person that claims they are gay (and I do have gay friends) but doesn't mean I have to accept what they are doing.

Stop twisting things around.
It's not being twisted actually. You kind of said it right here;

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Just because I hate homosexuality or gay marriage does not make me "intolerant" - I never said I hated the person practicing that - I hate what they are doing.
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post #79 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
STILL trying to find where this has happened.
I think the quote below is what "It is wrong to lump all Christians into a category as being intolerant." is addressing. I took it the same way but didn't comment on it.

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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
why do you all feel the need to tell us non believers that we need to believe to be saved what a load of clap trap

if to be christian is to be intolerant of your friends family and loved ones i really want no part

if i thought someone was praying for me to be saved because i didnt believe i would be upset especially if i thought it was my partner


And as for debating...I wasn't referring to this place specifically, just in general. I apologize if it came out that way. It's just that sometimes when people say they're just asking questions, they do so in a way to try and argue a point they want to make, instead of genuinely wondering what the answer is. *shrug*
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post #80 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
Oh, yes, they do wrong, but they are forgiven because they have accepted Jesus. Their sins are covered by his blood. We just strive to be Christ - like but nobody will be perfect on this earth. He is the only one who was without sin.
So, ULTIMATELY, they can do no wrong?
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post #81 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Who's debating? I'm just asking questions that no one seems to be able to answer.
I was quoting the poster of post number 55 who said she never tried to be part of anything that debates the rules of her religion.
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post #82 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
So, ULTIMATELY, they can do no wrong?
I'm going to bite....

Sure they can...they can reject Jesus!

(This opinion is based on the Christian faith and may hold no meaning to those that wish not to practice the Christian faith.)

But in all honesty...do you really want to know, or are you trying to make a point?
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post #83 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by emrldsky View Post
I think the quote below is what "It is wrong to lump all Christians into a category as being intolerant." is addressing. I took it the same way but didn't comment on it.
Ah, I see. I took the "if" to be a qualifier, but you may very well be right.
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post #84 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:55am
I see the intolerance when I drive by the protesters surrounding a Planned Parenthood clinic every day on my way to work.

I see more of it when I see two girls who wanted to go to the Prom together being called 'evil' on this website.

I see it when George HW Bush say's people who aren't Christians aren't really Americans.

I see it when I'm told that because I don't believe in a traditional religion I must not have any 'moral compass.' Oddly I've never killed or stolen and don't act like a sociopath despite the fact that I don't believe in some supernatural retribution.

I see it when I can't use the expression "Oh Christ".

I see it when people say America is a Christian nation.
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post #85 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by emrldsky View Post
I'm going to bite....

Sure they can...they can reject Jesus!

(This opinion is based on the Christian faith and may hold no meaning to those that wish not to practice the Christian faith.)

But in all honesty...do you really want to know, or are you trying to make a point?
But if they reject Jesus, then they're not Christians and the statement no longer applies.

So, it would appear that the idea is, if a Christian chooses to be intolerant, hate filled, shyster, shylock and thief, as long as they believe, it all works out in their favor in the end?
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post #86 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
So, ULTIMATELY, they can do no wrong?
Christians will be held accountable. It is all there in the Bible. When someone becomes a Christian they do the best they can to live their lives based on Biblical teachings. Sometimes we fall short and we have to ask for forgiveness. Deliberate sinning is a whole other topic.
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post #87 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:59am
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I see the intolerance when I drive by the protesters surrounding a Planned Parenthood clinic every day on my way to work.

I see more of it when I see two girls who wanted to go to the Prom together being called 'evil' on this website.

I see it when George HW Bush say's people who aren't Christians aren't really Americans.

I see it when I'm told that because I don't believe in a traditional religion I must not have any 'moral compass.' Oddly I've never killed or stolen and don't act like a sociopath despite the fact that I don't believe in some supernatural retribution.

I see it when I can't use the expression "Oh Christ".

I see it when people say America is a Christian nation.
Welcome to IMO Dave!!
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post #88 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:59am
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I see the intolerance when I drive by the protesters surrounding a Planned Parenthood clinic every day on my way to work.

I see more of it when I see two girls who wanted to go to the Prom together being called 'evil' on this website.

I see it when George HW Bush say's people who aren't Christians aren't really Americans.

I see it when I'm told that because I don't believe in a traditional religion I must not have any 'moral compass.' Oddly I've never killed or stolen and don't act like a sociopath despite the fact that I don't believe in some supernatural retribution.

I see it when I can't use the expression "Oh Christ".

I see it when people say America is a Christian nation.
And I find it unfortunate that those examples are what people think of when they think of Christians.

But I see intolerance whenever I see the look on a non-believer's face whenever religion comes up and I say I'm a Christian. How is it any more right for them to judge me based on those examples than it is for me to judge others for the stereotypes and bad examples provided by others of whatever group they belong to?
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post #89 of 291
7/29/10 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
That's quote isn't Christian! They stole that from Gandhi.
Prove it. I have always been taught love the sinner and hate the sin.
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post #90 of 291
7/29/10 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by emrldsky View Post
It's just that sometimes when people say they're just asking questions, they do so in a way to try and argue a point they want to make, instead of genuinely wondering what the answer is. *shrug*
Well said......................
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