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post #1 of 15
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Im a little curious as to what you all think about this. My question is what actually is considered an OTC flea drop medication?

The reason I ask this is because there is alot of flack handed out by people using products like Hartz, Segeants, Adams, Biospot etc. Ive been doing a lot of research into figuring out if its better to flea drop the dogs and cats or just keep doing what has worked for me. Once a month baths for the cats and weekly baths for the dogs. I personally have used just about every kind of flea drops available (except Hartz and some new ones that just cropped up like Liberty 50). I also noticed that while you can get Frontline, Advantix from the vet you can also get those at a store too, like Tractor Supply. So arent those brands technically over the counter brands because you can get them at a store. I also noticed that after comparing ingrediants Biospot which is much cheaper than Frontline and Advantix has the same ingrediants so wouldnt that make it just as good as those brands just cheaper? I looked up the websites that have customer testimonials about almost every brand of flea medication from Hartz to Revolution with atleast one person stating for every brand that it has killed or made their pet sick. It really is all baffling to me because I prefer to not use this stuff, I just wanted to see what was what. Now Id like to know what you all think about this, I know there is a difference between cat and dog flea meds and that one of the meds (I cant remember which) is toxic for cats. But what do you think classifies otc flea meds??? Is Frontline and Advantix considered bad because technically its otc???
post #2 of 15
I don't like the blanket statement that is so often made, "never use otc flea meds", for that very reason. Frontline and Advantage ARE otc meds, and, IMO, are the two safest flea meds around. It used to be harder to find them at a store, though. Most people would buy them from a vet.

I just want to note, though - Advantage is a very safe product for both dogs and cats, but AdvanTIX (what you wrote in your post) is for dogs only, not safe for cats.

It can be very easy to get confused about what's safe and what isn't, so I do appreciate the general advice being to get flea meds from your vet.
post #3 of 15
The biggest difference is the safety factor ... the former RX flea and tick controls under went alot of testing, prior to being marketed the hartz and general OTC have not... the same drugs may be used but usually different doses .... In my very brief studing I noticed most OTC have much higher % s of the drugs than the RX or former Rxs ...

I use a all natural remedy that was okayed by my vet...it is very much OTC but the research showed it was much safer with less side effects
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
I use a all natural remedy that was okayed by my vet...it is very much OTC but the research showed it was much safer with less side effects
What do you use, sharky? I've looked into natural flea remedies a bit, but almost found them to be questionable in either safety or effectiveness - if there's a good one out there, I might want to try it.
post #5 of 15
of course run it by your vet and this is not a viable option in areas with Heavy flea issues...

de flea
post #6 of 15
For every differnt problem, there is a different solution...

For us, Hartz OTC flea med, sold at the grocery store, did nothing at all. So i bought some frontline for our two indoor cats and it worked like a charm. Now we've gotten rid of all the fleas and started Advantage to maintain, and it's great and cheaper.

An OTC flea med is anything you can buy anywhere. While IMO, since the flea meds at a pet store are typically locked up and they will answer all your questions, it's a little different. That's the best I could think of : )
post #7 of 15
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Thanks for all your opinions. I basically felt the same way. I do use Biospot shampoo because of different things Ive read about it and no matter what meds I would use I feel that no matter what there is a certain risk you are taking with them. I personally would never use Hartz products, because they just dont work, nor would I use a product that Ive never looked information up on.

Another question probably a little stupid but I heard from someone that if you soak Black Walnut tree leaves in water and then bath your dog in it its a natural flea remedy...Anyone ever hear of that? Im not going to test it out for one I dont know what a black walnut tree is and Im not going to run around picking leaves off a tree to bath the dog LOL.
post #8 of 15
have not heard of that but my vet uses one clove of garlic a day for her dogs
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
my vet uses one clove of garlic a day for her dogs

My grandfather has a friend who makes treats for her dogs and she uses garlic for them. She said that the garlic keeps the fleas away.
post #10 of 15
The black walnut leaf wash is more like a flea dip. It works because of the tannic acid and a few other chemicals in the leaves (and bark) of the tree. Using it will kill the fleas already on the dog, and maybe some of the eggs and larvae, but it won't prevent them from coming back. It also works for chiggers, lice, and a few other types of mite-type creatures.

It would work as a temp fix if you happened to have a black walnut tree in your yard, and it might be a good solution for pups too young for flea meds, or a sick animal, but otherwise it's not an ideal solution. The outer hulls of the black walnuts themselves would proabably be a better source than the leaves.

Just my two cents worth, since I study herbal lore.
post #11 of 15
OTC products are bought in stores such as walmart, supermarket, etc. Advantage and Frontline are a crossover - used to be a prescription, and now can be bought on pet stores - they are not true OTC. Then there are the prescription only, such as Revolution, Advantage Multi and such...
As Sharky pointed out, the products that used to be prescription went through a lot of research before and after hitting the market, and still have full support behind it.
Also do not forget that when products are mass produced to go into the mass OTC market like walmart and supermarket, the quality of the ingredients and their source and even quality control will usually drop quite a bit to hit that low price point. There is no magic - you can drop the price at production only to a certain point based on volume, but to drop that much, you will have to compromise quality.
Remember the recall in 2007 because of melamine in the wheat gluten coming from China? That Wheat Gluten was imported from China only to cut costs... That single location in China supplied cheap Wheat Gluten, and companies trying to cut costs got it.
This happens much more often in mass market production when the giants require a heavily discounted price to take the product in...
IMO it is a small price to pay to get known no-OTC brands to our kiddos.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
have not heard of that but my vet uses one clove of garlic a day for her dogs
Garlic in small doses might be OK for dogs but cats are more susceptible to developing Heinz body anaemia from onions/garlic. So I hope anyone who gets any ideas from this post will run it by their vet first.
post #13 of 15
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Garlic in small doses might be OK for dogs but cats are more susceptible to developing Heinz body anaemia from onions/garlic. So I hope anyone who gets any ideas from this post will run it by their vet first.
Yeah DOG is the key.. please NO one try this for a cat...
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by 3CatsN1Dog View Post
I also noticed that after comparing ingrediants Biospot which is much cheaper than Frontline and Advantix has the same ingrediants so wouldnt that make it just as good as those brands just cheaper?
Biospot (the spot-on) doesn't have the same ingredients as Frontline or Advantage....not even close. Unless there's a different kind you're talking about. Dog Biospot has permethrin & methoprene, cat Biospot has methoprene & etofenprox (a synthetic permethrin). Frontline is fipronil and Advantage is imidacloprid. Advantix is imidacloprid & permethrin.....but as stated, Advantix is very toxic to cats; you can't even use it on your dog if your cat is ever near your dog without risking poisoning the cat.

There have been many cases of cats being poisoned by permethrins and other insecticides. Dogs are less sensitive.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post
Biospot (the spot-on) doesn't have the same ingredients as Frontline or Advantage....not even close. Unless there's a different kind you're talking about. Dog Biospot has permethrin & methoprene, cat Biospot has methoprene & etofenprox (a synthetic permethrin). Frontline is fipronil and Advantage is imidacloprid. Advantix is imidacloprid & permethrin.....but as stated, Advantix is very toxic to cats; you can't even use it on your dog if your cat is ever near your dog without risking poisoning the cat.

There have been many cases of cats being poisoned by permethrins and other insecticides. Dogs are less sensitive.
I misread my Fosters and Smith catalog...Biospot does have the same ingredient as Advantix but not Frontline..All those small words and typing blurs together and makes my eyes hurt..

I was mostly just curious I dont use drops most of the time and I prefer to avoid them at all times unless I absolutely HAVE to use them. The whole reason I even started this was because after reading the info in Fosters and Smith it just got me wondering. Mostly about what actually classifies OTC, especially since its more common now to be able to purchase Frontline, Advantage, or Advantix at a store. I would never tell anyone to run out and get Hartz or anything like that and Id def tell them to research the stuff before buying it. Its my personal preferance to not use drops. I prefer bathing the dogs with Biospot shampoo every 6 wks because I think Biospot works, I just dont like drops. I also bath the cats as a preventative but Ive cut back from once a month to every 6 weeks. But at the same time I dont have a major worry about fleas, and thats because inadvertantly my yard gets treated with stuff that kills bugs. If I had to get drops and use them Id probably use either Frontline or Revolution but thankfully I havent had the need to use them alot, if we moved Id probably start a savings account just for flea meds for all 5 pets.
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