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post #1 of 13
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I have 7 cats. I had two, and my fiance moved in with her two. Then a family friend was tragically killed in a motorcycle accident, so we fostered his cat, who we then found out was pregnant. She had 5 kittens, and we were only able to place three. So now we also have momma and her two remaining kittens. Anyway, Hobbs, my 10 year old male has started peeing all over the dang house, and its only a matter of time before the other 6 have the same idea. Hobbs is healthy, having a perfect senior panel just a few months ago. I have had to keep him in my bedroom, because that is the only place he wont soil, and he has to use the littler pan there. But when I want to let him stretch his legs elsewhere, he goes right to his spots.

I have tried products such as Feliway, and nothing works. So now Im thinking of possibly trying to potty train him (and the others). This would not only solve the Hobbs problem, but also the smell problem from rocking 3 litter pans, and the expense of all that litter. Has anybody tried this with success? Any thoughts about this? I have seen websites that advertise their potty training system, but I guess I am skeptical.

Also has anybody tried cat diapers? I would be concerned that although it might keep him from peeing all over the house, his bowel movements could be affected: I mean how would we know when he needed to poop? Doesnt seem to be a great idea.

Any and all comments/suggestions are welcome. Thanks!!!!
post #2 of 13
How long ago is a few months ago? And have you discussed this with a vet? You must rule out a health problem otherwise the resulting behavioral problem will never be resolved. Even if the vet can't find anything, try a urinary food if he can eat it.

I wouldn't try diapers in a cat that still has normal bowel and bladder control. You might make Hobbs decided to hold it and then you would have urinary tract problems or worse to deal with.

Some on here have potty trained their cats. It doesn't seem that easy and certainly not when a cat isn't even using a litter box.

One thing you MUST do. 7 cats need more than 3 litter boxes. I have 7 cats, too. I know how much poop and pee that is a day. You need at least 6 or 7 boxes, more if you can fit them.
I know it's a pain in the butt, but 7 cats means a lot of compromise. We have a box in our bedroom and one in the hallway - it means that sometimes we smell a kitty pooping while we're in bed and have to step on litter in the hallway. We live, though.

You may have to contain Hobbs to one room for a while to retrain him to using a litter box. What sort of things is he peeing on in the house? How are you cleaning them? Any carpet soiled?
post #3 of 13
Get him back to the vet pronto. Have them do a urine draw on him. He is stressed because of the all the recent additions. Stress quickly leads to bad health issues. The kidney's and stress are often closely related. A needle draw of urine is the most accurate way to diagnose the problem. Rule that out first before you go looking elsewhere.
post #4 of 13
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Strangewings: I was wondering about the # of litter boxes we had, and whether that was enough. They fill those three up quickly!

Hobbs pees on: carpet; the stove top; in things like my fiance's make up case or her pocketbook (lovely); on my bathroom counter, on plastic bags. For the carpet we clean with bleach/water mix, and various urine odor products. I may have to keep him in that one room, though my fiance says it will make him depressed to be quarantined that way. I dunno. He started this about 4-5 months ago I think.

Hissy: I agree that the 3 new cats are stressing him out. They came within the past year. The first 4 get along fine, but Hobbs hates the last three no matter how many times they see each other. Plus Marley (momma cat) is very territorial and is always playing alpha cat with Hobbs and the other first three. I guess it's back to the vet.
post #5 of 13
Back to the vet, back to the vet, back to the vet... they say the third time is the charm, so that's why I repeated . The senior panel will not show you an Urinary Tract Infection, and three months ago is a looooooong time for that to happen. An UTI can happen any day, out of the blue, and it can be dangerous - especially in male cats, as if he has crystal on the top of it, he can get blocked, and die. Yep, sorry for the drama, but it can get that serious...
Cats don't just start peeing outside of the box like that - the main reason is usually a medical one, then not liking the litterbox or the litter itself (and that is the number of box, cleanliness, scent, texture, location, etc.), then stress...

You must have one box for each cat... Also, what type of box are you using? Where are they located? If they are covered, take the tops off. Many cats don't like scented litter - use unscented litter. Cat Attract Litter will do a great job in attracting him back to the litter box - there is an great guide inside of it with a lot of good information as well. HIGHLY recommend it.
If the boxes are inside of closets, remove it. Laundry room, or rooms with water heaters or anything noisy is bad too, as it can startle the cat...
Good places are on back or rooms or hallways where they can see the room, and they don't feel trapped.
Make sure to use a good enzyme cleaner to clean the spots he pees on - bleach is no good - there are cats that actually like the scent and will pee right on it.
I only trust two Brands: Nok-out, and Anti-icky-Poo. Don't just spray a little on it, really soak the area...
I hope you get this solved... This sounds to me like he might have an UTI...
post #6 of 13
If he's gotten to spots on the carpet several times your best bet is to pull the carpet back in those areas and check the pad (it'll probably reek of urine) - if it's nasty you need to replace the padding. Two reasons for this 1) it's hard to get urine out of what is essentially a sponge and 2) it's probably started breaking down the pad itself. When the pad breaks down it can mess up the floor below and make the carpet look weird.

Depending on the flooring underneath, paint or seal it after treating it with the enzyme cleaner. If hardwood treat more carefully.

By doing it this way you can completely saturate the pulled back carpet with the enzyme cleaner and it should dry pretty quickly.
post #7 of 13
7 cats, 3 litter boxes is definitely not enough. When behaviors such as urinating on stove tops, counters, areas that are high ground and obviously unnatural are extreme signs of stress and threat from the other cats.
I hate to say this but you should consider re homing the most recent kitties, no one is happy living like this, especially your cats.
post #8 of 13
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Carolina: I use oversized plastic storage containers: about 1 1/2 size of a large litter pan. They are always uncovered, and kept in my bedroom, a spare bedroom, and the mud room downstairs. I will have to add to their number. Ill try to find some of that litter you recommend. Right now we use Tidy Cat, and sometimes Arm and Hammer litter. Ive used Nok-Out before to no avail, but Ill try Anti-icky-Poo, if I can find it.

Strange_wings: I dread having to go through that again, but I guess it will be necessary. In my other home in NY I wound up having to replace carpets every 2-3 years, and sometimes floor sheathing from cat accidents.

Cheylink: I tried like heck to place all three of them after Marley had her litter. Now I couldnt separate the 2 brothers, who are a year old. I guess if I knew of a real solid home, perhaps. But my fiance is really attached to them (as am I). But really I didnt want 7 cats; it sort of just happened. I just would never consider giving them to just anybody at this point. I would have to know the people to be sure they would be treated well.

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions
post #9 of 13
First of all, thank you so so much for being open for receiving help... Yeah, definitely look for Cat Attract Litter - it does an amazing job...

But the first thing you need to do, really, is to take your boy to the vet to rule out an UTI... That needs to be done ASAP.

I buy Anti-Icky-Poo by the gallon at Amazon - here is the link. I am glad you use the storage containers for the litterboxes - IMO those make the best ones!
post #10 of 13
Hopefully you don't have to replace the carpet, it can be cleaned a lot easier. Though, rather than replacing carpet with more carpet if you ever decide to go down that path - consider tile, laminate, or wood. Easier to clean up and healthier.

Can you stash a couple boxes in the living room and maybe add another box in the spare bedroom or mud room? Even side by side boxes will work as it will give cats more choice and space.
post #11 of 13
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Carolina: Well I appreciate the help and suggestions. Since I have been a member, this is the first place I go to get questions answered! Ill look on Amazon. Thx for the link. Hobbs will visit the vet on Monday. He's so pathetic crying to get out of the bedroom, like he is in the "hole" in prison. Tugs at my heart.

Strangewings: This carpet might be on the way out anyway. Its about three years old, and even though me and my intended keep up with cleaning all the "yak" spots, it may have seen better days. In my NY house I eventually changed to no carpet in the house, because I had three cats and two dogs. But I really like carpet, so I might have to just deal with the downside of it. I think another box in each room where they already are would help. I want to have a couple of spots in the house where the wonderful aroma of used cat litter is not there

Thanks again.
post #12 of 13
Amazing how you are blowing off all the suggestions that this could be a health issue. Please call your vet and get your cat in to be tested. That is the first step when this type of situation occurs. Once you have ruled out the health issue, then you put your detective hat on and try to figure out why the inappropriate peeing issues are happening.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by hissy View Post
Amazing how you are blowing off all the suggestions that this could be a health issue. Please call your vet and get your cat in to be tested. That is the first step when this type of situation occurs. Once you have ruled out the health issue, then you put your detective hat on and try to figure out why the inappropriate peeing issues are happening.
Thanks Hissy, but truly the health issue is first on my mind Pls look at my post above: "Hobbs will visit the vet on Monday". I appreciate y'all looking out for Hobbs!
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