9-11/Pentagon

I think in some part that it happened due to our own aggressiveness as a nation. How many people in life want to take out the 'top dog'. To some nations we are viewed as a threat and they may feel that them taking the offense is their best defense. In no way shape or form though do I blame our military, goverment, country as a whole though. Am I satisfied with what the goverments explanation etc.....Not really because in a whole Im not that satisfied with our goverment. I feel that we need improvements in a lot of areas and that our goverment officials need to stop placating and tell the truth not just tell us what they think the majority want to hear. Id rather be upset by the truth than happy because of a lie.

Personally I know im a Brit but I dont think anyone will be told the full truth abot 9-11. Mainly because i cant get my head around how the two towers just happened to collapse the way they did, i watched an amazing documentary (conspiracy one) on 9-11 showing how it looks as if there were charges "planted" that dropped the towers

what i dont understand was the pentagon and the plane that crashed into the field....there was no body parts or bits of plane found

but i also dont believe that 2 plane full of people just decided that they would hide for the rest of their lives with no contact with family and friends

You guys over there probably got a lot more info on it than what we did here, i tend to over think things and come up with about 4 different posibilites for everything

AJ, I recently saw a show on Discovery where they took the Loose Change documentary, many of the theorists behind it, and tried to replicate those theories, and they were unable to do so. However, they WERE able to replicate many aspects of the story told by the media.

I also found it fascinating that the show relied quite a bit on the Purdue visualization that was finished in 2007: http://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2007a/0...ffmannWTC.html

To the OP...I've seen the conspiracy movies, I've seen the media footage, but what still sits with me the MOST, is actually watching the news that morning, in my dorm room, and seeing the second plane hit the tower, and then watching the buildings collapse later on. I was GLUED to the TV that day. All of my professors and TAs sent out emails stating that they felt it was optional to attend classes that day, due to the tragedy.

Do I believe the story that terrorists did it? In a heartbeat.

But don't ask my dad about the OK bombing...THAT, he believes, was our own government.

Ill ask blaine tonight what the one was that we watched.....it really made you think

i dont question that terrorists flew the planes into the towers i dont doubt that for a second

I dont doubt terrorists did it either, but it almost makes you wonder why...what was done that the public doesnt know about to cause something like this to happen. Cause and Effect.

The only reason that 9-11 happened is that Bin Laden is evil on earth with tons of money. Him and his followers want us all dead so they can apply their Shira (sp) law throughout the world.

No charges in the towers. The fires were so hot they melted the steel beams, that is why they fell.

Few bodies because they were vaporized. When a plane hits the ground at 500 mph in Pa. there is not much to pick up.

As to why they hate us, it is because we are alive. No more, no less.

plenty other planes have crashed at high speeds and there has been remains of both plane and person

So what are you saying? There were remains of plane and people, just not in very large pieces. I have been to Shanksville, Pa. I have seen the photos taken just after the crash, when the firemen got there.

Just a lot of small debris and smoke and a huge crater where the plane hit. They worked for weeks in that crater, taking out minute pieces of human remains.

I am confused as to your thoughts on this. We know someone who was outside when the plane flew over his land....it was going at a extremely high rate of speed. The human body is a fragile thing. Why would there be much to pick up?

Like i said not all of it was reported to us and a lot of different theories on the whole thing

No - I've watched a lot of the videos from different angles. No way do I believe the planes brought them down by themselves. In some videos it was clear that a "demolition" effect of explosions were set off - maybe triggered by the plane, but they were set in the buildings.

I don't think we really will know the truth of 9/11 as well as the truth behind the Kennedy assisinations.

Honestly, why in the name of God, would there be explosives in our buildings?

I think huge airliners, with full gas tanks, slamming into skyscrapers would make them fall. Just my opinion.

There are some things that are suspicious about it. Do you know that all of the security videos from nearby are missing the exact same time? The excuse used is that they were all changing their tapes at the same time. I believe there's just some details there that haven't and won't be made public - but not that the government actually did it.

I also believe that there was probably some inkling in advance that 9-11 was going to happen and precautions weren't taken to stop it - whether intentionally or not, who knows.

I agree with you.

Thank you. It is what it is. Terrorism. Born and bred in the sands of Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.

Yea, there were things that were missed. Such as radical muslims taking flight lessons, but not bothering to pay much attention on how to land....

The Cole bombing. The marine barracks bombing. All precursors to 9/11. With each success, they became more emboldend. Until the ultimate happened that September morning.

No one would deliberately set explosive charges in the towers. How did they do it? Who did it? Why? When?

Impossible.

Nothing is "impossible" when it comes to the government. You honestly think the government doesn't have its secrets? There is just too many weird things to blame it all on just a terrorist in a plane.

its not impossible they could of been there since it was built for any number of reasons

While I believe that terrorist did it, I also wonder why. Not just because Bin Laden is evil I dont doubt that but what else happened to cause someone him or anyone else to decide to hijack planes and put them into the WTCs, pentagon, and in Pa. I actually felt the plane hit in Pa it literally felt like an earthquake in my house. I saw the Pentagon in the middle of rebuilding the summer after 9/11 happened. It was freaky, beyond freaky. But there are just too many secrets, too many things that dont add up in the whole situation. I just cant help but wonder what was done to cause this massive of a retaliation to happen. And if there were murmurs of something like this happening why in the world didnt the goverment do anything to try and stop it. Why did flying have to become a million times more complicated and annoying after 9/11 rather than beforehand. What is wrong with taking extra precaution rather than waiting for something to happen. There is one thing for sure, none of us will ever know what really happened what the real story is. It will go down a big covered secret, like JFKs assasination, Area 51 so on and so forth.

Again, why? I stand by my statement. Impossible.

I don't wonder why it happened at all.

It was a well planned and executed terrorist attack. In the years following, there has been the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the bombings in UK and Spain. Why is it so inconceiveable that it happened the way they say?

I am not a fan of the government as you can see in other posts. But I will not cross that line into "conspiracy".

The buildings were not planted with explosives when they were built. Fuel was dripping down the towers after the planes hit. What you saw was subsequent explosions when it came into contact with electricity.

Again, my question still stands.....why? who?

The fuel will of burnt off with the explosion not dripped down the towers...if it did drip then the flames from the fire from intial impact would of followed the accelerant

and if that was the case why did another building just happen to collpase that wasnt hit?

If charges were built into the towers as built they wont be on any plans would they....

again not doubting it was a terroist attack at all


oh and Who? maybe the president at the time the towers were built and why? to protect sensitive data there fore to protect the country if terrorists ever tried to take control

That makes no sense. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I enjoy the back and forth tho. Still friends?

Of course

its just great to be listened to and actually have a discussion in here

Yeppers. My sentiments exactly.

Folks, this has all been gone over with a fine-tooth comb, and what you saw was what it is. Two airplanes hit two towers, and the tons of fuel on them burned hot enough to weaken the superstructure. There were plenty of body parts found in the Pentagon. There is no mystery here.

Just because someone says, "No body parts were found," doesn't make it true.

By the way, I know the owner of the Shanksville property.

9/11 Myths Debunked

I completely agree with mrblanche. There are probably some little details not released, but that's a part of any investigation.

One little snippet that's often over looked is, there are earth metals (magnesium) and alloys (aluminum) that will burn with, shall we say, gusto, when ignited. Even steel wool will burn. So will sugar and coffee creamer actually. Those towers were full of materials that will burn, but were considered safe because of the extreme temperatures it takes to ignite them.

I agree with you. When I watched and reviewed the clips on the towers falling there was no doubt in my mind that they were brought down like buildings with set charges for demolition. We have a corrupt government who wants to place more restrictions on it's people at whatever the cost. After 911 the patriot act was signed, and then Homeland security came along. The patriot act gives the government more freedom to take away our rights as citizens. I would love to believe that we live in a nation that is not filled with greed and corruption. The pictures of the pentagon after 911 attack don't add up either.

It is so beautiful there. Such a contrast with the horror that happend. We went through there on our honeymoon. It was a must see for us.

Haunting, yet serene.

That's always a good link to post when this topic comes up, along with a recommendation to read The 9/11 Commission Report in its entirety, as it also answers a lot of questions the conspiracy theorists like to claim haven't been dealt with.

"Occam's razor" is usually a good principle to apply, so no, I don't believe the conspiracy theories either.

Ok, listen up folks there were NO charges placed in the towers. The heat from the burning fuel weakened the superstructure. The weakened steel could no long support the floors above it and the building collapsed on itself. Now true, it does look as if this was a controlled demo, but it was not. When the tons of weight from above slammed down on the floors below, they could not support the weight and each floor pancaked down on itself. Much like if you take a soda can and stomp on it from above. How do I know this is NOT a controlled demo? Well for starters, you do not just walk into a building and place explosives in a few areas and have no one see the detonation cord leading to all the explosives. These explosives have to be placed in precise exact locations, in order to weaken the structure and have it collapse into itself. Second, a controlled demo does not start from the top of the building. They usually start at the bottom and work to the top. Why did the other building next to the twin towers collapse?? Very easy. When the towers fell, there was enough force and vibrations on the buildings next to them, causing enough damage on these buildings, that made them fall. The towers did not fall straight down either. In some videos, you can see the top falling to the side. The towers' debris also fell outward, like peeling the skin on a banana. This debris crashed into the adjacent buildings. There was millions and millions of tons of debris slamming into those adjacent buildings. Why wouldn't those buildings collapse as well?? I am no fan of the government, but there is no conspiracy here. 911 was a well planned terrorist attack.