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HSUS at it again in OHIO to BAN exotic animal ownership!!!!

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Looks like HSUS is at it again in Ohio to get the ownership of exotic animals banned in my state Last November, Ohioans passed issue #2, a constitutional amendment TO CREATE THE OHIO LIVESTOCK CARE STANDARDS BOARD TO ESTABLISH AND IMPLEMENT STANDARDS OF CARE FOR LIVESTOCK AND POULTRY. You can read about it here http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/uploa...l_language.pdf
Well, HSUS being the cry babies that they are, did not like that Ohioans want to make our own decisions and decided to fight this again in November. However, now the Governor of Ohio, along with the Ohio farm bureau and stupid HSUS signed a deal. In short, this is what the deal is. HSUS will not fight this amendment if the Governor and the Farm Bureau agree to ban exotic animal onwership in Ohio!! What is wrong with this?? Well first, it is my RIGHT to own the animals I so choose and an outside group like HSUS has no right to tell me otherwise!! In addition, exotic animal groups in Ohio SUPPORTED the farm bureau last November to get issue #2 passed to get HSUS off their backs!! So what does the Farm Bureau do to thank us?? They throw us under the bus to get our animals banned, so HSUS will leave them alone!! You can read about it in brief here http://www.chillicothegazette.com/ap...ID=20107030314 For example, if HSUS isn't pleased with the progress on rules regarding wild and dangerous animals (big cats, bears, primates, alligators, venomous snakes, etc.) by Dec. 31, all bets could be off. The same thing goes for 2014, 2017 and beyond -- if HSUS isn't happy with the progress, then a ballot issue could be forthcoming.
So, here is what EVERYONE can do to help. Call the Ohio Farm Bureau 740-844-0278 and ask them why they sold fellow animal owners out to HSUS!! (I must note here, that the Farm Bureau or the Dept of Agriculture have NO control or say on exotic animals in Ohio. They are not livestock and they do not come under agriculture). I ask all Ohioans to contact Gov Stricklands Office, their state Representative and State Senator and ask them NOT to support this deal and that is is wrong for HSUS to force their agenda (The banning of exotic animal ownership) on Ohio's TAX PAYING citizens!! Please join me in this fight against the terrorist group known as HSUS. Yes, that is what they are. If The Gov and Farm Bureau do not go along with what HSUS wants (The banning of exotic animals in the state) then all bets are off and HSUS will be on the Farm Bureau's back again this fall. This just makes me sick and makes me wonder even more, as to why ANYONE would support HSUS!! This is unlike the previos ban bill we fought in Ohio a couple years ago. Unlike that bill, which had public hearings that allowed Ohio residents to voice their opinion about the bill, this deal will NOT go through the normal legislative process. In other words, this deal was signed behind closed doors without our say. Ohio residents may not even get their say on it at all. This is wrong in all ways. Do NOT support HSUS!!!!
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Oh no John! How will this affect you and your kits? Will they 'grandfather' you into any kind of program that will allow you to keep them? Will you be able to get a permit or something? I will certainly keep you and your exotic babies in my prayers.
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I would think you could be grandfathered in. Or will you have to be looking to move?
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Oh no John! How will this affect you and your kits? Will they 'grandfather' you into any kind of program that will allow you to keep them? Will you be able to get a permit or something? I will certainly keep you and your exotic babies in my prayers.
Well, we should be grandfathered in, but you just never know. Ohio is NOT going down without a fight, that is for darn sure.
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I would think you could be grandfathered in. Or will you have to be looking to move?
Well, if I did have to move, maybe I should file a lawsuit against HSUS for forcing this garbage on us. I am not affraid of HSUS or PETA. I, in fact, dare both Wayne and Ingrid, those 2 losers presidents, to come to my house and speak with me face to face. They would never do it, they are cowards, just as Ohio Governor Strickland is a coward. I want a Gov who is not affraid to stand up and say, HSUS go to H---!!!! I just do not understand the coward Gov and the cowards at the Ohio Farm Bureau. HSUS is NOT a government agency and has no control or authority whatsoever. Maybe I should run for Gov and let HSUS face me. I would have HSUS running away with their tails between their legs. You know, I have been saying this stuff for years on TCS and have been critcised by some as if I was making all this stuff up or blowing smoke out my butt, about the TRUTH behind the idiots at HSUS. Well, here it is, a big I told you so. Not to sound like an idiot, but how long will people continue to throw their money at this useless group known as HSUS. If I lose my animals because of these stupid jerks, I wonder how many will still give HSUS their money?? If I lose my cats because of HSUS, remember this. HSUS kills animals just like PETA does!!!! Wake up people!!
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Did you miss the "Animal Planet" thread in the lounge? (it was bad timing for you) There are still people on this very forum, even members who have been here for years that don't know how bad HSUS is or just don't want to admit they might have been wrong.

Dog and cat owners and farmers are almost always willing to toss the reptile and exotic owners to the AR - we deserve it because of a small handful of idiots, apparently. Only a few know better (such as breeders). It's sad that the farm bureau is doing this. I wonder who HSUS promised money to? Ultimately that's all HSUS uses their $192 million for, political gain like this. (and their own pensions)

There won't be anywhere or way you can move eventually.
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Did you miss the "Animal Planet" thread in the lounge? (it was bad timing for you) There are still people on this very forum, even members who have been here for years that don't know how bad HSUS is or just don't want to admit they might have been wrong.

Dog and cat owners and farmers are almost always willing to toss the reptile and exotic owners to the AR - we deserve it because of a small handful of idiots, apparently. Only a few know better (such as breeders). It's sad that the farm bureau is doing this. I wonder who HSUS promised money to? Ultimately that's all HSUS uses their $192 million for, political gain like this. (and their own pensions)

There won't be anywhere or way you can move eventually.
I didn't see the Animal Planet thread. I am happy to see you understand, I wish more people did. $192 million and HSUS does NOTHING to help animals in need. They use that money to shove their own agenda down everyones throat. I always hear the infamous "I don't believe anyone should own exotics, they belong in the wild" garbage. While I know everyone has a right to their opinion, just because someone may think it isn't right to own such animals, doesn't mean everyone has to bow down to these views. As long as you are responsible and the cares of the animals are met, there is nothing wrong at all, with sharing your life with a wild or so called "exotic" animal.
What also bothers me, is how people fear HSUS, as if they are the law. They are not the law and no one has to listen to them. Ohio and every state needs to tell HSUS to take a long and I mean very long walk, off a short pier. Does this mean I believe that animal abuse and people who abuse them should be allowed to do such horrible acts?? Heck no!! But banning ownership of animals is not a way to stop cruelty. Yes, animals raised for food also need to be kept in humane environments. But we do not need HSUS to tell us how to do this. Ohioans and everyone else can handle their own affairs. We just need much stiffer penalties for people who abuse or mistreat animals. I, an owner of big cats, is NOT an animal abuser.
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Here it is, it was pretty much just me looking like a freak in the thread only a couple others have any inkling what the channel does.

HSUS isn't law, but money is the ultimate power. Everyone has a price and they know that.
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Thanks for pointing me to the thread, I put my 2 cents worth in...well maybe more than 2 cents Sad, with the lack of response here, that I can tell most people still support HSUS and their elimination of pets agenda. At least I know there are some, who know and understand the TRUTH behind HSUS, PETA, API, ALF and the rest of the AR clan. We must continue to educate others before it is to late, but we are quickly reaching that "to late" status. To all who support HSUS. Look at the animals in my sig. If I lose them or worse, they get destroyed, you have only one thing to blame. Not me, not other exotic animal owners, but the damned HSUS morons!!!!
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Does this mean I believe that animal abuse and people who abuse them should be allowed to do such horrible acts?? Heck no!! But banning ownership of animals is not a way to stop cruelty. Yes, animals raised for food also need to be kept in humane environments. But we do not need HSUS to tell us how to do this. Ohioans and everyone else can handle their own affairs. We just need much stiffer penalties for people who abuse or mistreat animals. I, an owner of big cats, is NOT an animal abuser.
Well said. It's a shame that HSUS and Peta won't use their HUGE budgets and influence to fight cruelty. Instead they just try to take away people's rights. What they should be doing is helping make animal cruelty a felony in Ohio!
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I've never given any of my money to the animal welfare groups like HSUS or PETA. If I help out, its on a local basis knowing exactly where my money is going.

Keep us informed about this - and hey, maybe you SHOULD run for governor
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Sad, with the lack of response here, that I can tell most people still support HSUS and their elimination of pets agenda.
the lack of response is very sad, but IMHO it's because the topic isn't "entertaining" enough! Make it about celebrity scandal or Republican vs. Democrats & it'll soon be a "multi-pager" ...... Apathy is alive & well in the USA.

I, for one, do not support the banning of things, such as firearms, exotic animals, prostitution, marijuana, etc. I DO however, support, strict enforcement and harsh penalties for violating laws that do protect; in other words, freedom to have and do is fine, with everyone accepting accountability. Banning the ownership of exotics is useless; there should be adequate laws protecting the animals the same as there are for domestic pets.

A fine example of humane treatment of food stock which works well is the Foster Farms Poultry story. Their business continues to grow; the chickens have good living conditions; their profits florish; their employees accept moderate wages in exchange for good working conditions and excellent benefits. Much as your ownership of Carmelo and the others is an excellent example of animals that thrive in human care; the wonderful big cats at the Exotic Feline Breeding Compound in Rosamond CA (TheCatHouse) is another example. http://www.cathouse-fcc.org/

I have seen horses in dirty, small pastures sweltering in the summer heat, no shade, no insect repellant, no exercise, no companionship and I don't hear any sane talk about banning horse ownership

Keep up the good fight, Ohioans
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I've never given any of my money to the animal welfare groups like HSUS or PETA. If I help out, its on a local basis knowing exactly where my money is going.

Keep us informed about this - and hey, maybe you SHOULD run for governor
Please don't confuse HSUS and PETA with animal welfare groups. HSUS and PETA are animal rights groups who believe that animals should be banned from our lives. Animal welfare concerns the responsible humane treatment of animals. I fully support animal welfare. Hmmm, me run for governor. Not a bad idea right?
Catsknowme: Yeah, politics will always get tons of people talking. But this issue here is very serious, if you love your pets. Sad thing is, many people just think most of what I say is not true. Well, just do a news search on Ohio and you will see this is alive and well here. HSUS has ticked off Ohio's animal owners. I am a member of OAAO, Ohio Association of Animal Owners. We are a VERY large group. We are fighting this and I believe we will win. One thing is for sure. If HSUS gets this nonsense passed in Ohio, Governor Strickland can say goodbye to getting a second term as governor in this state. Gov Strickland is a coward who can not even stand up to HSUS.
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Well said. It's a shame that HSUS and Peta won't use their HUGE budgets and influence to fight cruelty. Instead they just try to take away people's rights. What they should be doing is helping make animal cruelty a felony in Ohio!
With all the money they (HSUS and PETA) has, why don't they offer low cost or even FREE spay/neuter clinics? But no, they waste their money lobbying the government to ban animal ownership. Sadly, these groups feel the best way to stop animal cruelty is to ban animals from our lives. This is just stupid.
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Well well well, Governor Strickland. You angered animal owners in Ohio with your back door deal with HSUS and the Ohio Farm Bureau. Well, guess what, WE got the last word and kicked your butt out of office!!
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Very interesting article and a must read. Good ol lies by HSUS morons!!
http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/let...too/20630.html
PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES!!
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Well well well, Governor Strickland. You angered animal owners in Ohio with your back door deal with HSUS and the Ohio Farm Bureau. Well, guess what, WE got the last word and kicked your butt out of office!!
So, everything is okay, at least for now? We have an exotic animal ban in our county, though I don't think it's statewide. It resulted from a man who had wolves which escaped and ran loose sometimes. He also had a Liger, which was the main focus of the law changes. I felt very bad for the man (I know him personally) when he had to give up his exotics. The Liger went to a good home in a neighboring state. I don't know about the other animals, but I'm sure they were well taken care of, as well. However, I could understand the neighbors' concerns, i.e. if the wolves could get loose, what else could happen? This has kind of interfered with my dreams for a Savannah, though I know people that keep Bengals and nobody seems to complain. Kind of rambling, but I really hope things are going your way. It's sad for some bad apples to mess it up for responsible caretakers.
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So, everything is okay, at least for now?
No, it is not ok Our ex-governor, to get back at animal owners for voting him out, signed the executive order to BAN exotics now in my state. Yes, this includes me, but I am grandfathered in. This is one more reason for everyone to tell as many people as they can, to NOT support HSUS and if they do, to stop now!! In Ohio, there is NO emergency regarding exotics. In fact, there is no emergency regarding exotics anywhere. This ban, was a back door deal between HSUS, The Ohio Farm Bureau and or ex-Governor. During the election of 2009, there was an issue for Ohioans to vote for an animal care standards board, that would set rules for the care of livestock (farm animals) in the state. Ohioans passed this issue and HSUS was AGAINST the issue. HSUS wanted to be the organization, that set the standards, not Ohio. Our ex-Governor (Strickland) even stated, he did NOT want HSUS telling Ohio what to do. Well, since this issue was passed by Ohioans, HSUS, the losers that they are, got mad and threatened to have another ballot issue put to the voters. However, now this is VERY important. HSUS would not put another ballot issue to the voters, IF the Governor and The Ohio Farm Bureau, banned exotics from the state. So there you have it ladies and gentlemen. All these years I have been telling everyone what an evil organization HSUS and the like really are. And that they do NOTHING to help animals. Well here is the proof. If we do not get this executive order repealed, my RIGHT to own my exotics is now over, due to HSUS and their bully tactics. HSUS needs to be stopped NOW and I call for ALL pet owners to BAN HSUS for good.
It should be noted here, that the reason HSUS wanted to be the organization to set the livestock care standards, is because they want to eliminate the farming of animals for food. Exotic animal owner supported the Ohio Farm Bureau, back in 2009. How did the Ohio Farm Bureau thank us? By throwing exotic animal owners under the bus and agreeing with HSUS to ban exotics in the state. If we get this executive order repealed, this will be a MAJOR victory to ALL animal owners, against the terrorist organizations known as the animal rights groups Also known as HSUS, PETA, API and others.
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It should be noted here, that the reason HSUS wanted to be the organization to set the livestock care standards, is because they want to eliminate the farming of animals for food.
Farm animals are grossly mistreated in general. Why shouldn't livestock care standards be implemented?

You keep stating that the HSUS doesn't want people to own pets, yet their website states otherwise. Just because their position on exotic animals is not inline with yours doesn't mean they are against people owning pets.
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Farm animals are grossly mistreated in general. Why shouldn't livestock care standards be implemented?

You keep stating that the HSUS doesn't want people to own pets, yet their website states otherwise. Just because their position on exotic animals is not inline with yours doesn't mean they are against people owning pets.
They ARE against people owning pets period!! Just because their website says otherwise is nonsense. They want your money, to eliminate all animals from our lives.
Yes, livestock care standards should be implemented. But you must not have read my post. Ohioans DID vote for a livestock care standards board, to do that. HSUS did not like the idea that THEY were not the ones to set the standards. So, they decided to DROP the livestock care standards altogether, IF exotic animals were BANNED from the state!! So, I gues it is ok to have poor livestock care, as long as noone can own exotic animals?? HSUS tricked people in Ohio, to thinking they wanted better livestock care.They had their drones come into our state, to get residents to sign a petition requesting better livestock care standards. BUT, this petition HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH LIVESTOCK CARE!! It was a lie!! The signatures were used to get this emergency excutive order signed, to ban exotic animals. So, you still believe the LIES by HSUS?? Open your eyes!!!! I do not care, if HSUS does not like me owning exotics. I do not care if you do not like it as well. It is your right to feel that way. But, it is MY RIGHT to own the animals I so choose, as long as I do so responsibly. This goes with all animal ownership, not just exotics and it also includes livestock. HSUS has no business telling me what I can or can not own. So, the next time you think HSUS helps animals, look at the pictures of my cats. I can no longer move to another home, if I so desire. If I do, I would have to GET RID OF MY CATS!! If they could not be placed into a sanctuary, they could face the possibility of being destroyed!! Yes, I am grandfathered in and I will NEVER get rid of my cats no matter who tells me. But, my freedom has been taken away from me, by the terrorist organization known as HSUS. If I desired to move and buy more land, I can no longer do so. Because I can not move my animals. If I moved, I would have to get rid of them. So much for stupid HSUS caring for animals.
It should also be noted here, that HSUS lied, stating that this ban is neccessary, because there is an emergency in Ohio and that the ban is needed to protect the residnets of the state from these animals. But, more people have been bitten by DOGS and domestic cats in this state in just 1 year, than have been injured or killed my exotics in well over a decade. "The ban on exotic animals in Ohio is for public safety. So let’s ban dogs. The Ohio Department of Health says there were 15,021 dog bites in 2009. Also ban Fluffy. Cats bit 3,339 times in 2009.
There were four exotic animals attacks in the last 14 years says the Humane Society of the United States"
This was taken from the article posted in the Farm and Dairy http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/let...too/20630.html http://www.odh.ohio.gov/ASSETS/1B943...DD6A/abite.pdf <--Ohio dept of health. So HSUS feels that 4 exotic animal incidents during the past 14 years is an emergency?? And these 4 incidents more than likely, were to the animal owner themselves or to someone who had no business coming into contact with the animal(s) (trespassing). If I get bit, injured, sick or whatever from my animals, that is MY RIGHT and I do not need HSUS or the government protecting me from what I desire to own. It is however, my responsibility to care for my animals properly and to keep the public safe and my animals safe from the public. This also holds true for people who own any animal, such as dogs, domestic cats, horses, cattle etc. And speaking of horses, do the research and see how many people are injured or killed by them every year!! Read about horse injuries here. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...orses-analyzed. Over 78,000 injuries in 2007 alone!! Many people do not care for them properly either, same holds true for domestic dogs and cats. One thing I will agree on however, is FAIR regulations that promote responsible ownership of exotics. It is not hard to do.
If I sound a little angry here, I do apologize. But I am sick and tired of people believing the lies and nonsense by HSUS and their partner in terrorism, PETA. These organizations have NO right to tell me, you or anyone else what to do or what you can or can not own.
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You keep stating that the HSUS doesn't want people to own pets, yet their website states otherwise. Just because their position on exotic animals is not inline with yours doesn't mean they are against people owning pets.
Everyone agrees that PETA is bad. Lets simplify it for people who get easily mislead and confused. PETA and HSUS often work together, they go to/hold events together. If that doesn't make it obvious who and what HSUS are to you, and others reading, spend even 10-20 minutes doing a little bit of research. For that matter, people should read up the ASPCA and the UK's RSCPA, too, as they are not what they present themselves as, either.


And where are you getting the bit about farm animals? City folk always say stuff like this but have never spent or worked on a farm a single day of their lives.
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Everyone agrees that PETA is bad. Lets simplify it for people who get easily mislead and confused. PETA and HSUS often work together, they go to/hold events together. If that doesn't make it obvious who and what HSUS are to you, and others reading, spend even 10-20 minutes doing a little bit of research. For that matter, people should read up the ASPCA and the UK's RSCPA, too, as they are not what they present themselves as, either.


And where are you getting the bit about farm animals? City folk always say stuff like this but have never spent or worked on a farm a single day of their lives.
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This comes up a lot on my dog forum (HSUS in general, not specifically exotic animal ownership). And every time I ask for proof that what people say about HSUS is true, and nobody has been able to find anything for me. All the "proof" available online seems to be a lot of alarmist propaganda with little foundation in fact.

So maybe you can find it. This is the info I'd like to find: Why should I believe HSUS is lying to me? Why should I believe they have some kind of secret agenda? Basically, why should I believe anything other than their stated goals? I would like current info, not some crazy quotes dredged up from 1980. And facts, not gossip. So far nobody can come up with this. And if anyone wants to throw in ASPCA info as well, feel free.

(Not to say that I like HSUS. I do not agree with many of their policies, and their use of donated dollars is not as animal-oriented as I'd like. But the whole "they want to take your pets away!" thing is far-fetched)
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And if anyone wants to throw in ASPCA info as well, feel free.
The ASPCA president has a salary of $473,998 per year. This information is very easy to find. This is more than most take home, even HSUS president has a salary less than a quarter of that. They've also fought against some animal cruelty laws people have tried to get passed though petitions and local government - there was a big one that I might have the link to in my bookmarks somewhere but I'm getting ready to leave. I'll add the link to that in later.

As for the HSUS information. Look it up yourself. Start with individual animal laws being passed in states and counties and look who is pushing them. Usually it's HSUS, AIP, and sometimes PETA. These are not all good laws as they often hurt owners and businesses. They are behind all of the bad laws going after reptile owners (they outright state they want reptile ownership to end on their site), pushing for laws and regulations that they have no scientific backing to support. This is not alarmist propaganda, anyone with half a brain that's able to read the laws they propose would understand this. There's too many bills, and many get shot down thanks groups fighting them, to hunt them up per state and list them. Just start with your own state per your state's site for that.

They usually support BSL's, too.

Again HSUS = PETA with better organization.

And while people are looking up HSUS info, look up John Goodwin. He is a former ALF member (ALF are considered terrorist because of their violent and extreme actions and links to ELF) with convictions because of it. This is no secret and is not made up. He was also connected with a fire that was set on a farm that could have killed the family (children included) and even had the gall to announce how proud he was of that.
These are the type of people HSUS has in it's upper ranks.
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I understand about the legislation. But say I agree with all of that--there's no secrets there, it's all a matter of public record. Say I agree with all their stated goals. Try to convince me that a normal pet owner is in any danger of losing their right to own pets. That they're trying to trick me somehow.

I can't hold peoples' pasts against them. Unless he's made a recent statement to the effect that he still agrees with ALF, it would be wrong to assume he still feels that way. I know a lot of people who did really stupid things in the past, and have since changed their opinions. This is why I say "recent information".
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I understand about the legislation. But say I agree with all of that--there's no secrets there, it's all a matter of public record. Say I agree with all their stated goals. Try to convince me that a normal pet owner is in any danger of losing their right to own pets. That they're trying to trick me somehow.

I can't hold peoples' pasts against them. Unless he's made a recent statement to the effect that he still agrees with ALF, it would be wrong to assume he still feels that way. I know a lot of people who did really stupid things in the past, and have since changed their opinions. This is why I say "recent information".
I'm a normal pet owner. They want to ban MY pets. They're also behind pet limits in some cities. Don't you have a lot of cats? Do you like that you're considered a mentally ill criminal in the eyes of the people that push laws limiting pets?

And yes he still supports animals rights and the ALF, HSUS is animal rights and they do have some shady connections to people that are ecoterrorists. I'm sure you're familiar with the Sea Shepard? HSUS has helped fund them and they're (plus the captain/leader) are considered terrorist by several countries.

Look up the very founding of HSUS, too. They were originally part of another organization that had more welfare-like goals. They broke away because their views and goals were more extreme being animal rights instead of welfare.
Pacelle has stated their goals before, and in past interviews has even stated he has never even had a pet. Someone that isn't even an animal lover or even lives with animals should not be making laws over the rest of us that do.

In short HSUS is a political lobbying group. They even spend their charity funds on it illegally (per the IRS investigation on them for it), they are not an animal welfare organization, they run no shelters, they kill animals, and scam actual shelters. (shelters that could really used $25k+ to actually care for their animals instead)

The bit about them charging shelters to go in and certify them or whatever it is they call it pops up in various stories about shelters where HSUS has stuck their nose in and is not something you'll see listed or about them on any anti-HSUS sites.



I'm having problems finding that bad ASPCA story. Does anyone remember it - iirc the dog was thrown off a roof, the ASPCA took her in, charged the person responsible, got the dog all better, used her in stories in order to make themselves look good/get donations, but once the dog was better and showed a tad bit of behavioral problems they put her to sleep. Here's the catch, there was a rescue with plenty of space, funds, and a trainer all set up to take her, until the dog was suddenly euthanized. There was a law introduced to prevent that from happening again but the ASPCA that fought it.
I can't remember the dog's name.

nvm, found it. http://www.yesonoreoslaw.com/ It looks like they're still fighting and finally making some headway! Note: In the case of cats considered too skittish or feral to be adopted into a normal home this law could save their lives. It could potentially save FeLv and FIV+ cats if proper rescues wish to take them.
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Yes, livestock care standards should be implemented. But you must not have read my post. Ohioans DID vote for a livestock care standards board, to do that. HSUS did not like the idea that THEY were not the ones to set the standards. So, they decided to DROP the livestock care standards altogether, IF exotic animals were BANNED from the state!!
Thank you for clarification regarding the connection between the farm animal standards and the ban on exotics. My heart goes out to you; it's apparent how much you care for your cats.


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Everyone agrees that PETA is bad. Lets simplify it for people who get easily mislead and confused. PETA and HSUS often work together, they go to/hold events together. If that doesn't make it obvious who and what HSUS are to you, and others reading, spend even 10-20 minutes doing a little bit of research. For that matter, people should read up the ASPCA and the UK's RSCPA, too, as they are not what they present themselves as, either.


And where are you getting the bit about farm animals? City folk always say stuff like this but have never spent or worked on a farm a single day of their lives.
I was not aware of a connection between PETA and HSUS. However, the burden of proof is on the person making the statements. Thanks for telling me to spend 10-20 minutes doing some research as "I am easily mislead or confused". If I knew a credible source from which to obtain the pertinent information, I wouldn't be asking here in this thread.

As for the farming... I live in California and we have a lot of agriculture in this state. It isn't all skyscrapers and beaches. I've seen factory farms first-hand (where the animals barely have enough space to stand), and I've also seen farms where the animals are free-range. Free-range is a lot nicer, in my opinion. I would rather pay more for meat, if that means my meat doesn't have to roll around in feces the entirety of it's miserable life.
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www.google.com Do your own research. I get nothing out of doing it for you and by evidence of your and others posts here in this thread, few read anything I've (an the OP for that matter) linked to anyways so I'm tired of doing it. California is ripe with bad AR bills, it shouldn't take you much work to find some.

And I didn't say "seen" a farm, I said spent time working on one. Big difference.
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
www.google.com Do your own research. I get nothing out of doing it for you and by evidence of your and others posts here in this thread, few read anything I've (an the OP for that matter) linked to anyways so I'm tired of doing it. California is ripe with bad AR bills, it shouldn't take you much work to find some.
The onus is on the person making the claims, not on the reader.
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
The onus is on the person making the claims, not on the reader.
I've posted links in here, in the lounge (remember the animal planet threads and their links to HSUS?), and iirc in the sos section at one time. Obviously I can't make anyone click on those links and actually read them, otherwise people that participated in those very threads would know what HSUS does already. In fact it's really shocking that established members on here are still in the dark about this - people aren't quiet about it, this isn't the first thread concerning the matter or even the first one about the Ohio bans. (the first one was in the SOS section, iirc?)

How many times do you paste unread information before you just get tired of doing it?

I'm at least glad that a few people have been reached, and did some further research on their own concerning the matter to help convince themselves. In the end, most people don't believe something anyways unless they look it up and read it themselves or someone they think has authority over them tells it to them.
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