Too sexy for the office?

I heard about this case a while back. If what she alleges is true, it's a sad testament for a society that values beauty so highly, yet demeans and diminishes the intelligence of those deemed "beautiful."

If she's telling the truth (i.e., she was singled out, not for what she was wearing, but for how the clothing looked ON HER, and she was ultimately fired for it), I think she should receive compensation for it. However, if this is merely her getting back at a place for firing her because she DID have low performance, then I hope the truth comes out and the case is dismissed.

Btw, I want to know when it became acceptable to wear sleeveless shirts in an business environment? I'm only 28, but if I'm wearing something sleeveless, I wear a sweater over it when I'm in the office, and my office is "business casual" or "jeans that are dark and without holes."

You should see what some of the women wear at my office. Sleveless is the least of it.

I don't know if she's just being whiny or whether she has an actual point. I know some things that would be just plain immodest on me would be perfectly modest on someone with smaller breasts. But if they really told her she couldn't wear turtlenecks (that cover everything!), then maybe there was a problem.

If the addage "It takes one to know one" is even slightly true, then she won't get a dime based on this quote:

That's Danny Bonaduce in a debate vs. Terry O'Neill, the president of NOW (National Organization of Women).

She went on TV about her plastic surgery saying that, in essence, she wanted to be every man's fantasy. ATTENTION W***RE

Her first day at work she wears an outfit that accentuates her Barbie-doll figure with a sleeveless, drapey top and skin tight skirt. ATTENTION W***RE

Frankly, I would really love to see her demeanor on the bank surveillance footage. My bet is that she did everything possible to get and keep the men's attention, possibly more than she did her real work that she was paid to do. "Oops, I dropped my pencil again..." There are ways to dress any figure that is flattering, professional, and I'm not talking about the world's oldest profession. Just getting out of that car, she looks like she might just be meeting with Client No. 9.

I wouldn't be surprised if she thought she could get away with doing a poor job because of how she looked. After all, she worked very hard and paid a lot of good money to get that way.

Sorry, honey. Even the waitresses at Hooters have to work hard and be good at what they do to keep their jobs. It isn't all about how they, or you, look or what you wear.

I get sent home all of the time too for being too sexy at work. It's not my fault.

I don't know what to make of this. Like Rockcat said, I wonder if there is more to the story than the public has been told. I don't work in a professional office setting so I don't know if sleeveless shirts are inappropriate or not, I would think no. I didn't find what she was wearing in the photo all that distracting, though.

LOL Valanhb. I have no comment about this Loreanza woman.

But I have a friend who is built like Jessica Rabbit and she makes 6 figures with merely a bachelor's degree. She has the male gender wrapper around her manicured finger, and that's been the case for years, and has issues with other women from time to time. There was a falling-out when we didn't speak for 5 years, however we made up (I've known her since the age of 13). However my friend says she actually enjoys going to work and I fully believe it because if you call her at the office, she's always there and rarely complains about her job. She's funny too. One day a boss of hers quit and he was replaced by a woman. She resigned within 2 months and found another job with higher pay. Male boss of course. She cracks me up because she doesn't let her assets go to waste.

I don't feel a bit sorry for her. She wanted it, she got it! Playboy /Playmate are magazines made with an express purpose in mind.... to titilate. And apparently she's doing just that....even with her clothing on.


Maybe she should be seeking a job more in the line of what she was thinking when she decided she wanted to be a playmate fantasy for men!

Now reading stuff like that quote makes me think shes a flippin moron. If she is that into being a playmate or whatever she might as well aim for being a real sex symbol and become a porn star or something equally stupid. Women like that just irritate the bejeepers out of me. But then again Im the type of female who feels sexy in sweatpants and my boyfriends tee-shirts. Theres a difference between being fashionable and dressing hoochie and in a work place, especially places like a bank or office there is a standard of dressing for work and I dont think that standard includes how much cleavage you can get away with.

Sorry if that sounds snotty or rude. I just dont like it when women feel its fashionable to have half their boobs or butt hanging out, and to be fair it looks just as stupid when guys walk around with their boxers hanging out or shirts that are 5x too big with enough 'bling' on to get the US out of debt!

I like how she is dressed I don't think it's one bit revealing- it seems professional to me and not one bit slutty...So what if she had plastic surgery?? It's HER body and she can do with it whatever she wants to...
I think a lot of women strive to look like "playboy models" as a confidence boost, because every media reinforces this look to be the right one...It's a sad concept but I know I've fallen for it many times, at school or at work, if I have my make up done and I'm wearing more tightly fitted clothes (not revealing just more flattering to my body), I feel like I stand up for myself and speak up a lot more often and I'm not as held back, and I find that it's easier for me to match that aggressive tone that most guys use to get what they want..And maybe that's what most guys don't like.
I am very much against plastic surgery but I can definitely see someone who feels the same way I do, getting plastic surgery to boost their confidence.

Anyway, I agree that there might be more to the story, like how well she performed at the job and whether her behavior was appropriate. But if this is really all to the story, I think the ones who should be fired are all those men who felt "distracted" for being too weak to handle the job and control their emotions.

Being in the banking industry, I wonder if she uses her brain or her "assets".

I have never gone into a bank and dealt with someone sleeveless. That is NOT acceptable attire in the financial institutions around me.

Assuming that all who have rendered judgment have read the article, I'm surprised that there haven't been any comments about this:

<<Lorenzana isn't the first woman to take legal action over workplace dress requirements; famous examples include a Nevada casino bartender who unsuccessfully sued after she was fired for refusing to wear makeup.>>

From a different article, http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/...-makeup-117976

<<She was fired after refusing to comply with new Harrah's appearance guidelines requiring female employees to wear makeup -- defined as blush, mascara, lipstick and powder...The policy also requires female workers to wear teased, curled or styled hair and solid black leather shoes...>>

The message in that instance, considering the context of the workplace and the activities that reside within, seems pretty clear: look slutty, be a distraction.

The difference in these two situations is that the casino worker was in fact a victim of exploitation. The article goes on to say that she "has never worn makeup but always has been well-groomed and clean". So essentially the casino was prostituting her. Selling an image of her. Against her will.

The banker may be the worst employee in the world. We will see. But, I find it interesting to see someone - an attractive woman that we can all pass judgment on - who isn't given the benefit of the doubt, vs. a faceless woman -merely a blurb within an article - that clearly was tragically wronged, but without a mention by anyone.

And finally, http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Women+...s.-a0132271363

Now there's something that should get us all riled up. The banker is an easy target, but there's a bigger picture, slathered in irony, that shouldn't be ignored.

If companies are allowed to require uniforms, I don't see how make up is any different, it can be considered a part of the uniform??
Just playing devil's advocate, I don't think companies should be allowed to require make up OR uniforms for that matter, and they shouldn't be allowed to ask their employees to smile at the customers like flight attendants are required to do (and I'm sure many other jobs too) ..

Actually, we had a thread on that case:
Court Backs Firing of Waitress Without Makeup

The media never gives the whole story; probably there is fault on both sides. Most likely she had some warnings that her clothes are too tight (from what I see, she likes them skin-tight), maybe she liked the attention, maybe she thought he's push the men at work as far as she could, maybe get some money out of it. Then again, maybe she was a hard worker who dressed reasonably and the guys at the bank are sexist jerks... we can't possibly know the real story...

I found a link of photos that she plans on using in her case. If in fact these are the outfits she does wear to work, I see nothing wrong with them. They're stylish and tailored.

http://www.villagevoice.com/slidesho...k--30014985/1/

Looks to me like the guys working there might be "sexist jerks" and their company is going to not be very happy after the judgment.

It seems that it's a clear cut case of her past coming back to haunt her. She went on a reality TV show in order to get mega plastic surgery in order to look like Barbie because she wanted men to lust after her. She got her wish. Men are lusting. However, it's just not men on the street, it's in her place of work too.

Here is her past coming back to haunt her:

http://www.businessinsider.com/debra...ob-jobs-2010-6

Had she gone into that job without the notoriety she had from the reality show, she would not likely be in this situation.

Apparently she got a different job, but now that's in jeopardy because she's talking to the press too much and is "sullying the reputation of the financial industry"

http://www.businessinsider.com/debra...m-chase-2010-6

Right, because that was in such fine shape before she came along.

That's probably the statement of the year! I didn't even consider that!!!

Anyway, here is another link. This one to a video where she is talking about her plastic surgery and wanting to be "Tits on a stick"....and yes! That's an exact quote!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpLX67_iSt4

If the courts hold her statements against her, then the lawsuit has no merit.

So it really could go either way

If you want to watch the full video (over 9 minutes), talking about her determined man hunt, see the next link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LhsEWMFeIQ

It's probably a combination of how she carries herself, her quest to be a "Playboy Playmate" and every man's fantasy, and her past video indiscretions/images/statements coming back to haunt her.

She wanted to be "Tits on a stick" and a "Playboy Playmate" and made it known that she was doing all of this in order to attract a man. Well, she got her wish. But it seems that it's too much for her.

I know that if I was working with someone who had videos out talking the way she has, my impression of that person would be forever changed and tainted.

I'm sure those guys she works with saw those videos and heard her statements. What did she expect them to do? How did she expect them to react? They're reacting the way she wanted them to react. But I guess the reality is definitely not as appealing as her fantasy of the whole thing.

It will be interesting to hear what the court decides, if it gets that far.

It's not going to court, only to arbitration because of an agreement she signed when she got the job.

BTW there are plenty of attractive women in banks who manage to hold on to their jobs.

Let's no go there

She wasn't raped. She had comments made either to her directly or about her to the management regarding how "physically distracting" the men found her.

Now these comments could have been made because of the way she was dressed or due to the physical enhancements she had done to her body, or due to the fact that she had videos out there where she explicitly states that she wants to be a "Playboy Playmate" for the men, and "Tits on a stick".

She changed her body in order to attract male attention. She attracted it. The men gave her what she was looking for....attention. She wanted to come off as a sex object to men, she succeeded. Now she doesn't like it.

Women who dress in an alluring manner aren't looking to be raped, BUT they are looking to attract male (or female as the case may be) attention.

I know that when I was much thinner and would go out to the clubs I would wear attractive/alluring clothing and I know why I wore them....to be attractive to the opposite sex. When I got whistled at, or an attractive man came up to ask me to dance or buy me a drink...I knew I had succeeded in my goal. And the compliments/comments made me feel good.

Women who dress in a certain way and deny the reason they do it, are liars. However, looking a certain way or dressing a certain way, doesn't mean a woman wants to be raped.

Again, she underwent surgery to look a certain way in order to attract male attention. She got what she wished for.