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post #1 of 41
6/27/10 at 9:18am
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Hi ,
I finally bought the Mix Persian Chinchilla from my friend . Later I found out small portion in the tail and feet was a black blood cloth like somthing and the hair around those part was very hard and almost missing. I cleaned it with cotton and water. Please help what is that black clot like thing in those part. The cat is behaving normally and dosent care whats ever it is. Please help.

Thanks
Masud.
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post #2 of 41
6/27/10 at 9:22am
No one here is going to be able to really help you with this, sorry. You knew this kitten had some health issues and should have scheduled a vet visit - that's all you can do, get the kitten to a vet ASAP.

My guess is that it may be from exposure to something. But without a close up picture of a paw, I'm really making a wild guess.
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post #3 of 41
6/27/10 at 9:53am
Yes, VET VISIT ASAP. This could be very serious.
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post #4 of 41
6/27/10 at 10:11am
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I will upload pictures very soon. The vet told its normal for persians they get this thinks very often, he advices to use alshol hand rub to clean the area. Well I am not convinced. So i am asking help.
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post #5 of 41
6/27/10 at 10:22am
Glad you got the kitten. I'm sure whatever health problems he or she has (is it a boy or a girl?) you will get the vet help you need.

Pics will help but perhaps you might need to get a second opinion from another vet.

Have you decided on a name for this gorgeous kitten yet?
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post #6 of 41
6/27/10 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by skmdmasud View Post
I will upload pictures very soon. The vet told its normal for persians they get this thinks very often, he advices to use alshol hand rub to clean the area. Well I am not convinced. So i am asking help.
You're right not to trust that... that does not sound correct at all.
We do have persian owners and breeders on this forum, maybe if you asked for them in the breeders section you could get some to respond and help you with various persian related questions?

A agree, see if you can get another vet. And yes, do keep the areas clean.
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post #7 of 41
6/27/10 at 9:45pm
all I can say, and this does not sound like that this kitten has, is that my cat Boo (Persian) has stud tail, which is a hormone thing where his tail will get oily and turn a blackish color, some areas darker than others. It never affected his fur on his tail, and it washes off. It's not as bad now as it was when before he was neutered.

But that is just an oily area, it was not hard on my cat and fur was not affected. You should find another vet. I hope she will be ok.
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post #8 of 41
6/27/10 at 10:32pm
masud, I don't know what the vet clinics are like in your country- but these areas that are blackened- when you put the palm of your hand over (not on) the area, but just right above is there heat coming up to hit your palm? If there is, then the area is infected and your cat needs antibiotics from a vet. If it is hard and cold then it is healed and although unsightly, you start messing with it- it might break open and bleed and cause a real problem.
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post #9 of 41
6/28/10 at 1:34am
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Hi All
There are 2 pet vets in my city. One says to use Dettol and the other says to use a volatile liquid which u use to clean skin before giving injection. Its not warm and the kitten dosent react when i touch it. Its looks somthing happened and is healing, like blood clot over a wound.

Do cat produce some sort of liquid over wounded/infected area which hardens something like pus.

regards
Masud.
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post #10 of 41
6/28/10 at 2:14am
Please be careful with Dettol. It is a household cleaner and toxic if ingested. Can you get pics of this area? It would help immensely. It could be scab, like other poster said, if it breaks open or you accidentally remove some of it, it could get infected and/or bleed and get worse.
What volatile liquid? Alcohol? Like rubbing (Isopropyl) alcohol?

You did not mention exactly how large these spots are. Can you estimate or measure them. Are they in one large string or separate spots?

Hoping it is nothing serious. A vet really should visually see these before advising a treatment. I am very curious to see a pic of this injury/wound/mysterious thing.
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post #11 of 41
6/28/10 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by Snickerdoodle View Post
Please be careful with Dettol.
I was told years ago never to use Dettol for anything to do with cats, be it to clean an injury or clean their litter boxes or cat carrier as it it toxic to cats.

For cleaning a wound, a weak solution of salt water does the job well and safely, preferably use Sea Salt.

When our late Spook had a really nasty abcess, our vet cleaned it up initially and we had to follow up at home, bathing it with a weak salt water solution. It kept the abscess clean and it healed up very quickly.
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post #12 of 41
6/28/10 at 10:02am
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I finally took some pics. please check it out

http://picasaweb.google.com/skmdmasud/SkinProb#

Photo of tail and front feet. My Camera battery ran out. I will put more pics later when i get back to my home. Currently staying in my in father in laws place lol.

I will stop using dettol thanks for the advice. I also read that apple cider vinegar is best for cleaning wounds and as well as fleas.

Regards
Masud.
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post #13 of 41
6/28/10 at 11:14am
It looks like, to me, that she either had some sort of skin infection that is healing or was really over grooming those areas (fleas make cats do that). I hesitate to say ringworm because the spots are too clean looking for that. But the one spot, that I can see well, does look irritated/inflamed.

Also, I think her fur looks a bit poor in those pictures. Make sure you have her on a good quality kitten food and if you can start combing her daily now if will help get some the old fur out.
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post #14 of 41
6/28/10 at 8:47pm
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Also, I think her fur looks a bit poor in those pictures. Make sure you have her on a good quality kitten food and if you can start combing her daily now if will help get some the old fur out.
We comb her 2 to 3 times a day. Food could be an issue, his previous owner only fed her a dry cat food (most probably friskies). I gave her small amount of cow milk she loves it. Can i give diluated cow milk like 50% milk + 50% water.
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post #15 of 41
6/28/10 at 8:53pm
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Originally Posted by skmdmasud View Post
We comb her 2 to 3 times a day. Food could be an issue, his previous owner only fed her a dry cat food (most probably friskies). I gave her small amount of cow milk she loves it. Can i give diluated cow milk like 50% milk + 50% water.
Cow's milk is not a good idea. Most cats cannot digest it and it can cause diarrhea. If you can get goat's milk, this is better or even yogurt b/c the culturing drops the lactose level quite a bit. But then, only a little--- no more than a tablespoon. Can you get Royal Canin cat food there? Perhaps the Persian Formula would be good for her with the shape of the dry pieces and good for her coat. Also, fish oil is good for the skin and coat. Even a little Safflower or Olive oil like a tsp would be good for coat and skin.

Edited to add: I am sure with your loving care, she will soon blossom and be even more beautiful than she is now. Your friend named her Cosmos. Will you keep this name?
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post #16 of 41
6/28/10 at 9:19pm
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Hello,
I will try to find lactose free milk. Do i feed olive oil or massage it in her fur.

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Can you get Royal Canin cat food there? Perhaps the Persian Formula would be good for her with the shape of the dry pieces and good for her coat. Also, fish oil is good for the skin and coat. Even a little Safflower or Olive oil like a tsp would be good for coat and skin.
I will search for the mentioned food thanks.

My wife named her Fefe she is in love with this kitten. My wife loves to feed her and groom her all day.
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post #17 of 41
6/29/10 at 12:26am
looks to me like she is allergic to fleas and still must have some. Apple cider vinegar isn't good to kill fleas- it might stun them but not kill them. Do you have acess through your vet for a good topical flea treatment? I would use that before I bought anything else to try on her. I also wouldn't advise you to put it on the spots where she is eating her fur off. Not a good idea-
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post #18 of 41
6/29/10 at 1:34am
Looks like flea irritation to me and she's been licking it.

Frontline is excellent and if you can't buy it locally, you can order it from one of the many online petstores or you should be able to get it through your vet.

Love your wife's choice of name for her - FeFe.

My real name is Fiona and I often get called Fee or Fifi
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post #19 of 41
6/29/10 at 1:42am
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Flea could be a problem. I will check the pet shops for flea shampoo. Thanks.
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post #20 of 41
6/29/10 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by skmdmasud View Post
I will check the pet shops for flea shampoo.
Flea shampoos are risky to use in adult cats, let alone kittens. You're essentially washing a kitten in pesticides if you use one and can't control how much pesticide is absorbed through the skin.

A topical, as suggested, is safer.
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post #21 of 41
6/29/10 at 5:41am
Masud - you feed the olive oil to her. even 1/2 teaspoon at her size a few times a week would help. I agree with others here that it looks like a flea problem.

And please do not use flea shampoo. As others have said, it is very dangerous for such a little baby, let alone an adult cat. No flea collar. Same reason. Or any other "over the counter" treatment.

She probably also has internal parasites. This would be a good bet. Have you actually taken her to one of the vets you mentioned? I would bet good money she has roundworms. Most kittens do.

Frontline or Advantage, are best. Revolution also treats roundworms, hookworms and ear mites. Drontal, Strongid T and I think Profender treat the ones in the intestines.

I don't know if you can get any of these things there.

Also it is good that you keep coming here to ask questions. Very good. No question is wrong, stupid or bad. You want to learn what is best for the cat.
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post #22 of 41
6/29/10 at 8:40am
It is so good you are coming on here and telling us about your lovely kitten.

There are many online pharmacies where you can order Frontline and worm medications (Panacur is good for young kittens). Just Google them and there are thousands round the world that deliver to your door.

Here is just one of many:

http://www.universalpetmeds.com/

Fleas and worms are so easy to get rid of but like others say, I would not use a shampoo. Most are not good at getting rid of fleas but Frontline, Advantage etc. are all very good products that get rid of parasites very quickly - and stop them coming back provided the cat is treated regularly in accordance with the instructions.

Hope this helps - oh, and more pics please
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post #23 of 41
6/29/10 at 10:38am
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Hi all Thanks for helping me out . Huuuurray I was very lucky to get FRONTLINE that was the only foreign flea medicine available in the vet store. I bougth it for around 9 US$ . I gave my cat a bath dried him up properly then administrator frontline as mentioned in the bottle. I also sprayed it in my finger and rubbed my finger in the inside of its ear.

I finally took a very close look at the tail when giving the bath, it appears to be actually something else. its actually black dots around 0.5mm at 2 to 3 mm apart. I think its flea bits. I hope frontline will show its result.

I will take it to the vet for its 2nd vactination shots this saturday. And ask him if he know the name for those dots.

I will add pictures when i go back home with the cat... hopefully soon.

Regards
Masud.
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post #24 of 41
6/29/10 at 10:49am
Bottle? You don't mean the flea spray called Frontline, do you? It's not what people are talking about here. The frontline spray is meant for dogs and spraying the home. Those who have used it on dogs around cats or in the home with cats have had the cats get very sick.
Several years ago my parents bought some to use on our dog and had a kitten at the time that did get sick from it.

The frontline we're talking about comes in a box like this and has 3-6 single dose vials that you use, one per month, to apply on the back of the neck. It's the same active ingredient as the spray but in a dose and concentration appropriate for a cat.
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post #25 of 41
6/29/10 at 8:45pm
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Hi
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Bottle? You don't mean the flea spray called Frontline, do you? It's not what people are talking about here. The frontline spray is meant for dogs and spraying the home
its is in vials a spray called Frontline the label says for dogs and cat. Check out this picture http://picasaweb.google.com/skmdmasud/Frontline100ml#

and info http://www.pickypets.com.au/shop/frontline-spray.html

its a 100ml vial(small bottle with nozel spray ) exactly like the picture. I bought 1 vial form the pet shop. The label had instruction on how to apply on long hair cat's and it will stay in cats for 6 weeks etc. so i guess its is for cats as well.

I hope its the correct product or else i will give the cat an instant bath. Please let me know ASAP.
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post #26 of 41
6/30/10 at 3:38am
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Originally Posted by skmdmasud View Post
Hi

its is in vials a spray called Frontline the label says for dogs and cat. Check out this picture http://picasaweb.google.com/skmdmasud/Frontline100ml#

and info http://www.pickypets.com.au/shop/frontline-spray.html

its a 100ml vial(small bottle with nozel spray ) exactly like the picture. I bought 1 vial form the pet shop. The label had instruction on how to apply on long hair cat's and it will stay in cats for 6 weeks etc. so i guess its is for cats as well.

I hope its the correct product or else i will give the cat an instant bath. Please let me know ASAP.
I thnk this is what strange_wings was talking about. This is a spray bottle. The Frontline all of us were talking about is in a tiny vial with a top that snaps off. You part the fur on the cat's neck between the shoulder blades to get to the skin and apply the medicine directly.

This is what the vial looks like - picture is off the internet of a Frontline kit... the vial is maybe 1 1/2 inches. I don't use Frontline. I have used Advantage multi or Revolution (ear mites and worms). Tube size for a kitten would maybe be an inch in size top to bottom.

Giving her a bath? I don't know. How much of the spray did you use? Not sure that spray is safe for kittens given their size and weight.
LL
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post #27 of 41
6/30/10 at 4:03am
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HI,
I see, I checked the internet for both the product both contain what is called Fipronil. My kitten is near 5 months old. Acording to the body weigh I guess i did not overdose. The spray says its for cats (i think they mean adult cat). Well I have to take my chances because i dont want to use dog flea shampoo lol.

This product dosent have any side effects and overdosing up to 5 times according to them showed no symptom.

IMO its different in terms of applying
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post #28 of 41
6/30/10 at 5:24am
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
Bottle? You don't mean the flea spray called Frontline, do you? It's not what people are talking about here. The frontline spray is meant for dogs and spraying the home. Those who have used it on dogs around cats or in the home with cats have had the cats get very sick.
Several years ago my parents bought some to use on our dog and had a kitten at the time that did get sick from it.

The frontline we're talking about comes in a box like this and has 3-6 single dose vials that you use, one per month, to apply on the back of the neck. It's the same active ingredient as the spray but in a dose and concentration appropriate for a cat.
I've had Frontline Spray and it's for use on dogs AND cats although I much prefer the spot-on version - quicker, easier and less stressful to the cats (and saves my hands and arms getting shredded ) but then I am in the UK and the composition of Frontline may be different here to what it might be in other countries depending on what chemicals are allowed or banned in that particular country.
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post #29 of 41
6/30/10 at 7:43pm
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The frontline i bought was manufactured in Thailand. My cat is doing great so far. Although initially after few hours its coat became a bit sticky and wavey but after brushing its back to normal . Itching and self biting has decreased a lot but still time to time she scratched her neck. My next target is to clean ear mites which she has in great number.

regards
Masud.
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post #30 of 41
6/30/10 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by skmdmasud View Post
The frontline i bought was manufactured in Thailand. My cat is doing great so far. Although initially after few hours its coat became a bit sticky and wavey but after brushing its back to normal . Itching and self biting has decreased a lot but still time to time she scratched her neck. My next target is to clean ear mites which she has in great number.

regards
Masud.
Good to hear, Masud. I think most people on here would say use Revolution for ear mites. Or Advantage Multi. Again - these medicines come in those tiny vials with the snap-off tops. I don't know if you can get them there. The other treatment is the generic ivermectin, but you really, really have to know how to use it. It can also cause serious problems.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ear_mites.html
This talks about the variety of treatments for ear mites.
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