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post #61 of 185
Like I said - I don't know the quality of life issues with the CRF and stones - but it does sound like NOW you have a good vet to discuss these things with.

...as to your mom - I handle things the way you do - but I expect it's gonna feel pretty good to have her handy if the old vet doesn't want to.... cooperate. Seems to me like they deserve it!
post #62 of 185
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Oh yes. She will definitely be handy. She's the one in the house who works years and years to get one single thing done with various companies or state departments around here, and she doesn't give up. So she is handy. Even if she does yell and look crazy LOL

Boo is still resting. And yes, I think I will go ahead and have it done, if for nothing more than just to get it to stop hurting so he can eat normally. Mom suspects the old vet of trying to kill him so I'd never find out what happened. Which at this point I can't say that isn't possible. It's such a shame that there are vets in this world that are not skilled to do what they do. I'm so amazed, you can do a P/U Surgery with flying colors but you can't remove a tooth? I also found out that there is an extra 4 years of schooling to be specialized (I believe specialized) in veterinary dentistry, so that was surprising. My vet is AAHA accredited, my new one, so that is piece of mind, too.

So tomorrow we make our move, and hopefully by the end of this week we will be able to schedule this to be done. My friend (who recommended her to me) said that if she recommends a specialist in Greensboro, that the guy is really good and I should do it. He'd be so far away it scares me, I'd much rather my new vet do it. I'm not .. really sure what to do there. But I'll work it out.

Thanks guys
post #63 of 185
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post #64 of 185
Oh honey, I am so so sorry you both are going through this... This is truly awful... I hope you can get some sort of resolution tomorrow, and that you can get his mouth fixed up as quickly as you can... I am also on Laurie's team - I would deifnitely fight with and for him.
Also, after he is no longer in pain, chances are, he will be a whole other cat. I think you just might see a lot of life coming back into him - I saw it on Bugsy, once I begun his Stomatitis treatment... Mouth pain is a horrible thing to go through, but luckily you can fix it. Totally, totally worth it.
I know it is infuriating... I know it is... But you caught it, and now you will make it go away.

Mom will come in handy tomorrow - that vet deserves some yelling. I would get out of there with the reimbursement, and if not, I would take it to small claims court. Most definitely. I would also report him and his practice to the board, but only after I got my money back.

Good luck!
post #65 of 185
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He's not happy this morning, but he purred during fluids and he's had his Buprenex, which seems to be helping. He looks a tad bit stoned. He ate some temptations but refused dry and hi tor. So that's two fronts he's been set off the path on, his BUN levels will probably rise, his kidneys are getting a one two punch from both of these meds and his lowered intake of water (Took him about 10 minutes just to drink a bit of water) and he's not eating as well as he should. So he's effectively stolen quality time away from Boo.

Going to take care of it this very morning and will let you guys know how it goes.
post #66 of 185
Buprenex is good pain med for cats. It will make him stoned but it works pretty fast (within half an hour) and is easy to give (just squirt in mouth, it is absorbed by the mucus membranes in the mouth)

I know you will keep us updated on what's happening.
post #67 of 185
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Well. It went like I thought it would. My mother was relatively calm but told him we were very disappointed in him. He denied everything straight down the line and refused to pay for anything or refund any money. If we had him taken back there he would "re-examine" him, but I flatly refused and told him that Boo will never be coming back there. He kept saying "That's fine. That's fine. ok." His face got very tight, his hands started shaking.

He disputed the Amforal, with Kandamyacin in it, saying that if it is injected it affects the kidneys, but with the syringe of paste into his mouth it does not go into the bloodstream. Um? I thought things that were digested in the stomach eventually reach the blood stream in one form or another unless not digestable?

He disputed the peridontal flap needing to be put over the extraction site and disputed the extraction site needing to be closed up. He said "They usually close up by themselves" When I mentioned the peridontal flap, he claimed they are not always used.

He disputed the fact that root or tooth is left in the socket, he claims it is bone. Bone from his jaw? I guess! Who knows! It just magically appeared I guess! No one makes mistakes in your place of business do they!

He disputed the over-hydration of 200mL even after being reminded that he said my cat wouldn't last another week, and I told him after being put on only 100mL a week, he improved within a couple of days. He was not phased.

He suggested I take my cat to Carolina Veterinary Specialists, I think, I don't even remember, because I tossed it out of my head as soon as it entered my ears and said no, the only vet he is seeing is Dr. Pierce at Old Town. This is ridiculous.

He looked at the X-ray several times and would not so much as touch the papers from Dr. Pierce with her notes on them. He barely glanced at them on the table. I warned him and asked again if he was sure he wouldn't admit he made a mistake, or at least compensate me money and pay to get this fixed, and he refused again. I informed him additional action will be taken against him. He said that 'was fine'.

So, no surprise. I called my vet and told her what happened, and she said her stance did not change. I have him set up to go in with her to have the surgery done there on this coming Monday. He will be in Monday, tuesday and wednesday. I have to bring his Hi Tor with me and any other food he likes, his meds she gave me and of course the X-Ray. I will bring his little white blankie too.

Isn't this so ridiculous? I was so scared about this all day but was surprised how well I handled myself. I usually burst into tears. I told him Boo only weighs 5 pounds now. He's gone downhill. This is open and you've looked at it. He acted at first like he didn't remember anything about Boo, and then apparently had selective amnesia about various things. "I'd have to look at his file"

They know me so well they know me by my first name, even over the phone before I state my name. C'mon. Really? Whatever.

in ANY CASE. I applied for credit at Old Town and she said they will work with me. I will be devoting every last spare cent to his bill. He is sleeping right now, and has eaten a little bit of dry and some temptations, but will not touch his hi tor. Which is really upsetting because, his hi tor is keeping his BUN down ... but, we'll just deal with it as it comes. He's drinking water.

So. There it is. As soon as I have any new updates I'll let you guys know. For now I'm off to find out how to file a complaint and as I said, take further action.

Thank you all
post #68 of 185
Don't be too discouraged. This is to be expected for the first round with the old Vet. Just don't give up...make him pay for what he has done to Boo!!!!

for Boo's upcoming surgery, and for you too!
post #69 of 185
I hope Boo will be ok.
This vet needs to be reported to the North Carolina vet board.
I reported a vet once that was bad to go and the jerk is in jail and has been shut down.
He killed a few pets.
post #70 of 185
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That is what I plan on doing Mews, and I am in the process of doing it (will be typing everything up at work tonight since I don't have a printer here, but I have all the information to guide me through the process)

Boo has been getting his Buprenex every 8 hours, and after he's had it he eats a good bit and drinks his water then sleeps. It makes him a little loopy but he is doing okay. He started hollering for me earlier (I went into the other bedroom for a second) and I came back in and he just wanted petting

I have been praying for him. He's a real tough cat! Thank you all <3 I am committed to continue the fight on Boo's behalf to get, what in my mind, is justice.
post #71 of 185
You know we are all behind you.
Your new vet seems to know alot and is using the same meds Coco gtes for pain.
I am glad you have a good vet now.
I know you will never give up on Boo.

post #72 of 185
Oh honey, I just wish I was there to give you a big hug.... Feel hugged...
post #73 of 185
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Oh I do feel hugged You have no idea how much it means to me just to have people to talk to about Boo and all of this. Everyone else is tired of hearing about it and you guys really help me through all of this, not to mention pointing me in the right direction. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
post #74 of 185
We know.....we really do.

to you and Booboo (And Chickster too)
post #75 of 185
I'm going to be gone until late afternoon (Pacific Time) Monday, but will be thinking of you and Boo even though will not be able to communicate. I'll be anxious to read how his surgery went upon my return. Again, for a quick recovery.
post #76 of 185
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Thank you guys <3 <3

Just letting you all know he had a very good day today! I returned the X-Ray to Dr. Pierce so she could consult some people on their idea of what is going on with the incisors, just to double check, but Boo went outside today and wanted to all by himself! Not only was he not on any Buprenex (Wore off, have to give it again in 1 hour) but he was rolling over onto his side and stretched all out (In the shade, though it is about 95 or so outside) and REALLY enjoyed himself. I assist fed him some more food but he ate some Hi Tor on his own. He even went poop. Some of it was hard but the other half was a different color (tan) and softer. So maybe we have the poo poo train moving again!

I think the antibiotics are really kicking in now and it's helping him to feel better. I am so relieved. He is drinking water and though he didn't like the assist feeding, it seemed to jump start his stubborness and got him eating on his own again even though it looked like he was still hurting from it, but not AS bad.

Soooooo, we are just waiting and I am going through all my records and writing up what I need to write up. He's been trotting everywhere today, to the pan, outside, but he didn't grumble too much when I brought him back in (Stayed outside for about 20 minutes) but he so seriously had a great time.

Thank you guys again
post #77 of 185
So much to catch up on! First of all - I am SO GLAD TO HEAR Boo had a good day! And Boo had a good poo! ( )

I'm not surprised about the vet's reaction, but good on you for being strong!!!!! I tend to get emotional too - that's why Gary handles stuff like that. I'm proud of you!!!!!

I just want to add, you should also report him to the Better Business Bureau in addition to everything else you've got planned.
post #78 of 185
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Really? I never thought the BBB would handle a veterinarian, even though they are a business. I will do just that! Thank you!!! (A quick search on BBB website does not bring up the veterinary hospital.... odd?)
post #79 of 185
I've never tried to report one - maybe it is different! My reaction was just - report him everywhere you can!
post #80 of 185
I am glad Boo feels better.
You have to belong to the BBB to be listed on their site.
post #81 of 185
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Ah. So they don't belong to the BBB, would I still be able to file a complaint you think? I will try anyway, but I will try that after we get his surgery done and I am going to ask that Dr. Pierce save the shards from the socket so I will have evidence of that, and possibly his incisors if she will allow it. <3 <3 He is stoned again but doing the rolling-onto-his-side thing and wanting pettings every now and again. So still doing OK right now.
post #82 of 185
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I also wanted to add, just in case, that I've been doing a load of research on mandibular canine extractions in cats (Lower jaw, specifically tooth 304) and everything I am reading (which is geared towards Vets, so it's in vet language and takes awhile to read) ends the procedure of a tooth extraction (particularly a canine extraction) with a suture. They usually put a graft product of some sort inside the extraction site and suture it closed so bone will grow into the spot where the root was, and if I'm understanding correctly, prevent the jaw from possibly breaking later on down the line because of lost bone. So perhaps this is what was purported to be "bone" fragments in the extraction site, it was from his jaw (Only place I can figure it came from) and also, (I swear, give me the instruments and I could probably do an extraction myself! Kidding! Would never attempt!), they all state that a "bur" should be used inside the site to remove any "bone or other material left" ... hmmmm..... I am thinking I have almost all I need here. Just need to get copies of a few more things. I also have printed out an x-ray of the exact kind of x-ray Boo had. The same tooth was extracted. I mean to tell you WOW. The one I found online looks very clean and neat. The one I saw was very very wrong. His incisors WERE CUT. It is very obvious on my x-ray. The differences between these two x-rays are sickening. It's obvious to me that if he'd just sutured this up, no food would have gotten in and possibly we wouldn't be going through this. Why no suture? It is simple!

Sorry, just had to post this as I've been working on this all night and am actually really getting into it. It is also very amazing to see that the canine tooth's root is much longer than the canine itself. Anyway. Sorry for the rant! Hadda tell ya'll!

post #83 of 185
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Ok guys. He has totally gone off of his food, or so I thought this morning. I assist fed him 6-7mL of pureed Hi Tor after he refused fresh out of the can Hi Tor (He NEVER refuses -that-) and he won't touch his temptations of purina one. Soooooo... umm.... I went to the store and was getting can food for the outside cats and when I got home I fed them, I got Friskies, all different types. I had opened a can of Lamb and Rice in Gravy and had some left over, so I put it on a plate to see if Chickster would eat it, no dice. So I took it upstairs and thought, he's not eating ANYTHING and I can't assist feed him a full belly because he starts to get really ornery and upset and is spitting a lot of it out. So I gave him the plate.

You guys, he went nutso and ate all the gravy off of every single piece, then ate quite a few pieces of the meat. He's grooming himself now and purring. My question is ...... how bad is it that he just ate Friskies? I had read on Tanya's CRF site that Friskies isn't that terrible of a wet food, it's maybe not the most ideal but I wouldn't think that a temporary go of it this weekend to keep him eating =something= would be too detrimental?

He ate the first time, then left the room, then catapulted himself onto the desk to eat some more and now has come back for even more. There was altogether about 2 tablespoons maybe of it on the plate, and he's down to a little over 1 tablespoon with no gravy left. He's eating meat now.

I'm really happy to see him eating but at the same time scared as crap ....

thank you so much Also, oddly, he's not wincing at this food like it is hurting him like he does with the Hi Tor. Maybe because of the texture? His food isn't cold when I give it to him ever.
post #84 of 185
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Disheartened this morning. Boo's breath smells like ammonia. It was smelling like dead animal, but that smell is gone. There is no food stuck in his site right now that I can see, it's just bright red in the center, and it's bleeding a bit and it has a bit of puss/clear fluid coming out. I gently touched it with a q-tip. Making it even worse is that his lip/inner cheek at that site lays over the extraction site covering it up (Unless he's eating I guess) So I guess the antibiotic is working, but I'm just upset about the ammonia smell. I've never noticed him having that before.

I mixed Hi Tor into his Friskies and he ate it. So going to try to put more Hi Tor than Friskies. monday can't get here soon enough.
post #85 of 185
Any food is better than no food. Give him what he wants to eat, is my advice. He needs to keep up his strength.
post #86 of 185
I don't know about CRF, but I know kitties need to eat. I'm with Otto - I'd give him whatever he'll eat. When Tuxie became very anemic, he lost interest in eating. The vet said - I don't care WHAT it is - figure out what he'll eat.

It was shrimp. Horrible for kitties when that's all they eat - but that's what he would eat. Jump shrimp, boiled, cooled, and mushed into mush with warm shrimp water.

Now that he's fine, we cannot bring shrimp into the house - even for ourselves. He goes NUTS for it - and will literally cry for MONTHS for it after we ate it, so no more shrimp. But if he ever won't eat again, we know what will do the trick!
post #87 of 185
I hope everything works out well on monday.
Sorry he has so many problems.
post #88 of 185
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Boo's been eating Friskies (Now it's Turkey dinner in gravy) mixed with Hi Tor still, and his energy is wowzers. Everywhere he goes he trots quickly and he still has not had a collapse again. he's been begging to go outside and doing well with his medicine. We did have a potential crisis when I told Mom I would give him his Buprenex at 4pm (I was laying down at 3:30, set alarm for 4, give him his Buprenex and go back to sleep) By the time I got ready to lay down it was already close enough to 4 that I just gave it to him. It's .1 on the syringe, and Dr. Pierce said she was going to give me a very low dose. When I woke up about 9:45pm Mom said she had given him his medicine. I said WHAT!!! I gave him his medicine at about 3:45! "Well you didn't wake up when your alarm went off!" I told you I was going to give him his medicine !! I freaked but Boo was absolutely fine. He didn't even look stoned like usual. So this was 5 hours afterwards and he was fine. Eating, running to the pan, drinking water. He was fine. So Mom's not allowed to help out anymore

When going out he's been rubbing on my legs and purring. More like himself. His extraction site is looking really great due to the antibiotics. One night this past week he was on the back of the lounge chair and he was bumping me on the head. I was just

So he goes this morning. It is very weird that I am actually excited about this and ready to get it done. And I do not think I will cry when I drive away from the place like I did at the old place. I'm going to visit him every day and take his blankie, litter, catfood with him so he will eat and pee while he is there. And his LRS bag too (fresh) ... So much to do this morning!!!

Will let you know how things go!!
post #89 of 185
Best wishes to BooBoo this morning

post #90 of 185
I hope everything goes well.
Coco is staying at the vets for at least 2 days.

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