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Jon Voight Writes Mr. Obama a Letter

post #1 of 25
6/23/10 at 4:26am
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...nt-jon-voight/
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post #2 of 25
6/23/10 at 4:48am
Short, sweet and to the point.

It will be picked apart, ridiculed and dismissed by those who have bought into this administration.

But that's ok. Just look at it this way, every day that passes is one less day of his rein.

Heck, Hillary even looks good at this point.
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post #3 of 25
6/23/10 at 4:53am
Interesting. Someone from that horrible, liberal Hollywood establishment actually supports Israel's policies...

And several of the largest Christian groups in the US soundly condemns Israel's policies in the middle east...

http://www.pcusa.org/middleeastpeace/
http://www.wfn.org/2010/06/msg00023.html

Both of those facts completely contradict so much that has been posted on these very forums.

Isn't life funny like that?
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post #4 of 25
6/23/10 at 5:46am
I've always wondered how an entertainer's opinion is any different than the average person's opinion. Does fame and money make their point of view somehow more revelant than ours?
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post #5 of 25
6/23/10 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
I've always wondered how an entertainer's opinion is any different than the average person's opinion. Does fame and money make their point of view somehow more revelant than ours?
Nobody says it does. I am sure there are many ordinary citizens who would agree with what he writes, although it doesn't make the headlines like Hollywood.
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post #6 of 25
6/23/10 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Interesting. Someone from that horrible, liberal Hollywood establishment actually supports Israel's policies...

And several of the largest Christian groups in the US soundly condemns Israel's policies in the middle east...

http://www.pcusa.org/middleeastpeace/
http://www.wfn.org/2010/06/msg00023.html

Both of those facts completely contradict so much that has been posted on these very forums.

Isn't life funny like that?
Is the report considered official policy of the PC(USA)?
No, the report at this stage is just that — a report from a committee who has conducted a study of the situation. Until and unless a General Assembly approves the recommendations of this report, it is not considered official policy of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).
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post #7 of 25
6/23/10 at 7:07am
For those that believe in the Bible as the true word of God, its stated that those that do not protect Israel will be destroyed. Obama has put America on that list and we will all suffer for his actions.

At least Jon is not the only one to see thru Obama and what his real agenda is!
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post #8 of 25
6/23/10 at 8:46am
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Is the report considered official policy of the PC(USA)?
No, the report at this stage is just that — a report from a committee who has conducted a study of the situation. Until and unless a General Assembly approves the recommendations of this report, it is not considered official policy of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).
And Obama has made no official stance of doing anything detrimental toward Israel. Sounds a bit "double standardish" doesn't it?

Their General Assembly is less than a month away. Likely less than a formality.

Now, the 2nd link is entirely another story. That lists the official stance of numerous Christian churches in the US, and their condemnation of Israeli actions.

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>World Council of Churches:
>United Church of Christ and Christian Church (Disciples of Christ):
>United Methodist Church:
>Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:
>Episcopal Church:
http://www.cmep.org/
http://www.cmep.org/Media/media.html
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post #9 of 25
6/23/10 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
For those that believe in the Bible as the true word of God, its stated that those that do not protect Israel will be destroyed. Obama has put America on that list and we will all suffer for his actions.

At least Jon is not the only one to see thru Obama and what his real agenda is!
Books can be made to say anything. In fact, Sherlock Holmes once went up against the Mummy in a book. Besides, from the looks of the number of Christian organizations on that declaration and add that to the Catholic condemnation, it's not just Obama, it's almost half of America's Christians.
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post #10 of 25
6/23/10 at 10:13am
Americans are still Americans even as they disagree with actions of the federal government.

I'm still a ELCA member even as I disagree with some of what ELCA's official stance is. Now if my church were to start pushing their views on parishioners and those views were such that I couldn't live with them, I would walk away from the ELCA.

IMO, Israel has a right to inspect those ships and the fault for the deaths on that flotilla lies, ENTIRELY with the, so-called, peace activists.
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post #11 of 25
6/23/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
For those that believe in the Bible as the true word of God, its stated that those that do not protect Israel will be destroyed. Obama has put America on that list and we will all suffer for his actions.

At least Jon is not the only one to see thru Obama and what his real agenda is!
I can think of another list - and Jon Voight is probably on it! Barack's S List

I wonder if JV voted for Obama. My guess is yes. You know those Hollywood types

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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Interesting. Someone from that horrible, liberal Hollywood establishment actually supports Israel's policies...

And several of the largest Christian groups in the US soundly condemns Israel's policies in the middle east...
Maybe it's a sign of the times i.e. the things we've come to expect get turned upside down, muddied, everyone's confused. Maybe the Mayans are right. 2012.
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post #12 of 25
6/23/10 at 12:20pm
Actually no one but God knows the date and time - we just know its not far off
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post #13 of 25
6/23/10 at 1:09pm
I see no difference at all in this "not far off", and any of the other "not far off" that failed to occur over the last 1500 years or so.
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post #14 of 25
6/23/10 at 1:19pm
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Americans are still Americans even as they disagree with actions of the federal government.

I'm still a ELCA member even as I disagree with some of what ELCA's official stance is. Now if my church were to start pushing their views on parishioners and those views were such that I couldn't live with them, I would walk away from the ELCA.

IMO, Israel has a right to inspect those ships and the fault for the deaths on that flotilla lies, ENTIRELY with the, so-called, peace activists.
There doesn't seem to be any dissent in those Church's ranks. That would indicate either complacency or agreement.

If their parishioners disagree with the stance taken by the Churches, they should publicly speak out against them.
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post #15 of 25
6/23/10 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by c1atsite View Post
I can think of another list - and Jon Voight is probably on it! Barack's S List

I wonder if JV voted for Obama. My guess is yes. You know those Hollywood types



Maybe it's a sign of the times i.e. the things we've come to expect get turned upside down, muddied, everyone's confused. Maybe the Mayans are right. 2012.
Jon Voight is a loyal conservative Republican, I can assure you he did NOT vote for Barack.
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post #16 of 25
6/24/10 at 11:07am
The next flotilla of blockade runners is setting sail. This time, the bulk of the crew/contingent of one ship is almost entirely women. They consist of Muslims, Palestinian Christians, Arabs, Europeans and several American Nuns.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...8A1WQD9GFLOU80
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post #17 of 25
6/24/10 at 3:50pm
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The next flotilla of blockade runners is setting sail. This time, the bulk of the crew/contingent of one ship is almost entirely women. They consist of Muslims, Palestinian Christians, Arabs, Europeans and several American Nuns.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...8A1WQD9GFLOU80


So? Do they have guns? Are they going to start shooting, beating and assaulting the Israeli's when they are boarded, because they WILL be boarded, regardless of who is on that ship.
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post #18 of 25
6/24/10 at 4:32pm
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So? Do they have guns? Are they going to start shooting, beating and assaulting the Israeli's when they are boarded, because they WILL be boarded, regardless of who is on that ship.
Well, I don't know. You'll have to tell me; I don't know what Christians in that situation are going to do.

But, it's completely legal to defend an assaulted ship in international waters.
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post #19 of 25
6/24/10 at 8:22pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Well, I don't know. You'll have to tell me; I don't know what Christians in that situation are going to do.

But, it's completely legal to defend an assaulted ship in international waters.
Boarding and inspecting for weapons is not "assault."
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post #20 of 25
6/24/10 at 9:44pm
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Boarding and inspecting for weapons is not "assault."
"Boarding and inspecting" a ship flagged under a country you're NOT at war with, in international waters they do not control, is just that. Their damage control efforts are more than enough proof they are aware they messed up.

Boarding would have been completely justified in the blockade zone, but launching the operation in international waters was nothing short of dumb.
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post #21 of 25
6/25/10 at 12:00am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
"Boarding and inspecting" a ship flagged under a country you're NOT at war with, in international waters they do not control, is just that. Their damage control efforts are more than enough proof they are aware they messed up.

Boarding would have been completely justified in the blockade zone, but launching the operation in international waters was nothing short of dumb.
I agree 100%.
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post #22 of 25
6/25/10 at 11:33am
Walk a mile in Israel's moccasins, then you can talk.
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post #23 of 25
6/25/10 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Walk a mile in Israel's moccasins, then you can talk.
Actually, we're allowed to talk at any time. And international and maritime laws apply to everyone.
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post #24 of 25
6/25/10 at 2:48pm
I never had any problem with the boarding of the vessel. The only thing I disagreed with was that it was done in international rather than territorial waters.
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post #25 of 25
6/26/10 at 6:08am
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I never had any problem with the boarding of the vessel. The only thing I disagreed with what that it was done in international rather than territorial waters.
Exactly. I feel the same way.

Now this next ship, if I understand the news reports correctly, is an exception. Israel and Lebanon are under a cease fire, and from what I understand, this ship is flying a Lebanese flag. Inspecting ships of a declared enemy on the high seas is legal. And in this case, they probably won't do it in international waters because of the backlash from the bungled operation.
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