Mandarin's Herpes - Suggestions on Management?

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I worry so much about him. Especially after what I went through with Linus. Statistics point to much more cats with herpes getting the disease of tooth resorption than cats who don't. I just want him happy and healthy.
 

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I totally understand! Hannah's latest flare ups have been feline acne! She used to get horrible URIs that would last for months. Changing her diet and giving her a daily dose of an antihistamine has really helped to keep her healthy. (Healthy for her, that is.) The vet was very impressed with all our work with Hannah to get her to this state of wellness and our regime. She's perfectly healthy except for her herpes. Good eyes, good teeth, healthy skin and fur, just a compromised immune system.
 

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Have you tried the flavored Lysine chewables? I have a cat with herpes and I was using the capsules at first by putting the powder in wet food, but he started to refuse that. I found another form of Lysine that is like a chewy treat and my cat loves them! I was using the company's chewable multivitamin and he would come running when I opened the drawer where I keep the vitamin "treats" so when I found out they made a Lysine "treat" too I knew it would be a good choice for him. He won't eat most other types of cat treats, but he loves both the vitamin and lysine treats! They're made by Vetri-Science and they're called Vetri-Lysine Plus Soft Chews.
 
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I have NOT tried those. Those are a good idea!
I guess I have lots of stuff to talk to the vet about tomorrow. My husband will probably groan and moan. He just thought we were going in for a checkup possibly some drops and some shots. Heehee.. little does HE know. He just doesn't have a lot of patience for medical stuff. He doesn't get it as much as I do, and he's kinda like, "why am I sitting here listening to a foreign language?"

Mandarin is not impressed that the cat carrier is INSIDE the apartment. He knows he's going to the vet's tomorrow and is giving me nasty looks.

As for feline acne, Mandarin used to get that really bad until I switched over to all crystal bowls - I got them for a quarter a piece at the local St. Vincent de Paul's - and now he doesn't have any of THOSE breakouts. Yay for brains and accomplishments!
I'm so glad to hear your Hannah is doing better. I never knew when I brought Mandarin home that he would be such a project.

Is there such thing as a "normal" cat? LOL
 

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Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker

I guess I really just don't want to mess up all the brownie points I've received the last 2 months since he's finally accepted me with something that I'm not closer to sure will work. Mandarin wanted NOTHING to do with me since I brought him home from the shelter 6 years ago. It has been "Daddy Daddy Daddy LeAnn LeAnn LeAnn and Linus Linus Linus" until the last two months. But as selfishly as I want him to be my friend, I honestly want him healthier first. The L-lysine said it's supposed to be flavorless that I have, but since he wouldn't eat it, I'm like, "well why would I eat flavorless goo? Better add it to something yummy." So maybe try the powder? Not really sure. I'm just sick of him winking at me and looking at me like, "mommy I don't feel good." I wouldn't my eye being inflamed like his.


He doesn't eat wet food without barfing.
He likes pudding but milk on a regular basis + kitty tummy = barf. He can tolerate some tuna juice, and so I tried it in that. Nope.
I tried it in clam juice since it's SUPER cheap and I thought if he liked that I could live with that. Nope, doesn't even like the clam juice so now I have clam juice hanging out in my cupboard for nothing cuz there's nothing I know to cook with that.
He likes tomato soup but I'm not sure how good that is for him to have daily so I didn't try that. And venison well he loves venison but it's hard to get venison meat unless it's around hunting season, and my husband would throw an absolute fit if I brought home a whole freezer full of deer meat to try and get him to eat his medicine. I'm sure eventually he would be okay with it, but if Mandarin didn't go for it, then we're stuck with a whole freezer full of venison to eat which I'm not the biggest on and Wally gets sick of very quickly. Like he can eat it twice a year and that's good enough. He doesn't like the gritty texture.

Why does everything have to be so complicated?!?!?!?!?!

I was using feliways for a while when Majel and him were having problems adjusting. Perhaps I should go back to getting them for a while.
Add the powder to his water - he will drink it without even knowing it is there... Seriously... The powder I gave you the link for has worked for the most finicky kitties - including mine. My super finicky cat who does not eat wet food takes it on the water without a problem...
That gives you a pound/522 doses, enough to allow you to mix into their water bowl...
 
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Brain going to stop working soon.. must get sleep but must keep posting...


How do I insure that Mandarin is getting enough of the powder a day if I put it in the watering hole? He shares two water bowls with his sister Majel. Will it bother her to be on it as well?

Does the stuff go bad if I leave it in the water bowl? I try to clean them out every day but sometimes I forget, and then other times it's getting cleaned out like 5 times a day because sometimes they like to wash their paws in the water...
 

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Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker

Brain going to stop working soon.. must get sleep but must keep posting...


How do I insure that Mandarin is getting enough of the powder a day if I put it in the watering hole? He shares two water bowls with his sister Majel. Will it bother her to be on it as well?

Does the stuff go bad if I leave it in the water bowl? I try to clean them out every day but sometimes I forget, and then other times it's getting cleaned out like 5 times a day because sometimes they like to wash their paws in the water...
No, not at all... In fact I put it right into their water fountain, and only wash it every 2 weeks when it is low. L-Lysine is an amino-acid, and is good for all the kitties; it is like kitty vitamins for the ones who don't have herpes. Here in my house everybody is in it.

A cat on dry food should drink roughly 5-6oz of water a day. I put 1/4tsp per each 5.5 oz of water into their fountain. 1/4tsp will provide 500mg of Lysine. When you toss the water you make another mix... No problem...
 
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You guys are really angels to help out so much. Not much proper herpes education. When I worked at the vet's office down south, they never made a big deal about herpes at ALL. But when I worked at the shelters they were FANATICS about cleanliness and not spreading diseases. It seemed that when I worked at the vet's office in Mississippi the dogs were thought of much more highly than cats. Cats were much more disposable. Well I'm sorry but I like my cats and I will always like my cats, and they are not disposable. The vet's office ended up feeling much more like an afterhours clinic type thing: just vaccinations, testing for worms, flea/mange treatment, spays, neuters, docking ears and tails - DISGUSTING. I don't know if I'm explaining right. Brain tired. Gonna go take a shower and hope in bed.

Thanks again for all the help, angels.
 

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Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker

It seemed that when I worked at the vet's office in Mississippi the dogs were thought of much more highly than cats. Cats were much more disposable.
That's sort of the prevailing attitude over all, especially in the south.
Oh well, we know better.


I wasn't sure about adding l-lysine to the fountains. But if it's working in a house with major kitty herpes issues it must not filter much of it out.
As for all of them getting l-lysine, herpes spreads pretty easily anyways..

Maybe you could look into adding it to the water and for major flare ups have the chews to make sure he is getting enough?
 

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Originally Posted by strange_wings

That's sort of the prevailing attitude over all, especially in the south.
Oh well, we know better.


I wasn't sure about adding l-lysine to the fountains. But if it's working in a house with major kitty herpes issues it must not filter much of it out.
As for all of them getting l-lysine, herpes spreads pretty easily anyways.. It always worked for me with the filters - no flare ups so far... Recently, for the last 2 months or so I removed the filters just by coincidence... Kitties like the water all the same and it has worked both with the filter on or off. The OP doesn't use a fountain though - she uses a water bowl.

Maybe you could look into adding it to the water and for major flare ups have the chews to make sure he is getting enough?
This is a great idea actually... I do double the dose by adding 500mg to the wet food during flares in addition to the water. So I do the water every day, and water + added to food during flares.
Fortunately I haven't had a flare since a month or so into this regimen...
Bugsy was a disaster when he first came in!
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Originally Posted by Carolina

The OP doesn't use a fountain though - she uses a water bowl.
Nope! But I do.
With seven house cats and two outside, it's good to know this stuff in advance. Plus, who knows, maybe she'll spring for one in the future or another reader will benefit from knowing it'll work fine in a fountain.


Maybe you should check out the chews, too? In case you're away from home and need a simple solution for your sitter.
 
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I think these are all awesome ideas.

Do your kitties tend to wash their paws more or less in the bubbler? For some reason after my kitties use the cat box they like to wash their paws in the water dish. I thought if I put out two they would stop doing it, or do it only in one but I was wrong. But seeing as the powder seems so reasonable may it's not really an issue anyways?
Are their glass bubblers out there? Or some other form that is NOT plastic? Plastic makes Mandarin's chin break out and I don't want to have to deal with his washing his chin again on top of everything. He would NOT be a happy camper about that.

Is there anyway to test and see if your cats have herpes when you get them so you know for sure they're not shedding the virus? One of my big things for when I brought a new cat home was to make sure that she had ALL of her shots before I even THOUGHT of bringing her home. I wanted to make sure that she didn't have herpes as well, but she could have it and I don't even know it! Raaaaaaaaaaaaarrr...

Showered up and brain semi-working but I'm sure I'll come up with many more questions.
 

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Originally Posted by strange_wings

Nope! But I do.
With seven house cats and two outside, it's good to know this stuff in advance. Plus, who knows, maybe she'll spring for one in the future or another reader will benefit from knowing it'll work fine in a fountain.


Maybe you should check out the chews, too? In case you're away from home and need a simple solution for your sitter.
Nah - I do travel often but seriously this works so well... They have been great like this... And it's cheap cheap easy easy
. Really no need for it; as I said, since I started giving them Lysine on the water every day, the flare ups are a gone - it has been over a year since the last one I think
The other problem with the treats is that Mr. Bugsy is allergic to Chicken and I would bet that like everything else, this thing has chicken in it. Due to allergy/IBD issues both him and Hope are on Z/D; he does eat a fish based dry food though.
 
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Tuna used to make Mandarin ralph horrendously. Now that he is getting older he is tolerating fish more and more. I am very excited about this prospect. Perhaps fish flavor is the way to go because he's never really liked chicken. Linus was the one who went gaga over chicken.

Please I hope this won't happen with Majel. She is SUCH a picky eater. Even pickier than Mandarin. Just tuna, venison and tomato soup for that girl. Everything else she HAS to smell, or is offended because we haven't offered it to her, but she won't eat it.


I know my mom says that you NEVER feed cats human food, but I like to have some options for treats or for emergencies, ya know, like if you HAVE to give them something because they won't eat their food because of mouth issues.
 

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Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker

I think these are all awesome ideas.

Do your kitties tend to wash their paws more or less in the bubbler? For some reason after my kitties use the cat box they like to wash their paws in the water dish. I thought if I put out two they would stop doing it, or do it only in one but I was wrong. But seeing as the powder seems so reasonable may it's not really an issue anyways?
Are their glass bubblers out there? Or some other form that is NOT plastic? Plastic makes Mandarin's chin break out and I don't want to have to deal with his washing his chin again on top of everything. He would NOT be a happy camper about that. Bubblers
There are some ceramic ones and Stainless Steel Drinkwell also has one, Drinkwell 360, Stainless Steel

Is there anyway to test and see if your cats have herpes when you get them so you know for sure they're not shedding the virus? One of my big things for when I brought a new cat home was to make sure that she had ALL of her shots before I even THOUGHT of bringing her home. I wanted to make sure that she didn't have herpes as well, but she could have it and I don't even know it! Raaaaaaaaaaaaarrr... Yes, there is a test... But also know that it is estimated that about 75% + of the shelter kitties have Herpes. It is very very common...

Showered up and brain semi-working but I'm sure I'll come up with many more questions.
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Thanks for the responses. But I guess that just means in the future I'll have a 1/4 chance of not getting herpes because odds are I wouldn't get a non-rescue kitty. There's just too many orphans out there that need mommies and daddies. I wish I had a much bigger place.

Correction... of getting a cat that has herpes. Not ME getting herpes. LOL. "NOW off to bed all of you"... sorry, now I'm quoting my lines from Oliver because my brain really IS going into dreamland.

Night night. Sleep tight. Pray there are no spiders that bite me in my sleep AGAIN... that's something I'll have to ask about later. Catfriendly sprays to get bugs out of my apartment.
 

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Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker

Thanks for the responses. But I guess that just means in the future I'll have a 1/4 chance of not getting herpes because odds are I wouldn't get a non-rescue kitty. There's just too many orphans out there that need mommies and daddies. I wish I had a much bigger place.

Correction... of getting a cat that has herpes. Not ME getting herpes. LOL. "NOW off to bed all of you"... sorry, now I'm quoting my lines from Oliver because my brain really IS going into dreamland.

Night night. Sleep tight. Pray there are no spiders that bite me in my sleep AGAIN... that's something I'll have to ask about later. Catfriendly sprays to get bugs out of my apartment.
Nighty night girl! Saw BIG bugs in the in Iron Mountain
I survived with no ticks (I was at the Pine Mountain/Timberstone Golf Resort). That is a whole other conversation though! Tomorrow is another day!!!
 

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Originally Posted by strange_wings

Metacalm? Supplement type med? I would hope that and not Metacam - your cat would be a bit odd to like the taste of that.


Maybe you can keep the daily interaction... and her chasing you around the room for it, up with a treat instead if she's used to the med on a schedule?

Odd cats.
Routine helps, and ultimately lowers the stressfulness of an event. So I'm sure the OP's kitty could adjust with time.
LOL. It's quite amusing - a cat who actually likes medication.

The vet prescribed Metacalm (anti-inflammatory) to get rid of Uveitis (sp) in her eye - linked to the horrible eye ulcer she's got so she's only on it for a very limited time. Today will be the last dose she gets.

It has worked very well as her eye, which had turned cloudy, is clear now. Just the ulcer to get healed. The vet gave her ointment for her eye which yesterday and today, we have to put in every 2 hours, reducing tomorrow to 4 times daily and hope when she sees the vet on Friday that the ulcer has healed or showing signs of healing, otherwise she will be kept in for surgery where they will stitch her inner eyelid which will act like a Band-Aid and allow the ulcer to heal.

If that doesn't work...well...I'm trying not to think of that.
 
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Awwww Python I hope everything works out well. Talked to my husband this morning already and he was super-concerned about WHEN we can get Mandarin his shots or if he'll be stuck on not being on them forever. I told him this is something we need to talk over with the vet. I mean he didn't go to veterinary college for nothing, right? Gotta trust his opinion. Else that means going to the Iron Mountain Animal Hospital and their priorities are whackadoo so I'm really not into that. I know Dr. Paul at my vet's office tries really hard and means well and has the best bedside manner ever, so I trust him first.

Mandarin's in hiding now, probably knowing the visit is coming. He DID however come out to console me on the toilet when the storm was overhead. He rubbed against my legs as if to tell me, "it's okay, mommy. It's just a storm." Then when he petted me he did it again as to say, "No really, mom. It's okay. It's really just a storm. No scary fireworks." I was rather touched. He hates storms and for him to try and make ME feel better, well that was sweet. And he DETESTS fireworks so it'll be interesting the next few weeks to see if he's finally trying to take care of me in that department like I try to take care of him. He really is an amazing cat.
 

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Originally Posted by LadyHitchhiker

I have the goo form of l-lysine. I tried just offering it to him. He's not interested. I've tried shooting it down his mouth with no success. It does not end up in his mouth no matter how I tried, so I tried mixing it with food. No success. Are there any eye-drop forms of l-lysine? Because for some reason he does well with eye drops. Not his favorite but after the first like two days when his eye's really irritated then after he's like "oh wait, this makes me feel better".
Just get the pure powder and mix it in his wet food. He won't even know it's there, I promise. Tolly, the most finicky cat in the world, actually likes the pure l-lysine powder mixed into his food. It just ads a bit of a salty taste.

I use the Source Naturals powder, I know others here use the NOW brand.
 
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