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post #1 of 44
6/21/10 at 4:03pm
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=136589

Some still question Obama's birth and eligibility to run again for President of the US.
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post #2 of 44
6/21/10 at 7:10pm
I'm no Birther but I would be happy to know what is in his college records that he won't release and would love to know who paid his way through college.

But I know he has an American mother, even though she was a Marxist she was definitely an American, so to me, that makes him a citizen.
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post #3 of 44
6/21/10 at 7:24pm
I'm sure the real truth will come out after 2012 elections. So what will happen if its found out he never was eligible to be president? Does that make all bills passed illegal or void that he signed into law?
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post #4 of 44
6/21/10 at 7:44pm
I suppose the National Enquirer is also "interesting reading."
Ptui, if it were in print I'd be embarrased to allow canaries in a birdcage to drop poop onto it.

Here is how wnd.com describes itself:
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Independent conservative news website with an emphasis on aggressive investigative reporting and gossip.
Once again, some conservatives are allowing themselves to be used by those who would pervert the facts to mae money.
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The topic it pursues with tireless zeal, though, is the claim that Obama was born not in Honolulu but in Africa, and is therefore ineligible to be president. Farah has used his widely followed website to launch an electronic petition demanding proof of Obama's birthplace, a national billboard campaign ("WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?") and more than 400 articles suggesting America's first black president might not be a "natural born" citizen.

If Farah believes Obama is bad for the country, the president has been indisputably good for Farah's business.
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Revenue is on track to hit $10 million annually, Farah says. (That figure could not be independently verified.) His success comes in no small part from the storehouse of "birther" T-shirts, books, DVDs and postcards for sale in his virtual "superstore."
more at the link: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan...ly27-2010jan27

And all because some people do not understand the laws of citizenship in the US. Perhaps they need a basic course in civics?
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post #5 of 44
6/22/10 at 3:39pm
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And all because some people do not understand the laws of citizenship in the US. Perhaps they need a basic course in civics?
Seriously. What part don't they understand? A child born to an American citizen (either parent), anywhere in the world, is a natural born American citizen. My brother was born in Japan, in a Japanese hospital, and when my mom was getting his birth certificate done up she made a joke about him never being president, and the Navy people told her about that law. Do you suppose these people were sleeping that day in civics class? Do you suppose they would be making the same fuss if John McCain won (he was born in Panama)? Weirdos.
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post #6 of 44
6/22/10 at 7:09pm
Both of John McCain's parents were American citizens.

Only one of Barack's parents, his mother was an American citizen, his father, I believe was a Kenyan bigamist. But it doesn't matter because only one parent is required.

I wish people would leave this alone, it is stupid and it is not like anything can be done at this late date, even if they found out for sure he is a Martian.

People equate Birthers with being as whacked as Truthers, I don't equate the two in terms of whackiness but mainstream America does, it seems.
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post #7 of 44
6/23/10 at 10:19am
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People equate Birthers with being as whacked as Truthers, I don't equate the two in terms of whackiness but mainstream America does, it seems.
I love a good conspiricy theory as much as the next person, but they're both wacky if you ask me.
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post #8 of 44
6/27/10 at 7:49am
I don't understand why this is still coming up. Obama's birth certificate was been made available in June of 2008.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
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FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
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post #9 of 44
7/1/10 at 10:03am
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I know there are some who are satisfied in their minds about this issue. Nevertheless it keeps coming up and being rehashed. Now we have three judges on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals who are reviewing this case. If it is a done deal, why does it keep coming up and why are U. S. judges wasting their time on this issue. Certainly something to think about.



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=172889
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post #10 of 44
7/1/10 at 10:35am
If it comes out that he was not eligible to be President (which may take after the 2012 elections), then what happens to all the bills he's signed - especially the health care one. Would that make them ALL null and void?

This might wind up being a good thing!
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post #11 of 44
7/1/10 at 10:45am
More allegations by WorldNetDaily? You'd think a libel suit and a forced retraction were enough.
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post #12 of 44
7/1/10 at 10:52am
I'm not a lawyer, and even I see one glaring error in the statements, allegation, whatever you want to call them.

If the President's mother is American, he is an American citizen, no matter where he was born. Even if another country (say, the country where he is alleged to have been born) confers citizenship on him based on his father's citizenship or his location of birth, he nevertheless retains his right to American citizenship.

The term "natural born citizen" is a term of iffy meaning in today's courts, by the way.
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post #13 of 44
7/1/10 at 10:54am
The WND could print that the sky looked blue and I'd have a hard time believing that, too.
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post #14 of 44
7/1/10 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
The WND could print that the sky looked blue and I'd have a hard time believing that, too.
My wife used to say that about Bill Clinton, too. And she had good evidence to support it!

But every time anything minor happens in these cases, there is a certain portion of the media that blows it up all out of any resemblance to the facts.

That is not to say that we may not eventually discover that they were right. I don't think so, and I know plenty of arch conservatives who also think the whole discussion is a bunch of hot air.
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post #15 of 44
7/1/10 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
My wife used to say that about Bill Clinton, too. And she had good evidence to support it!

But every time anything minor happens in these cases, there is a certain portion of the media that blows it up all out of any resemblance to the facts.

That is not to say that we may not eventually discover that they were right. I don't think so, and I know plenty of arch conservatives who also think the whole discussion is a bunch of hot air.
And I wouldn't doubt her one bit!

The media will blow anything way out of proportion, whether it be conservative or liberal. In this case, I do think they are blowing a lot of hot air. Instead of trying to get things moving again, they're still whining about how the President got elected. (Kind of like how people - me included - whined about how Dubya got elected) Not a good thing. Move on. We've got way more important things to worry about.
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post #16 of 44
7/1/10 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
I know there are some who are satisfied in their minds about this issue. Nevertheless it keeps coming up and being rehashed. Now we have three judges on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals who are reviewing this case. If it is a done deal, why does it keep coming up and why are U. S. judges wasting their time on this issue. Certainly something to think about.



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=172889
You started another thread on the same topic June 21st called Interesting Reading. This was my reply there.
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I don't understand why this is still coming up. Obama's birth certificate was been made available in June of 2008.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

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FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said
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As to why it keeps popping up in the news - I don't know. Probably the same reason I'm still getting emails that lie about Obama (like the glass prison one that is really in another country).
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post #17 of 44
7/1/10 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
If it comes out that he was not eligible to be President (which may take after the 2012 elections), then what happens to all the bills he's signed - especially the health care one. Would that make them ALL null and void?

This might wind up being a good thing!
Read on stoptheaclu.com. They state that these bills would be repealed.
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post #18 of 44
7/1/10 at 12:27pm
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More allegations by WorldNetDaily? You'd think a libel suit and a forced retraction were enough.
This lawsuit doesn't haven't anything to do with Mr. Obama. Don't you think most newspapers have probably faced a suit at some time or another.
Where can I read the news that is really the "Right News" anyway.
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post #19 of 44
7/1/10 at 1:06pm
The suits continue because the allegations of the suits has never been addressed. They have been dismissed because the courts determined it on the lack of standing on the part of the plaintiffs.

I'm not sure what exactly they are looking for unless they want the original to prove it forged or fraud.
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post #20 of 44
7/1/10 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by Winchester View Post
The WND could print that the sky looked blue and I'd have a hard time believing that, too.
So what do you read to get your news. I have asked that question and no body has given me an answer.
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post #21 of 44
7/2/10 at 5:19am
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I don't understand why this is still coming up. Obama's birth certificate was been made available in June of 2008.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
Factcheck.org is supported by the Annenberg Foundation. Obama has ties that go way back with this group. So do Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadette Dohrn. He is responsible for bombing the Pentagon. Now he is an educator at the College of Education at the Univorsity of Illinois, also having ties with the Annenberg Foundation. I don't think I want my information coming from them.

The Governor of Hawaii supposedly sealed Obama's birth certificate. If that be true, how has anybody seen it or touched it. I read a lot of this at cnn.org.
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post #22 of 44
7/2/10 at 8:40am
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Factcheck.org is supported by the Annenberg Foundation. Obama has ties that go way back with this group. So do Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadette Dohrn. He is responsible for bombing the Pentagon. Now he is an educator at the College of Education at the Univorsity of Illinois, also having ties with the Annenberg Foundation. I don't think I want my information coming from them.
That's a little misleading. Yes, Obama and Ayers were both involved with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge some years ago; this was a project to improve Chicago public schools.

However, the Annenberg Foundation is a very large philanthropic organization with numerous ongoing projects. I'm sure a great many people of all political stripes have connections to them. (In fact, Walter and Leonore Annenberg had close ties to Ronald and Nancy Reagan, both professionally and socially.)
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post #23 of 44
7/2/10 at 11:17am
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That's a little misleading. Yes, Obama and Ayers were both involved with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge some years ago; this was a project to improve Chicago public schools.

However, the Annenberg Foundation is a very large philanthropic organization with numerous ongoing projects. I'm sure a great many people of all political stripes have connections to them. (In fact, Walter and Leonore Annenberg had close ties to Ronald and Nancy Reagan, both professionally and socially.)
Obama channeled money through the Woods Project sponsored by this foundation to Trinity United Church, better known as the church of Jeremiah Wright. It is abdominable that a president of the United States has deep ties with such a person as Ayers. Obviously this foundation has gone south since its connections to the Reagans. Yahoo calls Fatcheck a liberal mouthpiece.
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post #24 of 44
7/2/10 at 11:44am
Leonore Annenberg supported McCain in the last presidential election. She died in 2009.

The articles on Factcheck.org show that politicians on both sides of the aisle are guilty of stretching the truth. Is it acting as a "liberal mouthpiece" when it calls out Democrats for doing so? Or does it just criticize Democrats as a cover for its secret, anti-conservative mission?

If you refuse not to credit Factcheck, fine, but there's just no evidence that it's a shill for the Obama administration or the Democratic party.
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post #25 of 44
7/2/10 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post

The Governor of Hawaii supposedly sealed Obama's birth certificate. If that be true, how has anybody seen it or touched it. I read a lot of this at cnn.org.
Well, since it's Obama's certificate, I guess he's entitled to it.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
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Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago.
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Originally Posted by motoko9
Leonore Annenberg supported McCain in the last presidential election. She died in 2009.

The articles on Factcheck.org show that politicians on both sides of the aisle are guilty of stretching the truth. Is it acting as a "liberal mouthpiece" when it calls out Democrats for doing so? Or does it just criticize Democrats as a cover for its secret, anti-conservative mission?

If you refuse not to credit Factcheck, fine, but there's just no evidence that it's a shill for the Obama administration or the Democratic party.
Thank you!
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post #26 of 44
7/3/10 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by motoko9 View Post
Leonore Annenberg supported McCain in the last presidential election. She died in 2009.

The articles on Factcheck.org show that politicians on both sides of the aisle are guilty of stretching the truth. Is it acting as a "liberal mouthpiece" when it calls out Democrats for doing so? Or does it just criticize Democrats as a cover for its secret, anti-conservative mission?

If you refuse not to credit Factcheck, fine, but there's just no evidence that it's a shill for the Obama administration or the Democratic party.
Everybody has an opinion, don't they. So far, everytime I have given a source someone shoots it down. So don't get offensive because I shoot down Factcheck. I doubt there are any absolute sources of truth on the internet. Most of what we read, be it on the web, or in the newspaper leans toward the beliefs of who wrote it with the truth lying somewhere in between.
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post #27 of 44
7/3/10 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
Everybody has an opinion, don't they. So far, everytime I have given a source someone shoots it down. So don't get offensive because I shoot down Factcheck. I doubt there are any absolute sources of truth on the internet. Most of what we read, be it on the web, or in the newspaper leans toward the beliefs of who wrote it with the truth lying somewhere in between.
Hear! hear!
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post #28 of 44
7/3/10 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
Everybody has an opinion, don't they. So far, everytime I have given a source someone shoots it down. So don't get offensive because I shoot down Factcheck. I doubt there are any absolute sources of truth on the internet. Most of what we read, be it on the web, or in the newspaper leans toward the beliefs of who wrote it with the truth lying somewhere in between.
Don't worry, I'm not offended (and I wasn't trying to be offensive). I agree that no publication can claim complete objectivity, although I do believe some try harder than others.

What I'm objecting to is rumors with no basis in truth, e.g., because two liberals worked on one of many, many projects funded by a huge foundation 10 years ago, the entire organization is somehow conspiring to support liberals or lie about Obama's birth certificate. As I said, the Factcheck site is critical of both liberals and conservatives, so I don't see any evidence for the "liberal mouthpiece" charge.

Then again, I guess the willingness the believe in such conspiracy theories is at the heart of this thread.
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post #29 of 44
7/3/10 at 7:33am
Here's an interview you should listen to. If this guy isn't credible, no one is.

Bartle Bull interview

He says that this is the first time the US national government has stood on the side of those breaking the law against voter intimidation, and he says that it was all part of the Democrats effort to keep poll watchers from challenging fraudulent voters.
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post #30 of 44
7/3/10 at 7:54am
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Here's an interview you should listen to. If this guy isn't credible, no one is.

Bartle Bull interview

He says that this is the first time the US national government has stood on the side of those breaking the law against voter intimidation, and he says that it was all part of the Democrats effort to keep poll watchers from challenging fraudulent voters.
May I ask what makes him more credible than others?
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