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Illegals and Their Rights to Fair Wages

post #1 of 14
6/21/10 at 3:48pm
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post #2 of 14
6/21/10 at 4:10pm
Not that it's super important, but in the area I live in, I often strongly suspect the illegals working for groceries get paid in food (partially) to supplement low wages. I have no proof, so I pretty much keep that to myself, and I'm not hot and bothered by it. But this thread lets me throw it out there in case anybody has a comment.
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post #3 of 14
6/21/10 at 4:14pm
Now here, me and they have to disagree. Illegal immigrants have the same human rights that we all enjoy...but wages? Where is that in the playbook?
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post #4 of 14
6/21/10 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by c1atsite View Post
Not that it's super important, but in the area I live in, I often strongly suspect the illegals working for groceries get paid in food (partially) to supplement low wages. I have no proof, so I pretty much keep that to myself, and I'm not hot and bothered by it. But this thread lets me throw it out there in case anybody has a comment.
There is a "Fried Chicken" chain covering 2 or 3 states in this area, a relatively smallish outfit. They're workers are "allowed" to take home any food not sold at closing time. It's very possible that's the same deal.

Makes me wonder how much chicken is fried 30 minutes before closing.
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post #5 of 14
6/21/10 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post

Makes me wonder how much chicken is fried 30 minutes before closing.
Deep-fried foods right before bedtime equals a bigger waistline when you wake up! Children included! (Bet you those workers are feeding their kids that chicken!) Sadly, high-quality nutrient-rich foods aren't cheap and people do what it takes to survive in a rough economy.
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post #6 of 14
6/21/10 at 4:34pm
Honestly, I have no problems with illegals, or anyone for that matter, working for food, room and board, whatever. That is close to the bartering system used way back when (you fix my roof, I'll give you 3 chickens). Some close neighborhoods still do that. And, I'll be honest, I would rather pay someone in food where I'm pretty certain it will go into his/her belly (and the families) rather than cash that might get blown on drugs, alcohol or gambling. I'm not talking just illegals here, I'm talking anyone.

But, that also brings up the responsibilities of the business. It's one thing to have someone build you a fence and you pay them with beer and a good meal. It's another to have someone working in an industrial setting and not being on the payroll. If an injury occurs that is major ground for a lawsuit, illegal or not, isn't it? Or wouldn't the person report it and seek attention because, they are indeed, here illegally?

I don't think illegals should get fair pay....I don't think they should be hired at all because, well, they are ILLEGAL!! I completely agree with human rights, but since they are ILLEGAL they don't deserve the same rights I have as a US citizen. I'm sorry, but finding a better life or not, they are criminals from the moment they crossed that boarder, but we as law abiding tax payers are forced to support them. Something is just not right there.
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post #7 of 14
6/21/10 at 4:36pm
Like skippymjp wrote, basic human rights, yes, everyone should have them.
Other than that, illegals have no rights IMHO. The people who they work for should pay them according to the amount of work they do, but they often do not. That is the price they pay for being ILLEGAL. They always have the right to go back where they came from.
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post #8 of 14
6/21/10 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
I don't think illegals should get fair pay....I don't think they should be hired at all because, well, they are ILLEGAL!! I completely agree with human rights, but since they are ILLEGAL they don't deserve the same rights I have as a US citizen. I'm sorry, but finding a better life or not, they are criminals from the moment they crossed that boarder, but we as law abiding tax payers are forced to support them. Something is just not right there.
Thank you Calico. I totally agree. Excuse me but for some reason, I don't think they have a right to work in this country if they are not legal citizens. I thought they had to furnish proof of citizenship before they could be hired. Otherwise how can they pay into the system (I am talking Social Security and Medicare) if they are not legal citizens with a Social Security number.
I think people who hire illegal immigrants should have some debt to pay for hiring them in the first place.
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post #9 of 14
6/21/10 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
Thank you Calico. I totally agree. Excuse me but for some reason, I don't think they have a right to work in this country if they are not legal citizens. I thought they had to furnish proof of citizenship before they could be hired. Otherwise how can they pay into the system (I am talking Social Security and Medicare) if they are not legal citizens with a Social Security number.
I think people who hire illegal immigrants should have some debt to pay for hiring them in the first place.
I have said this before, and I'll say it again. The PROBLEM with this is that the illegals can BUY COUNTERFEIT SOCIAL SECURITY CARDS just about anywhere, and it appears that the government and law enforcement just doesn't care. It IS NOT THE FAULT of employers for hiring someone based on a counterfeit SS card. Employers are not trained in document forgery. And the law is against an employer who REFUSES to hire a qualified person because the employer *THINKS* the applicant MAY be illegal! Until our government gets serious about going after the phony document mills and treating them with the same gusto as they do money counterfeiters, then there will be no end to this problem. It is NOT the fault of prospective employers, who ask to see the "papers" of prospective employees, but are presented with phony documents. Oh, and forget the SS "E-Verify" program. Try to sign up for it, and you will see what I mean.
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post #10 of 14
6/21/10 at 11:38pm
Actually, that makes good sense. If employers are required to pay ALL employees, legal or not, the fair wages, then they lose the advantage of hiring illegals in the first place And that makes it better for those people here legally who are willing to do that job at that price, not to mention safer for the employers who risk stiff fines if caught hiring illegals.
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post #11 of 14
6/22/10 at 10:03am
I believe the only thing illegals have a right to is immediate deportation (at their own expense, of course!)
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post #12 of 14
6/22/10 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
Actually, that makes good sense. If employers are required to pay ALL employees, legal or not, the fair wages, then they lose the advantage of hiring illegals in the first place And that makes it better for those people here legally who are willing to do that job at that price, not to mention safer for the employers who risk stiff fines if caught hiring illegals.
That was my reaction, too; the logical consequence of enforcing more "equal" wages would be less hiring of illegal aliens.
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post #13 of 14
6/22/10 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
That was my reaction, too; the logical consequence of enforcing more "equal" wages would be less hiring of illegal aliens.
That was the first thing that popped into my head...equal pay removes the incentive which would reduce the demand for illegals, which according to basic economics should tend to reduce the supply of illegals.
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post #14 of 14
6/22/10 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by ebrillblaiddes View Post
That was the first thing that popped into my head...equal pay removes the incentive which would reduce the demand for illegals, which according to basic economics should tend to reduce the supply of illegals.
Then Ms. Solis and her camp are shooting themselves in the foot I gather. Or rather I should say some factions of her camp. Not necessarily her herself.
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