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I Can't Believe the Coast Guard Did This

post #1 of 29
6/17/10 at 7:06pm
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http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spil...ry?id=10946379


I just can't believe they did this. If they had to know the number of life jackets, why didn't they just board them and count. Time is passing on by and the oil just keeps coming.
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post #2 of 29
6/17/10 at 7:17pm
Sounds about par for the course for the Obama administration.
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post #3 of 29
6/17/10 at 7:24pm
Since when is the Coast Guard the same thing as the Obama administration?
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post #4 of 29
6/17/10 at 7:26pm
Silly me, here I thought Barack was President of the United States.
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post #5 of 29
6/17/10 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
Since when is the Coast Guard the same thing as the Obama administration?
Mr Obama is President, Commander in Chief and the Coast Guard takes orders from him.
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post #6 of 29
6/17/10 at 10:43pm
Hmmm. It would appear that there are people posting that have absolutely no idea how the Coast Guard works.
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post #7 of 29
6/18/10 at 2:32am
In peace time, the Coast Guard is run under the Department of Homeland Security. In war, it is under the Department of the Navy.

Either way, Obama would be the go to guy.
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post #8 of 29
6/18/10 at 4:30am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Hmmm. It would appear that there are people posting that have absolutely no idea how the Coast Guard works.
Obviously!
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post #9 of 29
6/18/10 at 4:49am
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If the Coast Guard really thought there was not sufficient safety equipment, why would they just not send one ship with two men to board them. They could have taken extra equipment with them in case it was needed. Instead they were hindering instead of helping. They were counting life preservers while the oil just kept on coming. Guess what. This is the same bureautic mess that some want running their health care.

If everything is full as far as places to store oil, the price would be cut in half. It is currently $75.71 a barrel. Everyone but the US is drilling everywhere they can.
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post #10 of 29
6/18/10 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by farleyv View Post
In peace time, the Coast Guard is run under the Department of Homeland Security. In war, it is under the Department of the Navy.

Either way, Obama would be the go to guy.
So you're saying that every issue that comes up in every carrier battle group, every division, every squadron...has to be run by the President for his input? There isn't one armed branch of the US Government that works this way. But I suppose it makes a good political fantasy, so have at it.
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post #11 of 29
6/18/10 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
If the Coast Guard really thought there was not sufficient safety equipment, why would they just not send one ship with two men to board them. They could have taken extra equipment with them in case it was needed. Instead they were hindering instead of helping. They were counting life preservers while the oil just kept on coming. Guess what. This is the same bureautic mess that some want running their health care.

If everything is full as far as places to store oil, the price would be cut in half. It is currently $75.71 a barrel. Everyone but the US is drilling everywhere they can.
Boarding operations? In light boats, with outboard motors, that emit hot exhaust just beneath the water's surface? In a lake of flammable liquid? To you, this is a good idea? Or perhaps a helicopter, whose rotor blades generate so much static electricity that when picking up objects on the surface, they have to drop a tether to discharge (spark) the charge. What would you suggest they strike a spark on in that situation? A barge full of crude?

Additionally, the prospect of makeshift vessels likely with inadequate fire protection...in a lake of crude oil...this is ok with you? In the event of one or more of their amateur oil suckers getting into distress or starting a massive surface fire, how do you think rescue operations are going to work? That's the Coast Guards business...supplying freebie safety equipment is not.
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post #12 of 29
6/18/10 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
Obviously!
Perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten us ignoramuses on the subject of the Coast Guard taking orders from the guy who said he was "on this".

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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
So you're saying that every issue that comes up in every carrier battle group, every division, every squadron...has to be run by the President for his input? There isn't one armed branch of the US Government that works this way. But I suppose it makes a good political fantasy, so have at it.
Nope, not "every issue" that comes up, but THIS issue, the hugest ecological disaster in the history of this country that Barack SAID is his TOP priority, your darned straight it needs to be subject to Barack. He is the only POTUS we have, such as he is.

No one even insinuated "every issue", that is your spin, IMO.

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post #13 of 29
6/18/10 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten us ignoramuses on the subject of the Coast Guard taking orders from the guy who said he was "on this".



Nope, not "every issue" that comes up, but THIS issue, the hugest ecological disaster in the history of this country that Barack SAID is his TOP priority, your darned straight it needs to be subject to Barack. He is the only POTUS we have, such as he is.

No one even insinuated "every issue", that is your spin, IMO.
Of course they did...see!
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post #14 of 29
6/18/10 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Of course they did...see!
Talking about the spill and the spill only, but then you know that. But nice try.
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post #15 of 29
6/18/10 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Talking about the spill and the spill only, but then you know that. But nice try.
Well fine...if you want to give the credit to Obama, then so be it. It was the right move in light of the high volume of methane gas involved. Those barges with their improvised pumping systems and amateur crews were perfect candidates to turn the north Gulf into a lake of fire. But, Obama ordered the Coast Guard to ensure that they were operating safely, and quite probably saved the day.

Yay Obama.
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post #16 of 29
6/18/10 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Boarding operations? In light boats, with outboard motors, that emit hot exhaust just beneath the water's surface? In a lake of flammable liquid? To you, this is a good idea? Or perhaps a helicopter, whose rotor blades generate so much static electricity that when picking up objects on the surface, they have to drop a tether to discharge (spark) the charge. What would you suggest they strike a spark on in that situation? A barge full of crude?

Additionally, the prospect of makeshift vessels likely with inadequate fire protection...in a lake of crude oil...this is ok with you? In the event of one or more of their amateur oil suckers getting into distress or starting a massive surface fire, how do you think rescue operations are going to work? That's the Coast Guards business...supplying freebie safety equipment is not.
Have you ever tried to set crude oil on fire. It is not like gasoline. Get a clue.
As for the safety equipment, that is what they should have been doing. They needed all the help they could get, no an adversarial relationship. Like I said previously, this is an emergency. Get the Bureaucracy out of the way.
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post #17 of 29
6/18/10 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Well fine...if you want to give the credit to Obama, then so be it. It was the right move in light of the high volume of methane gas involved. Those barges with their improvised pumping systems and amateur crews were perfect candidates to turn the north Gulf into a lake of fire. But, Obama ordered the Coast Guard to ensure that they were operating safely, and quite probably saved the day.

Yay Obama.
They must have trained those amateur crews in one day because they turned them loose and let them go back to what they were doing. Yay Jindel.
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post #18 of 29
6/18/10 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
Have you ever tried to set crude oil on fire. It is not like gasoline. Get a clue.
As for the safety equipment, that is what they should have been doing. They needed all the help they could get, no an adversarial relationship. Like I said previously, this is an emergency. Get the Bureaucracy out of the way.
Have you ever seen methane burn? Get a clue.

And ignited methane concentration would be just like putting a gas torch to the oil on the surface. The Coast Guard's mission is safety. Mission accomplished.
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post #19 of 29
6/18/10 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
They must have trained those amateur crews in one day because they turned them loose and let them go back to what they were doing. Yay Jindel.
They also let people that have never driven a boat before in their lives on the water...ONCE they've proven they have the proper safety equipment. Which, is just what they did here.
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post #20 of 29
6/18/10 at 1:51pm
Am I reading this wrong, because to me it looks like as soon as the Obama administration was notified, the clean-up resumed.
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The governor said he didn't have the authority to overrule the Coast Guard's decision, though he said he tried to reach the White House to raise his concerns.
"They promised us they were going to get it done as quickly as possible," he said. But "every time you talk to someone different at the Coast Guard, you get a different answer."

After Jindal strenuously made his case, the barges finally got the go-ahead Thursday to return to the Gulf and get back to work, after more than 24 hours of sitting idle.

But by Friday morning the Coast Guard had brought two more vacuum barges to halt, saying that they still were not compliant with safety concerns.

According to Plaquemines Parish officials, the White House found out about the boats being halted and spoke to the Coast Guard, informing them that from this point forward the Coast Guard can not interfere with cleanup operations, only make suggestions on safety concerns. Within a few hours, the barges were back in operation.
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post #21 of 29
6/18/10 at 2:11pm
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Am I reading this wrong, because to me it looks like as soon as the Obama administration was notified, the clean-up resumed.
Yeah, it just takes 48-72 hours to get through to the White House. Barack is a busy dude you know

Hey Skippy, I guess those safety concerns were not that serious.
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post #22 of 29
6/18/10 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Yeah, it just takes 48-72 hours to get through to the White House. Barack is a busy dude you know

Hey Skippy, I guess those safety concerns were not that serious.
I would imagine that 48-72 hours is good time on getting something through the Whitehouse. The entire rest of the world is still going on, ya' know.

Being ordered to suspend enforcement operations doesn't make safety concerns any less serious...it makes them ignored, and therefore, even more dangerous.
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post #23 of 29
6/18/10 at 2:18pm
A lack of concern for safety is what led to this gigantic mess in the first place.
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post #24 of 29
6/18/10 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
A lack of concern for safety is what led to this gigantic mess in the first place.
Exactly. And if a safety mishap occurred, guess who would be the one to be blamed by some people? Yup, Obama.

This sure is a no win situation.
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post #25 of 29
6/18/10 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Exactly. And if a safety mishap occurred, guess who would be the one to be blamed by some people? Yup, Obama.

This sure is a no win situation.
Not to mention that the Coast Guard would have to send it's people into harm's way to attempt to rescue the very people who's safety they could have ensured in the first place, if they had been allowed too.
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post #26 of 29
6/18/10 at 7:18pm
What is that old saying about, "fiddling while Rome burns"?

Oh yes, definition,
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To occupy oneself with unimportant matters and neglect priorities during a crisis.
That sounds about right, Paul McCartney and Barack "fiddled" quite a bit.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/f...ome-burns.html
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post #27 of 29
6/18/10 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
What is that old saying about, "fiddling while Rome burns"?

Oh yes, definition,

That sounds about right, Paul McCartney and Barack "fiddled" quite a bit.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/f...ome-burns.html
So, if the safety and welfare of people and property is an "unimportant matter"...why bother trying to clean up at all?
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post #28 of 29
6/18/10 at 8:59pm
Yeah, just let the oil go wherever, don't clean it up, just leave it alone and blame Bush, sounds like a plan to me.
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post #29 of 29
6/19/10 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Yeah, just let the oil go wherever, don't clean it up, just leave it alone and blame Bush, sounds like a plan to me.
So you really ARE saying that the safety and welfare of people is an unimportant matter?
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