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post #31 of 43
6/16/10 at 6:28pm
Ooh, this is kind of amazing. We were just discussing in another thread how the US could be a Christian nation when Christianity is so divided.

Well, that might be changing. Numerous Christian groups have formed an alliance; Protestants, Evangelicals and Catholics. Wow! Getting themselves on the same page with all their ducks in a row.

And their first order of business. Denouncing Arizona's new anti-immigration law and demanding Immigration Reform. Wow again!

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Those signs, he said, have placed a vulnerable population at risk. Because of them, the faith community has responded clearly by saying that "'enforcement without reform is cruel, enforcement without compassion is immoral, enforcement [that] breaks up families is unacceptable to us, enforcement that makes Christian ministry illegal' – and the Arizona law makes Christian ministry illegal – and pastors feel that and know that and have said, 'We will disobey these laws.'
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People often retreat to their worst sensibilities when they feel threatened, and this debate has evoked threat, said Jefferts Schori. "The reality, however, is that as much as the United States thinks it's a Christian nation, there is a large segment of the population who are not affiliated with any religious tradition, particularly in the West."

Rodriguez asked: "How can a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values support slavery, and how did we tolerate segregation for so long?"

"There is this threat imbedded in our DNA that really prompts and provokes those committed to faith to push back," he continued. "There is a disconnect between the pulpit and the pew. I believe the majority of faith leaders in this nation are in support of immigration reform … but the pew is completely disconnected. The pew is still listening to the demagoguery from political pundits, certain cable-news networks … and in light of our current economy … it's looking at the immigrant and the ‘other.’"

It took years, Rodriguez said, to convince Evangelicals to support immigration reform. Arizona, Wallis said, is now to Hispanic clergy what Selma, Alabama, was to African-American clergy in the 1960s.

Protestants, Evangelicals and Catholics form atypical alliance on immigration reform
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post #32 of 43
6/16/10 at 6:28pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPrl4P9AcrQ
Obama Gives Part of Arizona to Mexico

Now blaming only Barack for this is not fair, the fault lies with all of us.

But it is pretty bad when there are parts of Arizona that American's dare not step foot in.
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post #33 of 43
6/16/10 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
That is due to failures with the system. Not about people. ETA: If they are here "just to suck off the system"...then who is working all these jobs that supposedly were "taken from Americans"? Are they working all the jobs AND sucking? Yes, many are. They use counterfeit SS cards, claim 15 dependents, file a tax return and collect a "unearned" tax credit of $4500, while using Food Stamps, welfare for the 13 or so kids, get free education, crowd up our Emergency Rooms for a case of sniffles. For over 3 years I worked in an industry that employed these people. I saw it first hand.



Those are criminals...not immigrants.



Those are terrorists...not immigrants.
But people who want us to look the other way and not enforce the borders and our laws, and people who protest the AZ law, are inviting in the terrorists and the criminals in the guise of immigrants. Why don't you get that? Enforcing the law and strengthening our border security will help to keep the criminals and the terrorists out. You want us to have a sign saying "Welcome illegal immigrants, but criminals and terrorists, keep out" ?

Mike, I KNOW you are smarter than that! But I think you just like to argue the ridiculous POV.
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post #34 of 43
6/16/10 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
But people who want us to look the other way and not enforce the borders and our laws, and people who protest the AZ law, are inviting in the terrorists and the criminals in the guise of immigrants. Why don't you get that? Enforcing the law and strengthening our border security will help to keep the criminals and the terrorists out. You want us to have a sign saying "Welcome illegal immigrants, but criminals and terrorists, keep out" ?

Mike, I KNOW you are smarter than that! But I think you just like to argue the ridiculous POV.
If the system is being played, then wouldn't it make more sense to reform the system than to put troops on the borders? The reason being, I can just about guarantee that there are 4 times as many citizens playing the system as well.

Unless you literally transform all the nations borders into a local version of the Korean DMZ, you're not going to keep them out. The police are going to have to get back into the business of catching criminals instead of just blaming everything on illegal immigrants.
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post #35 of 43
6/16/10 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
If the system is being played, then wouldn't it make more sense to reform the system than to put troops on the borders? The reason being, I can just about guarantee that there are 4 times as many citizens playing the system as well.

Unless you literally transform all the nations borders into a local version of the Korean DMZ, you're not going to keep them out. The police are going to have to get back into the business of catching criminals instead of just blaming everything on illegal immigrants.
The AZ police and the border agents are TRYING to catch criminals, but they are twarted by the stupid protesters who accuse them of profiling! It just so happens that many of the criminals that are crossing the border look Hispanic. Amazing, isn't it? And if they are crossing illegally, doesn't that automatically make them criminals?
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post #36 of 43
6/16/10 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
The AZ police and the border agents are TRYING to catch criminals, but they are twarted by the stupid protesters who accuse them of profiling! It just so happens that many of the criminals that are crossing the border look Hispanic. Amazing, isn't it? And if they are crossing illegally, doesn't that automatically make them criminals?
The accusations of profiling are well founded in history. Chandler, Az, 1997. They did it once, they'll do it again if given the "go ahead".

BTW, once all the illegally "deported" Hispanic US Citizens made it home and sued, the city of Chandler lost millions and had to promise to never be bad again.
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post #37 of 43
6/16/10 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
That is due to failures with the system. Not about people. ETA: If they are here "just to suck off the system"...then who is working all these jobs that supposedly were "taken from Americans"? Are they working all the jobs AND sucking?



Those are criminals...not immigrants.



Those are terrorists...not immigrants.
And in this topsy-turvy country, the last government and now this "new" government welcome the terrorists with open arms. We just granted entry to yet another one who arrived here illegally a couple of weeks ago.

It's the "Human Rights Act" you see. Unwanted by the population but forced through Parliament by Tony Blair, ex Prime Minister (or BLiar as he's more commonly known). Because of that Act, the illegals and terrorists that come here have to be protected. Of course, Bliar's wife is a Lawyer. That is why they are buying properties all over the place with £multi million price tags on them. Bought and paid for by us mugs, the taxpayers.

Lawyers are making £millions out of it, fleecing the taxpayer by lodging appeal after appeal to keep these terrorists in this country, the excuse being that if they were returned to the country of their origin, they would end up possibly being killed. Nothing said about the people THEY have already killed though. Where were their victims human rights?

Same here with our own home grown criminals. Their "human rights" are put before those of their victims.

Incidentally, Legal Aid is what people who can't afford to pay for Lawyers to fight their cases get paid for by the State.
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post #38 of 43
6/16/10 at 8:08pm
If they are crossing ILLEGALLY, then they are CRIMINALS. Period. And as such, they deserve to be jailed or deported. We won't. But we SHOULD.
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post #39 of 43
6/17/10 at 3:03am
Look up the Frankfurt School.

Many people have never heard of it. I only learned about it about a year ago.

Some of the aims of those trained in the Frankfurt School are:

Political Correctness.

Encourage single parents (thus destroying the family unit).

Create a benefit state where people are reliant on the State to survive.

And that's only for starters. I was trying to find the site that lists the philosophies of the Frankfurt School for easy reference and at the moment can't find it (off to work in a short while) but here's one site to have a look at.

http://www.academia.org/the-origins-...l-correctness/

Google a search on the Frankfurt School and there is a lot of information.

Have a read and does it sound familiar? If so, be afraid, be very afraid.
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post #40 of 43
6/17/10 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by Python View Post
Look up the Frankfurt School.

Many people have never heard of it. I only learned about it about a year ago.

Some of the aims of those trained in the Frankfurt School are:

Political Correctness.

Encourage single parents (thus destroying the family unit).

Create a benefit state where people are reliant on the State to survive.

And that's only for starters. I was trying to find the site that lists the philosophies of the Frankfurt School for easy reference and at the moment can't find it (off to work in a short while) but here's one site to have a look at.

http://www.academia.org/the-origins-...l-correctness/

Google a search on the Frankfurt School and there is a lot of information.

Have a read and does it sound familiar? If so, be afraid, be very afraid.
There are numerous Marxist schools in the US as well. They're almost entirely overlooked by everyone except the hopelessly paranoid.
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post #41 of 43
6/18/10 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
There are numerous Marxist schools in the US as well. They're almost entirely overlooked by everyone except the hopelessly paranoid.
Maybe they're overlooked because they tend to keep low profile, preferring to change things through insidious social engineering (as has happened in this country).

Many of us here cannot believe how much things have changed - and not for the better - in such a short space of time without us really realising what was going on until it jumped up and bit us
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post #42 of 43
6/18/10 at 7:02pm
Python, I just heard what is going on in London today. Horrible stuff. I think I'll start a thread about it.

I see Hillary was down in Ecuador yesterday and she announced, in Ecuador, not the United States, that the Obama administration will file a lawsuit against the State of Arizona.

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer is fit to be tied.
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post #43 of 43
6/19/10 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Python, I just heard what is going on in London today. Horrible stuff. I think I'll start a thread about it.

I see Hillary was down in Ecuador yesterday and she announced, in Ecuador, not the United States, that the Obama administration will file a lawsuit against the State of Arizona.

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer is fit to be tied.
Err, what is going on in London? I've just tried to find info and can't find anything...the usual here when the government doesn't want the public to know..

but... I did find this. I am sickened and sad but this is another thing that is getting more common in this country due to the lax laws and penalties where criminals and evil-doers are rewarded for their crimes.

Read and weep

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk...6908-22344363/

This is the sick society we have bred.

Poor, poor, poor cat

How can anyone be so evil and cruel - and infront of a child too. Beggars belief and the most the swine will get is a maximum of 6 months and a measly fine
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