Illegal Immigrants - tallying up the costs

I received the following in email:

The solution to many many of today's problems!

I, Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a
column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament"- 10/25/07.

I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting
Denver last week. Hernandez said, "illegal aliens pay rent, buy
groceries, buy clothes. What Happens to your country's economy if 20
million people go away?"

Hummm, I thought, what would happen, so I did my due diligence, buried
my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below.

It's a good question it deserves an honest answer. Over 80% of
Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But
what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The
answers I found may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it
would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school
systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave
highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand
one another as English became the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and
grandchildren would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico. That would
save Colorado an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion)
annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and
incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of
Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the
terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens.
Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not
have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% dropout/flunk rate
because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different
languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our grid locked
cities in Colorado. Denver's 4% unemployment rate would vanish as our
working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back
to America, the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free
experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would
return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American
citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of
taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would
result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected
annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in
American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that
degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded
schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost
of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more
than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members
who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our
country.

In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would
vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft
from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways
and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American
deaths by illegal aliens!

America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get
rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home
countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money
untaxed, which further drains America 's economy which currently
suffers an $8.7 trillion debt. $8.7 trillion debt.

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country,
costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in
California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of
being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the
EMTOLA Act.

Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant
in our country-brought in by illegals un-screened at our borders.

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and
grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the
horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11% of our
greenhouse gases.

Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and
along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in
what the New York Times called, 'colonias' or new neighborhoods.
Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where
grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and
worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, roads,
electricity, or any kind of sanitation.

The New York Times reported them to be America's new 'Third World'
inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate,
they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them
personally in Texas and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you
can imagine.)

By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico. We
should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries
and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million
people into our country legally more than all other countries combined
annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more
anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in
our nation. It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our
civilization and our way of life.

Interesting Statistics!

Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope
they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many
times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare
to illegal aliens.(that's Billion with a 'B')

2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance
programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal
aliens.

3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they still cannot
speak a word of English!

5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal
aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a year.

7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for
welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. -

9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in
the US.

11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were
middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine,
meth, heroine, crack, Guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S.from
the southern border.

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin, to their families and friends.

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex
crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!


Total cost a whopping $538.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!

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My comments in blue

Ok, I admit that I do not understand some of the original post. I am floored by the parts I do understand. I want to know why these illegals are able to get social services, such as Medicaid when they do not have a social security number. I have no access to health insurance, and have been being turned down repeatedly for adult Medicaid for the past 3 years since I lost my health insurance. If I do not get the treatment I need, I will be dead within 3 years. How can they justify that? I am far from the only one.
We have several hundred homeless Americans, many of them veterans, just in Jacksonville alone. This is the city that has the biggest USMC base on the east coast, yet there are homeless vets living in the woods by the memorials while illegals are getting section 8 to have access to some of the best neighborhoods in town.
We just found out yesterday that yet another of our drivers may be replaced by a spanish speaking driver if he can get his permits. He barely speaks English, but he speaks spanish. The ones we have are already taking over a lot of the business because they pitched in and bought a cab for next to nothing and it runs 24/7 on one set of permits instead of the 2-3 required, one for each driver. They all use the same one so they pay one dispatch, one insurance bill, one base sticker. We are hoping the authorities will notice this soon, or have a random inspection, because nobody wants to be the one to snitch them out and possibly get dispatched to a dark alley sometime.
They are costing us too much and ignoring our laws. Send them back where they came from and send a bleeding heart that feels sorry them back with each one. That should free up some space and jobs.

Want to know why they get care? Because they know that America is a hand-out society now - not like originally where people came to this country and actually WORKED hard for what they got. Once the government started handing out money, many people developed the welfare mind - where they could get anything they wanted but didn't have to work for it.

Most every hospital will not turn away a person for treatment because you can't pay. So many go to the ER just because they have a cold..........and who foots that bill? You got it - the rest of us taxpayers!

Hmm, an old piece of American Resistance Foundation propaganda. I'm sure we can put a lot of stock in those figures.

I can't vouch for the figures in the original post. Can you? Got a link? Didn't think so.

My post at least makes some sense. I don't get the first post at all. Makes no sense to me.

We have a huge problem with illegal immigrants in the UK too - and also a huge immigration problem thanks to our previous government's "open door" policy, designed to keep themselves in power - by their own admission. Our new "coalition" government doesn't seem to be any better either.

Our own people cannot get social housing. Most is given to people newly arrived in this country.

Immigrants are put above the law. If an immigrant commits an offence against one of our own people, he/she gets off with it. Often the police won't even get involved but we just have to call an immigrant a name and we face up to 8 years in jail!

We daren't speak out against the immigration problem for fear of being branded "racist".

We have a lot of problems with Muslims in this country. They are being allowed to do as they please, say as they please, incite racial hatred, incitement to violence and get away with it. Only today there is a big article in the national newspapers. Worth reading because this could be heading your way:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-violent.html

The vast majority of our people did not want to go to war, especially an illegal war based on a load of lies.

The protestors claim our soldiers were "on Muslim land". No they weren't. They were on English land - our land, our own country. This is what the UK has become. A place where there are so many "no-go" areas where you risk your life if you dare to walk down what was once our streets, in our towns and cities.

It is also very unfair to immigrants who have come to this country, settled, worked hard and integrated with the rest of us. They too are very worried about the future.

Living in the UK has become a nightmare - and it's getting worse. If I could leave, I would but I'm too old and too poor now.

Please, my American friends. Don't let this happen to your country.


Those who dare to speak out against what is happening in our country are branded "racist thugs" (even though they've never hit anyone in their lives) and usually find they lose their jobs, are intimidated, often with violence and end up losing everything.

It's all very well helping other people, but not at the expense of the indigenous peoples of our countries.

I don't know you,, but you are a person after my own heart. I agree. Send them all back where they come from. Another thing that I am so tired of is all the junk that comes printed in another language with everything we buy now. I guarantee if we go to another country, nobody is going to care less if we understand what is going on or can read anything there or not. America spends too much money printing all the garbage for people who ought to learn English if they want to live here. Also, I am tired of calling a number for assistance with something, needing to ask questions and get answers and being connected with that person who speaks such broken English they cannot be understood. Get rid of them, give the job to somebody who speaks the language and tell the rest go study then maybe you can get a job in America.

Python, if I didn't see you were in England, I'd swear you were living in USA - same exact thing is going on. I didn't realize you guys were in the same boat about all this stuff too!

Real eye opener and real sad.

Proof please. Got a link? Nope. Well I do. And I put a lot more credibility in a reporter's research than I do your opinion, without backup.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/staff/tina-griego/
Tina Griego is a columnist for the Denver Post.

http://www.hispanictips.com/2007/11/...ration-denver/


So you are disputing your own hypothesis? And you are blaming a CONSERVATIVE President for the "Me Now, Gotta Have It Right NOW" generation? That is truly absurd. And there is every reason to doubt your statistics unless you present a credible source. Your "feelings" don't count as credible resources.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make in post number 1, as in, your OP.

Why would I believe any california state homepage. Your government is so pathetic they couldn't balance a budget or govern within their means if someone hit them over the head. Sorry, I know about California and what the illegal immigration has contributed to your state's economy. I know how well the hospital's in your State are doing. Give me a break.

Yeah and your retort, "it's all Reagan's fault" It is so old and so false. It is the liberal's fault, the one's that just can't stop spending other people's money.

Words to live by, If you don't work You don't Eat. It is that simple.

The only help will be to people that absolutely cannot work, totally physically and/or mentally handicapped.

We see how well all these entitlement programs have worked out in Europe, UK and now here but liberals just do not get it.

Spending other peoples' money was exactly what the last government (Labour) did here in the UK.

Now, our country is virtually bankrupt and the new government, a coalition between the Conservatives and the Liberal-Democrats are about to make every family in the UK at least £1000 ($2000) a year worse off while still giving £billions away in foreign aid to so-called third world countries that are better off than us. We are going to be paying for the folly of the last government for generations to come.

Immigrants, straight off the boat, who haven't paid a penny into the system get every benefit handed to them on a plate from free medical care, free dental care, free housing - fully furnished with the best of everything while our pensioners have a choice between heating or eating in the winter.

It's an absolute disgrace.

Like my daughter. She, her husband, their two little boys and her husband's little girl from a previous relationship are all cramped into a small two-bedroomed flat (I think you call them condos?) The flat is cold, very damp - her laminate flooring, only 2 years old is mouldy and warped but the Council won't rehouse them. Why? Because all the council (social) houses in the city where she lives have been given to immigrants. Some from Asia, many from Eastern European countries.

My eldest grandson is a chromic asthmatic. Living with black mould is making him very ill. The hospital, her doctor have all written letters to the Council explaining if they don't get a move to a dry, warm house, my grandson's long-term health is at serious risk.

It falls on deaf ears, yet those who do not belong here and only come here to cream off the state are put to the front of the housing queue. It is so unfair and it is breeding resentment and causing major problems.

Some even go as far as to say, we are on the brink of civil war.

We have so many dangerous foreign criminals here who have gone on to do terrible things, including torturing their victims before finally murdering them, that should not be in this country that you're not even safe in your own home now - and God help you if you try to defend yourself in your own home. YOU are the one who gets prosecuted and the criminal sues you for compensation!

Then, our government, the last one and this one are letting known terrorists into the country, people who should be promptly marched back onto the plane/boat/train they arrived at, at bayonet point if necessary and kicked out of the country, not given free licence to do as they please along with all the freebies they get.

The UK was once a decent place to live. Now, it has become the world's cesspit for every criminal piece of scum to be dumped on. We are the world's dumping ground.

Go into one of the main supermarkets near the town centre in an evening and you will be hard pressed to find anyone who speaks English. Burka clad women, you know the ones dressed from head to foot in black with only a slit to see out of, accompanied by their husbands and anything up to 8 kids of varying ages in tow - all paid and kept by us idiot taxpayers.

What's it all in aid of? New World Order. That's what it's all for.

Actually, yes, I do. I thought you'd do a bit more in depth research than that. Tina Griego DID write a column called "Mexican Visitors Lament" on October 25th, 2007. And it is completely and totally NOT the column in the email you received. Her name was hi-jacked and the rest of that was added on by a well-known internet bigot who calls himself "The Frosty", several years ago.

Here is the real article, on the papers own website.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/oct/25/griego-mexican-visitors-lament-our-best-hands/

Wow, I am speechless and appalled. What is even sadder is this can all be traced back to the liberal entitlement mentality.

I feel for you, I really do. When you cannot even defend yourself in your own home that is really bad.

Then why is your State so darn broke you can't even pay your Vendors?

The proof is in the pudding and the pudding is, your State is so far in the Red it doesn't remember what black even looks like.

The truth is, California just keeps on raising taxes, taxing corporations and small businesses to death until there has been a saturation point reached.

And with the blood sucking Union controlling how much workers in the state government earn, those workers are way overpaid as it is.

I cannot believe the fairy tale I am reading here about the State of California. It is ludicrous and so typical that the left would blame the right for California's nanny state.

Fact: The States in this country that are the brokest, that are so far in debt, are ALL the most Liberal States. It is as plain as the nose on your face but the Left continues to deny the obvious. It really is pathetic.

Being from the UK, can you tell me who are the equivalent of our (disgraceful) Labour and equally disgraceful Conservatives?

Or, put another way which are "left" and which are "right", i.e Republicans or Democrats?

One thing's for sure, regardless of which side of the Pond we are on, seems our politicians are out for one thing only - to line their pockets at the taxpayer's expense!

As a general rule,

Democrats = left, liberal

Republicans = right, conservative

Although there are many colors and shades in between!

Politicians by definition are narcissistic and power-greedy. It's all a matter of degree of self-centeredness that differentiates them. Obama takes it to a new level.

Thank you. That clarifies things for me

I know what you mean about the Nanny State. We've lived with it for the past 13 years. Apart from dishing out benefits to all and sundry and the lazy 'bs' who are perfectly capable of working but won't, we've had to put up with various bans - the two most notable being a ban on fox hunting (which, like it or not, kept foxes down and was traditional in England - I'm Scottish btw) and the unwanted smoking ban which has seen so many people lose their livelihoods, seen communities destroyed, peoples' social lives destroyed - both smoker and non-smoker.

Then there's Labour's hatred of motorists, especially those of us who drive 4x4s (SUVs?) to the extent that in some areas, drive an SUV and you're liable to get verbal abuse, your car kicked and possibly even you.

Labour not only destroyed this country but have created so much hatred and division between various members of society - and it has caused people to be hurt and even killed (not talking about the immigration problem here).

They have destroyed marriage, making it more financially beneficial to be a single parent and sponge off the state. If you are married, they don't want to know.

We have a children's Social Service that will take a child away for adoption for the flimsiest of reasons - sometimes no reason at all. Just recently, a couple had their baby kidnapped by these people for no reason other than the mother didn't do particularly well at school. She was average but not so "average" that she hadn't gone on to get qualifications in...wait for it...CHILD CARE, yet these evil people have taken her baby away and put him/her up for adoption.

Meanwhile, the same lot ignore a baby who was tortured and battered to death - Baby P. Just Google it but be prepared to be shocked and horrified. The head of the Social Services eventually got sacked but now she is claiming over £1m in compensation and pension for presiding over one of the worst child abuse cases in history, that they knew the child was in grave danger and did absolutely NOTHING about it.

What's happened in the UK over the past 13 years especially really beggars belief.

And this new coalition government, a patched up job between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats isn't going to be any better.

I really hate living in this country and I just wish I could get out of it, take all my cats, dogs, snakes and family and go somewhere we can live the rest of our lives in peace without our every move being caught on CCTV, without being told what we can eat or drink, what we can and can't do etc. and not be taxed to death either. At the moment, they are thinking of raising the retirement age from 65 to 66. They needn't bother. The vast majority of us will have to work until the day we drop down dead - and that's no exaggeration.

At least you can vote out your President after 4 years and definitely after 8 (I think?). We are stuck with ours indefinitely.

This is why Labour allowed as many immigrants as possible to flood the country - so they would vote Labour and keep them in power.

The immigrants, whether they could speak English or not were given the vote as soon as they landed in this country - with an interpreter on hand to tell them where to put their X.

Labour's last insult to the people of this country was to start a scheme just before the election where people (Labour voters that is) could...wait for it...you won't believe this...give their vote to people in Pakistan and other Asian countries so these people, who don't even live here, have no connections here could vote and influence the running of OUR country.

Our country is a madhouse run by complete and utter traitorous imbeciles.

Do I sound angry? No. I'm not angry - I'm seething and fuming at the idiots who, despite being kicked in the teeth, still persist in voting Labour - usually just because "it's what they've always done".

We can smoke in our own homes (at the moment although the antis want that banned too, along with smoking in our cars).

Places we can't smoke:

Pubs, Clubs, Restaurants and Cafes - many have gone bust because of it, including my favourite cafe which closed down within a month of the smoking ban starting.

Railway stations, airports (not even in the pubs or departure lounges), bus stations, bus stops, shops etc.

Some parks and outdoor locations.

We cannot smoke in our place of work - even if 100% of the staff are smokers.

Smokers in some areas are not allowed to adopt or foster children. Some antis have even gone as far as to suggest children born to smoking parents should be taken into care.

We have so many crazy laws here - made by the last Labour government.

For example. If you need a ladder to clean your upstairs windows, you have to use a scaffolding tower!

You can't change light-fittings in your livingroom yourself. By law you are supposed to employ a qualified electrician. If you do it yourself, you are supposed to get a qualified electrician to issue certification that you've done the job correctly - all at great expense to you. This, one was a European Union (aka EUSSR) totally loopy ruling and not a Labour made one - although they didn't stop it.

Even better. How about this for stupid legislation:

Carol singers at Christmas - you know little children's choirs who sing outside shops must have an entertainment licence and insurance - a great cost.

If (like me) you play the piano (or any other instrument), you have the window open and the music can be heard outside your house, you can be fined for not having an entertainment licence (at great cost).

And it gets better:

The humble house-plant isn't safe either!

Labour devised over 3,500 laws which means Council Officials (aka jobsworths) can walk into your house without your permission.

The craziest, I think is that Council Officals can force entry into your house to inspect your humble Aspidestra - just incase it might have insects on it.

No, I am not joking. I am deadly serious.

You really couldn't make it up.

The last government were also going to bring in a law that would have made it possible for the above-mentioned Council Officials to enter your house, poke round it (even in your knicker drawer in your bedroom) to see if you'd made any improvements so they could tax you more. At the same time, they would look out of said bedroom window and if they liked the view, add on even more tax. I think that one got the boot as comments in the newspapers from the public suggested that said Council Officials would be risking serious injury!!!

And more Nanny State nonsense:

You can't dive into the deep end of a Council owned swimming pool now. Big signs up - No Diving!

Children at school. Little Johnny or Janie falls over and grazes their knee. Teachers are no longer allowed to put Band-Aids on the graze.

Children are discouraged from playing running games - incase they fall over and hurt themselves in the school playgrounds.

Children are not allowed to play "conkers" - incase they get hit (you know, Chestnuts).

In many towns and cities (happened in ours) hanging flower baskets, so pretty in summer, were taken down - incase one was to fall down and hit someone on the head or someone very tall (would have to be well over 7ft tall) walked into it.

And so it goes on.

Crazy, petty, stupid rules made by petty, stupid, grossly overpaid people who haven't got an ounce of commonsense between them.

Oh, and before I forget. God help you if you are a dog owner in Greater Manchester. You can now no longer walk your dog on a long lead. It must be no more than 3.5 feet long. If you are caught walking your dog with, say an extending lead, you will be fined £1000. Meanwhile, muggers, thieves and yobs get off with a smack from a feather duster!!!!

Another Council has banned all dogs from being walked in any public area, park or open space.

The above, although on the surface is so stupid as to be laughable is actually very, very serious and has serious implications for many people.

This is what "Great" Britain has become.

A complete and utter nightmare to live in and what I've mentioned is only the tip of the iceberg.

I know. Beggars belief, doesn't it but from what I've read online and in the newspapers, America is rapidly heading down the same road as us.

Please, don't let it happen to you.

Common sense and politics rarely go hand-in-hand.

Our Constitution, and particularly the Bill of Rights will hopefully protect us against some of those atrocities.

It won't if people start tinkering with it just because they don't like Mexicans.

What an offensive thing to say!

I don't know where you are coming from. What does liking/disliking Mexicans have to do with anything? Why can't YOU get it? It's not about Mexicans. It IS about people of any and all nationalities invading our country illegally just so they can suck off the system that our working CITIZENS have put in place. It's about making a concerted effort to keep drugs and the drug cartels and traffickers out of our country. And it's about making a genuine effort to keep terrorists and those that hate our way of life out of our country before they figure out another attack that would dwarf 9/11.

That is due to failures with the system. Not about people. ETA: If they are here "just to suck off the system"...then who is working all these jobs that supposedly were "taken from Americans"? Are they working all the jobs AND sucking?

Those are criminals...not immigrants.

Those are terrorists...not immigrants.