If You Love Cats

emeraldsongbird · Jun 22, 2010

In my opinion, if a cat - or ANY animal for that matter - is a hurt in a film, it ruins the entire thing for me. I tried to watch the Boondock Saints, a "classic" I kept hearing, and then the scene where they shoot the cat... URGH, I was just so disturbed. Maybe I'm too sensitive. I just can't stand it. Anyone recall I Am Legend, the scene where his dog turns and he has to kill her? I cried for a full ten minutes after that and couldn't bring myself to care for the rest of the movie. I can't stand that stuff! Why is that kind of thing necessary? It's not.

Thanks for the heads-up. Sad to hear, considering I love Gary Oldman, but definitely not worth it.

emeraldsongbird · Jun 22, 2010

Originally Posted by BaloneysMom

The only issue I had with this movie (since I did not see the cat thing) was the brutal rape scenes, there were like 3. They were overly brutal, I understand itâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s the end of the world and its brutalâ€¦ but we donâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t need to see it more then once.

Wait wait I just read this thoroughly.... there are rape scenes, too? So,in this movie there are cat killings and eating the poor things, AND rape scenes?

I could really go on a rant here, but I'll digress.... urgh....

ladyhitchhiker · Jun 22, 2010

Thanks for the warning. I wanted to see it because I heard it was good and Denzel was in it, but now I won't.

c1atsite · Jun 22, 2010

Originally Posted by EmeraldSongbird

Anyone recall I Am Legend, the scene where his dog turns and he has to kill her? I cried for a full ten minutes after that and couldn't bring myself to care for the rest of the movie. I can't stand that stuff! Why is that kind of thing necessary? It's not.

I saw "I Am Legend" on dvd. The dog strangulation scene is awful but in the story, the dog is the hero's last link to his deceased family. His daughter handed him the dog (Sam) (who was a puppy at the time) and said "Sam, you protect Daddy." And Sam did protect Daddy/hero/Dr. Neville, which is how Sam got mortally wounded. So after the hero/Dr. Neville is forced to kill Sam, he feels he is all alone, has absolutely no one, so he goes nuts and starts a suicidal revenge plan against the Dark-Seekers. There is no way to leave it out of the story.

"I Am Legend" report from ahafilm.info: http://www.ahafilm.info/movies/mr.phtml?fid=7878 (This is pretty much the same stamp of approval given to "The Book of Eli")

For a shot when Sam tries to bite Neville, a chew toy was placed near the actor’s shirt and the dog was cued to “get it.” The toy and the trainer were in the scene but removed in post-production. The syringe he uses was a retractable prop and the dog was never injected. The dog’s red eyes and veins were a digital effect.

Even though "The Book of Eli" received the same stamp of approval, I still won't watch it because it sounds like a dud of a movie.

emeraldsongbird · Jun 22, 2010

Originally Posted by c1atsite

I saw "I Am Legend" on dvd. The dog strangulation scene is awful but in the story, the dog is the hero's last link to his deceased family. His daughter handed him the dog (Sam) (who was a puppy at the time) and said "Sam, you protect Daddy." And Sam did protect Daddy/hero/Dr. Neville, which is how Sam got mortally wounded. So after the hero/Dr. Neville is forced to kill Sam, he feels he is all alone, has absolutely no one, so he goes nuts and starts a suicidal revenge plan against the Dark-Seekers. There is no way to leave it out of the story.

"I Am Legend" report from ahafilm.info: http://www.ahafilm.info/movies/mr.phtml?fid=7878 (This is pretty much the same stamp of approval given to "The Book of Eli")

Even though "The Book of Eli" received the same stamp of approval, I still won't watch it because it sounds like a dud of a movie.

I wasn't clear, sorry. I realize the scene in I Am Legend is necessary. I just used that as an example as how sensitive I am to animal stuff in movies. The stuff in Eli, though, is completely unnecessary!

strange_wings · Jun 22, 2010

Originally Posted by EmeraldSongbird

I wasn't clear, sorry. I realize the scene in I Am Legend is necessary. I just used that as an example as how sensitive I am to animal stuff in movies. The stuff in Eli, though, is completely unnecessary!

Actually, it really wasn't that necessary, but they deviated so far from the book (completely ruining the story) that they probably felt strangling a dog improved the movie.

In the book, he tries to befriend the dog and when it seems that he finally has something, someone, the dog gets infected and dies just like everyone else. If anyone wants to see a more decent version of this story, watch the one with Vincent Price - a far better actor than many now days. Matheson did work on the script for it, though he later wasn't as happy with it and had them credit it to Logan Swanson (he did this whenever he wasn't happy with how a screenplay came out).

As for the Book of Eli... There was a thread about it when the movie first came out warning people about the cat scene. I wish hissy and others had seen that thread, it might have saved people from having to witness it.

gloriajh · Jun 24, 2010

Originally Posted by strange_wings

Actually, it really wasn't that necessary, but they deviated so far from the book (completely ruining the story) that they probably felt strangling a dog improved the movie.

In the book, he tries to befriend the dog and when it seems that he finally has something, someone, the dog gets infected and dies just like everyone else. If anyone wants to see a more decent version of this story, watch the one with Vincent Price - a far better actor than many now days. Matheson did work on the script for it, though he later wasn't as happy with it and had them credit it to Logan Swanson (he did this whenever he wasn't happy with how a screenplay came out).

As for the Book of Eli... There was a thread about it when the movie first came out warning people about the cat scene. I wish hissy and others had seen that thread, it might have saved people from having to witness it.

hmmm,
I thought the dog did get infected, and he had to euthanize it (I thought I saw him giving it a shot, then holding him) - but then, I think I was hiding my eyes during that part.

rubsluts'mommy · Jun 24, 2010

Originally Posted by Dave_PH

Too late. I saw it On-Demand last night. That first scene was disturbing and following it up with the cat in the bar scene made me wonder about the writers.

After taking screenwriting classes this past year in college, I've learned a few things: the original script is typically changed SOOOO much that the screenwriter(s) may have few original bits in it. Once a writer sells the rights to their script, the producers, director's, etc change so many things it's unrecognizable from the original script. I wouldn't mind seeing the original spec script to see if those things are really in there. I'd bet they aren't or are at least vaguely referred to. usually the sensationalist BS, like animal abuse, is from execs or producers/directors...

I won't be seeing it... primarily because I so rarely go to theaters, it has to be something I REALLY want to see for me to pay to go.

Just a little insight from someone on the edge of getting into that very business.

Amanda

emeraldsongbird · Jun 24, 2010

Originally Posted by GloriaJH

hmmm,
I thought the dog did get infected, and he had to euthanize it (I thought I saw him giving it a shot, then holding him) - but then, I think I was hiding my eyes during that part.

The dog gets infected while saving him, and he holds the dog as she's changing and breaks her neck. It's... heartbreaking, to say the least.

2furgirls · Aug 30, 2010

I finally watched "The Book of Eli", the 2010 Denzel Washington post-apocalyptic movie that, according to Wikipedia, is only second to Avatar.

IMO it's an amazing movie, and I won't spoil the ending which has a great twist. However, I have a pet peeve. I didn't want to watch this movie becuase I dislike "EOTWAWKI" (End of the World As We Know It) movies, but my friend said "if has some graphic scenes but I hear the movie is fantastic".

What I really dislike is the producers (Denzel himself) and the directors really had it in for cats! It seemed to me CATS were cast as a sub-enemy.

I have written to them, hoping they may do as Cameron did with Avatar, and re-release a second version, as Cameron just has done with Avatar, and replace at least one of the Cat scenes with, well, a DOG, if they must.

If I get a reply I will post it here..

c1atsite · Aug 30, 2010

There was a 3-page thread on this from June of this year.

I have not seen it, or Avatar.

mews2much · Aug 30, 2010

I did not watch that movie.
They kill a sphynx with a arrow in that movie.

2furgirls · Aug 30, 2010

Originally Posted by c1atsite

There was a 3-page thread on this from June of this year.

I have not seen it, or Avatar.

Sorry, I did a search using the search feature on this site, but nothing came up. I would have thought so. I wanted to see what cat lovers thought about it.

I have since found today, a review from:
http://www.philly.com/philly/enterta...SPECIFIED.html

and the pertinent para is:

"He plans to quietly move on, but is dimed out by a hissing cat (the movie has a decidedly anti-feline bias, and cat-lovers should avoid it). A massive barfight and many severed limbs later (Eli is a whiz with a futuristic Bowie knife), Eli and Carnegie commence the, um, cat and mouse chase that drives the story."

In fact, I said to my friend who insisted I watch it with him, we are 5 mins into this movie and they've killed a cat, fed part of him to a mouse promising more for breakfast...thank you very much.

2furgirls · Aug 30, 2010

Originally Posted by mews2much

I did not watch that movie.
They kill a sphynx with a arrow in that movie.

I have written to the Hughes brothers insisting they re-release (like Cameron has just done with Avatar) and taking the anti-feline scenes out, or else I will write an apocalyptic post-nuclear world where certain Hollywood folk are hunted and eaten as a symbol of all that went wrong with the world, by their sowing scenes and memes of mass insanity and animal cruelty

As a writer, I can whip one of those up real fast.

nurseangel · Aug 30, 2010

I did watch the movie, but liked "The Road" (which is in the same genre), much better. I had sworn not to watch "The Book of Eli", but it just happened to be on at my house. I have never seen "Avatar". Just can't figure out what's so great about the big blue people.

In answer to the OP, I think it is anti-feline. The cat scene should have been left out of the movie. It was horrible.

c1atsite · Aug 30, 2010

Originally Posted by nurseangel

I have never seen "Avatar". Just can't figure out what's so great about the big blue people.

The blue people are the reason I'm not interested in watching it. Just seems kind of goofy. But then again, I thoroughly enjoyed Lady In The Water which had a water nymph, a massive eagle from another world, and a vicious green wolf-villain, also from another world

tigerontheprowl · Aug 31, 2010

Originally Posted by c1atsite

The blue people are the reason I'm not interested in watching it. Just seems kind of goofy. But then again, I thoroughly enjoyed Lady In The Water which had a water nymph, a massive eagle from another world, and a vicious green wolf-villain, also from another world

I was the same. I didn't plan on seeing Avatar but a friend convinced me to go. Now it's one of my top 20 favorite movies

What did you like about Lady In The Water? I tried watching it, but I was so bored I got my money back

. Since that and The Village, I've decided to completely boycott all M. Night Shyamalan's movies with the exception of The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable.

2furgirls · Aug 31, 2010

Originally Posted by nurseangel

I did watch the movie, but liked "The Road" (which is in the same genre), much better. I had sworn not to watch "The Book of Eli", but it just happened to be on at my house. I have never seen "Avatar". Just can't figure out what's so great about the big blue people.

In answer to the OP, I think it is anti-feline. The cat scene should have been left out of the movie. It was horrible.

(I can't believe people don't see through Avatar - wouldn't see it but read the script.)

The thing about the Book of Eli and why I thought it was great except for the cat killing, is that of all the End of the World as We Know It movies, this one has no humanity.

Why would anyone consider that "great" - as all that is supposed to be horrible. Well, IMHO it is more true than any other, FWIS this world is more and more approaching a level of inhumanity and spiritual destruction that - if the "big flash" comes - spiritual destruction would rule, over those who nurture spirit. Unlike others in that genre, those others have some humanity.

SO these directors - (who for all we know might have just gotten their kicks as kids torturing cats) - were showing in their opinion what happens in a world with no humanity left...

...the most such a dire world can come up with for a hero figure ... is also a cat killer ... for it was totally gratuitous in their re-written script to have Eli picked on by one of Carnegie's men in the bar, over a cat, he could have traded anything for water at the bar, not just cat oil and be picked on without a second cat incident.

On the other hand, they're no dogs, so the cats outlived the dogs. Which makes no sense either. So back to the directors and producers picking on cats.

kaleetha · Aug 31, 2010

Disgusting. I wasn't planning on watching it. This makes me even less inclined.

Brothers Grimm (I think?) also has a cat scene similar to those above. Absolutely gratuitous violence in my opinion and completely disgusting and uncalled for. We have enough in the real world, we don't need more.

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