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post #1 of 48
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http://motherjones.com/rights-stuff/...els-bp-cleanup

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We paddled on and pulled up on Grande Terre, where the oil stretched as far as we could see in deep dark pools. We encountered a cleanup crew supervisor gunning around on his ATV, who said there were all of 30 workers on the whole island, which he said is five miles long. For the hour we walked around, only three of them were working anyway, while the rest sat in the shade. And the work consisted of somewhat haphazardly laying down paper towels.
THESE are the people Barack Obama is counting on?
I feel literally sick to my stomach. Pictures and more article at link.
post #2 of 48
IMO (my opinion only), BP is playing several angles.

1) The "shears" they used to cut the piping on the well could very easily have been fitted with jaws instead of blades, and crimped the pipe almost shut. The pipe is pliable enough to do so, you can tell by the way it warped and bent when the platform sank. 3 or 4 good crimps would have reduced the flow to a trickle. Instead, where it was leaking through cracks in the pipe, they increased the flow with a clean cut. Why? So they could "capture" the "escaping" oil. In other words, they're still working their well.

2) The ridiculous "cleanup" effort. They WANT the government to step in, and to use resources, material and manpower that BP has not approved, for reasons I've already mentioned. So they can take that to court and claim they should not have to pay for efforts they didn't initiate.

What our government really needs to do, IMO, is pull the ticket on all active BP Operations within the continental US until they get on the ball. Shut down every functioning operation they have for Safety and Compliance inspections, and keep them down until in depth review is completed of every single emergency action plan in their game book.
post #3 of 48
Dammit! I was hoping this was good news and that we'd finally initiated "Operation: Paper Towels".

post #4 of 48
Nope...sorry...just more "fail".
post #5 of 48
Are they using the "quicker picker upper"?
post #6 of 48
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I think your plan sounds good Skippy, why don't they do it? Why? Because we have NO freaking leader leading this country. We have a rookie, community organizer that couldn't lead a group out of a paper bag. Lord help us, we surely need it.

I know Barack is no oil man and I do not expect him to be but GOOD GRIEF I DO expect him to be able to find someone that can adequately advise him and DO something.

This is the hope and change that Harry Reid talked into running for President.

And Barack's answer? Launch a freaking investigation to see whose FAULT this is. Ummmm, Barack shouldn't we solve the problem FIRST and THEN find fault. Our President is.......... oh why even bother

53 DAYS and COUNTING
post #7 of 48
Maybe I'm stupid, but don't repair shops use a different paperlike material for their disposable towels because paper towels are best at picking up water and the shop towels are best at picking up oil? So, like...shouldn't they at least be using shop towels? *headdesk*
post #8 of 48
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think your plan sounds good Skippy, why don't they do it? Why? Because we have NO freaking leader leading this country. We have a rookie, community organizer that couldn't lead a group out of a paper bag. Lord help us, we surely need it.

I know Barack is no oil man and I do not expect him to be but GOOD GRIEF I DO expect him to be able to find someone that can adequately advise him and DO something.

This is the hope and change that Harry Reid talked into running for President.

And Barack's answer? Launch a freaking investigation to see whose FAULT this is. Ummmm, Barack shouldn't we solve the problem FIRST and THEN find fault. Our President is.......... oh why even bother

53 DAYS and COUNTING
A typical person can learn to fly an airplane in 40 to 60 hours. You'd think that in 53 days, a man could learn 2 or 3 things about what makes oil float on water, etc.
post #9 of 48
This whole thing makes me sick.
post #10 of 48
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It just keeps getting worse and worse.

Now it comes out that three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon, the Dutch offered their help and were turned down.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...y/7043272.html

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Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help.

It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands.

The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,'” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.

Now, almost seven weeks later, as the oil spewing from the battered well spreads across the Gulf and soils pristine beaches and coastline, BP and our government have reconsidered.


It took Barack SEVEN weeks to figure out that perhaps we DO need help. It is so frustrating.
post #11 of 48
As I said in my other post, this is going to get a whole lot worse if a hurricane arrives in the gulf. What a damn horrible mess!!
post #12 of 48
Perhaps Mr. Obama thinks this catastrophe will help him get Cap and Trade passed.
post #13 of 48
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
IMO (my opinion only), BP is playing several angles.

1) The "shears" they used to cut the piping on the well could very easily have been fitted with jaws instead of blades, and crimped the pipe almost shut. The pipe is pliable enough to do so, you can tell by the way it warped and bent when the platform sank. 3 or 4 good crimps would have reduced the flow to a trickle. Instead, where it was leaking through cracks in the pipe, they increased the flow with a clean cut. Why? So they could "capture" the "escaping" oil. In other words, they're still working their well.

2) The ridiculous "cleanup" effort. They WANT the government to step in, and to use resources, material and manpower that BP has not approved, for reasons I've already mentioned. So they can take that to court and claim they should not have to pay for efforts they didn't initiate.

What our government really needs to do, IMO, is pull the ticket on all active BP Operations within the continental US until they get on the ball. Shut down every functioning operation they have for Safety and Compliance inspections, and keep them down until in depth review is completed of every single emergency action plan in their game book.
It's a miracle. I AGREE!!!!!
post #14 of 48
I posted this in THE LOUNGE, but thought I would add it here, too.
BP Coffee Spill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM
post #15 of 48
There is plenty of finger pointing going around and no one is really DOING anything to stop it. This could have been resolved for the most part from the very beginning by burning off most of the oil when it surfaced. But the "green" people screamed NO BURNING IT WILL HURT THE ENVIROMENT. And because they have Obama in their pocket, he listened to them.

What is worse? Burning oil on the surface or letting it spread and ruin the Gulf and beaches? We have resources to help and Obama refuses to give the ok. We've had other countries willing to send down help in many forms......and Obama says no to that.

He really has no intentions of cleaning this up - all he does is wait 2 months before he decides to go "visit" Louisiana and talk about it - but not do anything else. He doesn't give a damn if ships cannot get to the Mississippi River to ship goods to the rest of the country.

We live in MN - and we won't be having any ships coming up to deliver goods. This doesn't hurt one or two states - it hurts ALL 50 states!

In Florida they have people willing to help save their beaches, but Obama won't ok their "clean up". If I were the governor of Florida, I would tell Washington DC where to go, and I would say to my people that want to help - DO IT.

Just last nite (don't have the article bookmarked) I read on the Yahoo mini news this headline "Obama tells Britain "no hard feelings" about the oil".........I didn't have time to read it and wish I had. He's running around screaming and blaming BP and won't take any of the blame himself. I'm sure you heard him quote "need to find out who's to blame so I can kick some ass" - is that any way for a President to act?
post #16 of 48
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I heard on the News yesterday that Barack gave BP an ultimatum, "you have until the end of this WEEKEND to come up with a plan OR ELSE."

Or else what Barack?

Barack doesn't even have the smarts to know you don't give ultimatum's unless you got something to back it up.
post #17 of 48
How many guesses do we get as to what the "OR ELSE!" is going to be?
post #18 of 48
HMMM "or else"...........we'll extend your time frame????? Cause I (not we) don't know what to do now since I didn't come up with any ideas and really don't want to hear yours.
(this is what Obama would probably say)....sad too.
post #19 of 48
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
IMO (my opinion only), BP is playing several angles.

1) The "shears" they used to cut the piping on the well could very easily have been fitted with jaws instead of blades, and crimped the pipe almost shut. The pipe is pliable enough to do so, you can tell by the way it warped and bent when the platform sank. 3 or 4 good crimps would have reduced the flow to a trickle. Instead, where it was leaking through cracks in the pipe, they increased the flow with a clean cut. Why? So they could "capture" the "escaping" oil. In other words, they're still working their well.

2) The ridiculous "cleanup" effort. They WANT the government to step in, and to use resources, material and manpower that BP has not approved, for reasons I've already mentioned. So they can take that to court and claim they should not have to pay for efforts they didn't initiate.
My gut tells me both sides are laying down traps (meaning litigation traps. I don't know the correct legal terminology)
post #20 of 48
I have nothing constructive to add, other than the mushroom cloud photo with the 'operation papertowel' tagline had me laughing myself silly. I just read an article that stated sharks and dolphins, as well as other sea creatures, are coming to closer to the shores and will likely end up stranded- struggling for food and oxygen. Plug up the hole with BP execs I say. This is just sickening.
post #21 of 48
I find this thread amusing.......now that Drill Baby Drill has become Spill Baby Spill, it's all Obama's fault?

Please do tell me honestly, what would you all have said if Obama cut BP off at the knees the day of the explosion? That he wanted to take over BP? And what means does any U.S. president have over a foreign corporation, and more specifically, how fast can a change in policy against said foreign corporation be implemented? I guess he can't win whatever he does in this situation.

All I ask is that you think this through realistically, rather than taking this as another opportunity to bash Obama. Nothing ever gets solved if all you do is call someone names.
post #22 of 48
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
I find this thread amusing.......now that Drill Baby Drill has become Spill Baby Spill, it's all Obama's fault?

Please do tell me honestly, what would you all have said if Obama cut BP off at the knees the day of the explosion? That he wanted to take over BP? And what means does any U.S. president have over a foreign corporation, and more specifically, how fast can a change in policy against said foreign corporation be implemented? I guess he can't win whatever he does in this situation.

All I ask is that you think this through realistically, rather than taking this as another opportunity to bash Obama. Nothing ever gets solved if all you do is call someone names.
You are, obviously, not listening. No one is blaming Barack for the oil spill. What we ARE blaming him for is allowing the oil to reach the shore. There are a myriad of things he could have done and many have been listed but he has done nothing. This is HIS baby and he has to own it.
post #23 of 48
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Please do tell me honestly, what would you all have said if Obama cut BP off at the knees the day of the explosion? That he wanted to take over BP? And what means does any U.S. president have over a foreign corporation, and more specifically, how fast can a change in policy against said foreign corporation be implemented? I guess he can't win whatever he does in this situation.
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You are, obviously, not listening. No one is blaming Barack for the oil spill. What we ARE blaming him for is allowing the oil to reach the shore. There are a myriad of things he could have done and many have been listed but he has done nothing. This is HIS baby and he has to own it.
And you, my dear, didn't read my entire response. Tell me exactly what he could have done to prevent oil from reaching the soil? There are self monitoring policies (e.g. limited regulations) within the oil industry today which doesn't allow our government to step in and seize control. I don't care how many skimmer boats, dispersants, or bodies you throw at this, the oil was going to reach the shore.

It's almost like the republicans have elevated Obama to god status. You seem to think him so powerful that you expect him to be at the heart of every single decision made in the country that involves the government. Now if you want to gripe that his appointee isn't making enough progress, then blame Obama on a bad choice for that appointee. Let's talk about what his appointee is failing to do.
post #24 of 48
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
I find this thread amusing.......now that Drill Baby Drill has become Spill Baby Spill, it's all Obama's fault?

Please do tell me honestly, what would you all have said if Obama cut BP off at the knees the day of the explosion? That he wanted to take over BP? And what means does any U.S. president have over a foreign corporation, and more specifically, how fast can a change in policy against said foreign corporation be implemented? I guess he can't win whatever he does in this situation.

All I ask is that you think this through realistically, rather than taking this as another opportunity to bash Obama. Nothing ever gets solved if all you do is call someone names.
Exactly. The Obama bashers have a convenient tactic.
They whine because he's not doing enough to protect us from the recklesness and negligence of big corporations like BP, but when he does take action, they whine because he is implementing his deep dark socialist agenda. It's about whining, complaining, being the party of no, and finding any excuse to criticize, forgetting whatever it was they criticized the day before.
post #25 of 48
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If the Obama apologists want to give him a pass on his total mishandliing of this oil spill, go for it.


He is totally inept, he could have accepted help from the countries who offered. He could have allowed the barriers and berms to be built. He could have suspended the Jones Act like Bush did, five days after Katrina, Day 60 and counting.

My brother told me just this morning he heard on the news that planes are not allowed to fly over the gulf where the spill is. Wonder why that is, as if I didn't know. It is much worse than they are letting on and they don't want people to see it. They have closed beaches and are not allowing people on them to take pictures.

Have to wonder what the reaction would have been to Bush closing down air space and such after Katrina.

And please, no lame reference to closing all air traffic after 9-11 PLEASE.
post #26 of 48
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
If the Obama apologists want to give him a pass on his total mishandliing of this oil spill, go for it.


He is totally inept, he could have accepted help from the countries who offered. He could have allowed the barriers and berms to be built. He could have suspended the Jones Act like Bush did, five days after Katrina, Day 60 and counting.

My brother told me just this morning he heard on the news that planes are not allowed to fly over the gulf where the spill is. Wonder why that is, as if I didn't know. It is much worse than they are letting on and they don't want people to see it. They have closed beaches and are not allowing people on them to take pictures.

Have to wonder what the reaction would have been to Bush closing down air space and such after Katrina.

And please, no lame reference to closing all air traffic after 9-11 PLEASE.
Uh...actually. The Airspace above the disaster areas after Katrina WAS closed to all civilian aircraft, to include Metro and Hospital owned Medevac helicopters. Military and Coast Guard machines only, exactly like what is happening over the spill area.

And, Lt. General Honoré, commanding the Katrina relief efforts, said that the media would have "zero access" to rescue and recovery operations.
post #27 of 48
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Uh...actually. The Airspace above the disaster areas after Katrina WAS closed to all civilian aircraft, to include Metro and Hospital owned Medevac helicopters. Military and Coast Guard machines only, exactly like what is happening over the spill area.

And, Lt. General Honoré, commanding the Katrina relief efforts, said that the media would have "zero access" to rescue and recovery operations.
But yet the media DID have total access to rescue and recovery operations, in fact the media did their OWN rescue and recovery operations, I remember seeing it on TV.

post #28 of 48
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But yet the media DID have total access to rescue and recovery operations, in fact the media did their OWN rescue and recovery operations, I remember seeing it on TV.

They had access after CNN sued for it. Tell Fox News to get on the ball.
post #29 of 48
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Yes, it was a huge mistake on the part of the Army that they did not think it was proper to let members of the media view the bodies.

Who do the Army think they are anyway, trying to spare family members more anguish? Geesh, the Army needed to get with the program, it isn't like anyone cares about family members, conceivably, seeing their loved one's body on TV. They got it now though, that sure won't happen again.
post #30 of 48
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Yes, it was a huge mistake on the part of the Army that they did not think it was proper to let members of the media view the bodies.

Who do the Army think they are anyway, trying to spare family members more anguish? Geesh, the Army needed to get with the program, it isn't like anyone cares about family members, conceivably, seeing their loved one's body on TV. They got it now though, that sure won't happen again.
So do you want the news censored..or not?
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