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Throwing Up Clear Liquid and A Tad Constipated

post #1 of 17
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Okay I have been noticing clear liquid in the basement. The first time it was by the dehumidifier and figured it was water. No smell and looked like water same texture. So I thought maybe it was. But there was not trail to the puddle.

Then about 4 days or so later I was in the cat room where their food is and in the middle was a big puddle of clear liquid. It didn't have any smell to it. It looked like water. But there was no where that water could have come from. No pipes up a head and the cat dish on the outside was dry. NO water trailing to the puddle. Nothing. I didn't know what it was. Again looked smelled like water.

Today I went down stairs to get something and went back up to give smokie his antibiotic. I give it to him in the bathroom. We had a towel on the floor for showers and when I kneeled and gave it to him I noticed the towel was wet, very wet. Like someone peed on it. But it didn't smell like pee. The window was open and it had just thunder stormed. At first I thought it had rained in the window because it was partially opened but when I smelled it, it smelled catfoody. And the window sill and the fram were dry. So it wasn't from the window. So I'm starting to think that the clear liquid I found in the basement was from a cat. It was like the size of a large pancake. This time the towel was drenched in a spot.

Then I went to check in the office area and I smelled poop. Sure enough by the treadmill someone had pooped. It was about 1 inch blobs and a little hard. There was white hair on the outside. But I had noticed there is a little blood on the outside. It looked fresh. My guess is the cat who pooped was a little constipated. But I found Sassy in the room so I think it was her. She does have frequent hairballs. But then I caught her sniffing the towel. She's the one that used to throw up a clear liquid when I first got to her. But it was in small amounts. I called the vet back then and they said that if it was frothy a little bit or a small amount it was because she was trying to get a hair ball up. But the amounts that I'm finding now are a LOT bigger. They look like a water puddle. I think it may be her. She's probably about 11 or 12 years old. I don't really know how old she was when I got her. For all I know she could have been 6 or 7.

My problem is that she is the part farrel cat and she literally would have to be anesthetized to be looked at. Now I'm afraid because I still have smokey a little sick but I think he's getting better. No blood in the puke any more just whole food. But I spent a good portion of my money on him and I don't know what to do. Plus there is NO way to give her fluids or pills or anything. She would get too wild if I started to do that to her and I'd end up jabbing her some where or possibly hurting her.

Not sure what I should do now.

Mel
post #2 of 17
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Called the vet. He said that it could still be from hairballs if she is constipated. The clear liquid is stomach fluid he said. He said to try her on a hairball medicine first. If that didn't help then we'd have to do a blood test because it could be her kidneys. He said that once we had a blood test we could try non invasive treatment such as a food change.

She's eating and drinking right now. I'll be putting her in a bigger room downstairs for a week to keep an eye on her.

But I think I've decided that if it is her kidneys..I'll try non invasive treatment such as a food change. But if she starts getting sick to the point that she has to have fluids and such all the time, I may have to have her put to sleep. Getting her upset like that all the time, won't help her and will cause her more strain. I did the best I could to save her from the streets and being euthanize at the humane society.

I think it's the right thing to do because oddly enough I'm not too upset about it. A little worried yes. But not like I was with smokie. I love her as I do all my cats but she has had a good life. Hopefully though it's just hairballs.

BTW. For those of you who have had experience putting a cat to sleep. Does it hurt them or cause any discomfort? I've never had to do it, but thought I would ask.
post #3 of 17
Putting a cat to sleep does not hurt kitty (it hurts us a lot though) Just a needle prick they barely feel and they go to sleep.

Constipation and kidney disease go hand in hand. Constipation will affect Sassy's quality of life much sooner than the kidney disease. The body HAS to get rid of the waste.

It's obvious Sassy's comfort level and quality of life is most important to you. For a cat who cannot tolerate vet visits or messing about, I would probably make the same choices you are. Quality of life being more important than quantity.

So...the thing to do, IMO is to treat the constipation to give her a good quality of life until her kidneys begin to fail to the point that she is too sick to live comfortably.

Ask your vet about using miralax to help with the constipation. You might start her on cosequin for cats too. It not only helps with arthritis, it helps bladder health too. (UTIs can be common in CRF kitties too) Both these things can be added to food.

Feed her canned food, to get as much moisture in her as possible.

Please keep us posted on Sassy
post #4 of 17
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Well I did try giving her mineral oil. I have her a teaspoon of mineral oil to try to help the constipation.

If it's not something they she can and will freely lick out of a spoon or put on her food then I may have to have her pts sooner than I would like.

I did look into wet food for Smokie and even with just getting Friskies the cheap brand it was more than I could afford. To afford both I'd have to go with the cheap dry cat food which the others can't be on because of allergies. So I don't know what to do there. Our budget is tight. With cat food and all the normal household bills there isn't much room for anything else. We have only $60 a month for cat care. That includes food and cat litter plus any thing else they may need (hairball paste etc). I've been looking for another part time job. I work in child care with a local after school program. So when school is out, I don't work. I did file for unemployment though but that won't be a lot. I'd need a full time job to be able to afford the good dry and good wet.

I spent some time with her in the downstairs room. It's a nice size. Probably the size of small living room. I put a blanket down there for her. She's used the litter box already. Just to pee. But she did drink twice while I was down there. So it looks like she's still drinking/eating. So as long as I can keep her stool regulated I should be good for a while.

I had a talk with her while I visited her. I told her that she had to eat and drink good. That she had to take whatever medicine I gave her like a good girl. That it would keep her happy for a while longer. That if she didn't that I would have to give her something that would make her take a long nap and I didn't want that.

While I was down there visiting with her the uneasiness hit me. I thought it was too easy to just make that decision. It will be hard. I think that when that time comes that I'll have to have the vet do it. I don't think I could watch her. When I find mice that have gotten into our radiator fluid in the garage and they are outside not running around but just sitting there. I'll put gloves on and pick them up for a bit and pet them. I know they are dieing because they are breathing rapidly. After a bit though I have to put them in the wooded area out back. I can't watch them die. So I know it will be the same with Sassy. I'll want the vet to let me know when it's over though. But I'm hoping that god makes the decision easy for me and her.

Just when I think the hard part is over with smokie...then I find this out about Sassy. Just tired of feeling Sad all the time. It's summer time I should be happy.
post #5 of 17
No, it's not an easy decision to make. I hope you will stay with her though. If you don't you may regret it later. My cats go to sleep in my loving arms, with my loving voice singing their song.

Can you give the canned to just Sassy? Any canned food, even cheap stuff, is better than none, and it will help with her constipation too.

Mineral oil has to be used very carefully. A teaspoon is a lot, you really want to start with something much lower, like 1 ml once a day. Ask your vet first of course.

Mineral oil has to be given at least an hour before any food, on an empty stomach, except for the small amount of food you will use to give it. This is because mineral oil interferes with the absorption of nutrients.

This was my routine with Ootay: I would get up at 6 a.m. and give her the pepcid, and her cisapride and a small meal (she could only eat a very little bit at a time). I don't have to get up until 7:30, so I went back to bed.

When I got up at 7:30 she would get a very small amount of wet food (about a teaspoon) with the mineral oil mixed in. An hour after that she, and the other cats, would start their breakfast meals.

I've lost track of why I was telling you this.....oh yes, to expalin about the mineral oil having to be given an hour before a meal.
post #6 of 17
It's good you talk to her like that. I do so with my cats too.
post #7 of 17
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Well I only gave her the mineral oil because it's something I can easily give her that she'd lap off of the spoon. I will be getting 9 lives canned cat food for her. Our local $1 store has a 4 can pack for $1 so that does fit within my budget. I talked to the vet and he said that he wouldn't want to prescribe any medication for her until he had a blood test and knew for sure it was her kidneys and not something else. I guess that's good. So I'll have to make an appointment.

Right now the only signs I see are the clear fluid (possibly I have not physically seen her do this), and possibly the drinking/peeing. Not sure. That's why I have her in the room so I can monitor it. But I had only been noticing the fluid on the floor in the basement possibly once a week maybe less.

I'm trying to stay calm. But being I have GAD (Generalized Anxiety Disorder) This is just adding anxiety and I feel like I'm going crazy. I'm trying to give lots of love to my other kitties too and it's hard. I had make an appointment with my therapist that has been helping me. Medication has been working for a while and haven't needed to see her in quite some time. But with this going on between the scare with Smokie and now possibly with Sassy has made it worse again. I'm having trouble sleeping, eating and have had numerous anxiety attacks just today alone. Had to forgo the Larazapam today because I was watching my niece today and it makes me sleepy. But have taken it since she left.

So hopefully going back to the therapist will help me to deal with it so I can better take care of Sassy and my other lovely kitties.

Mel
post #8 of 17
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Okay I went in again and spent some time with Sassy playing with her. She was very playful. She drank water about two times not very long. I did check her litter box. It looks like she may have only went potty twice. And she did poop again. I picked one up (I've been desensitized since having cats to their poop, pee and hairballs) I picked through it. It looks like there were food granials in it and a lot of hair. The center of it was sunken in a bit almost hallow. It had a LOT of hair in it. and it was almost spongy. It was weird.

Could it be that she is having a hard time with hairballs? When I went down there it didn't look like she had drunk a whole lot of water. but she had eaten and she did sit there and eat a good portion of food. I went to pet her and she was shedding like crazy. She will not let me brush her. Even with the brush glove. If it's not my actual hand.. she will not allow it to touch her. What if she's having really bad time with hair and if she's recently drank by the water bowl it's possible she could have thrown it back up to try to get the hair ball out? Is spongy poop something that is common with cats who's kidney's are failing?

Because what I'm seeing doesn't fit the list of symptoms that I've been reading about. But it could be in the very early stages yet too. But I'm difficulty putting her on moist cat food either way. It will help if it is her Kidneys or even if it's hairballs. Anyone know of anything I can give her to help her with her hairballs? She doesn't like the hairball remedies very much. Someone mentioned Olive oil once said it helped with hairballs and gave them a shiny coat.
post #9 of 17
Yes, stubborn hairballs can cause all sort of problems and it's good that she's passed it. She may have more poop coming. A lot more.

I would guess the hair could cause spongy poop. Excessive shedding can be a sign of poor health also. Perhaps the mineral oil too. If you gave it to her near a meal time it may ahve caused some of the food to slip right through. (isn't it funny how cats love mineral oil?)

And if they've (hairballs) never bothered her before, it may be because her body is fighting some other problem now and hair balls are taking a back seat, so to speak.

If you can at all swing it, even if hairballs stop troubling her, I really really recommend you go ahead with the blood work. Not only will it let you know for sure what you are dealing with, it will give you much peace of mind to know what's what, either way.
post #10 of 17
PS You're not alone as a dissector of poop around here. Not to mention vomit.
post #11 of 17
A little OT here... yeah, I examine poo, pee and puke. What goes in ...has to come out.

You could also try a little bit of canned cooked pumpkin for Sassy. I am talking a teaspoon over the course of a day. Like 1/2 morning, 1/2 evening. You can mix it into her wet food.... freeze it in small blops... and use as needed. NOT PIE FILLING. JUST COOKED CANNED PUMPKIN.

Too much and it will have the opposite effect. Has to do with the water soluble fiber in it.

When I pulled Casper from the pound... he wasn't pooping with any regularity (no pun intended.)
And when he did poo, it was "fur pellets". So I put him on a regimen of watered down wet food, hair ball laxatives, tiny amounts of mineral oil (don't like using long term for the reasons that Otto stated) and canned cooked pumpkin. Took about a month ...but slowly over time his gut regulated and now he is just fine.
post #12 of 17
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I put some wet food down for sassy today. I had to leave during the day today. And she didn't touch the wet food at all. She sniffed it. I left it there figuring maybe she'd eaten already for the morning because I had the dry food out too. So I left it out but forgot to take it out of the room before I left. But you'd think that when she was hungry during the day, she would eat it. But the dry food is going down so she's eating the dry. The water looks like it's gone down but nothing alarmingly. The vet said that cat's shouldn't have more than a cup of water a day. However we also have a dehumidifier right outside the room So I don't know how much of the water that went down was from her drinking or the dehumidifier. She doesn't look like she's loosing weight or anything. So she's eating and drinking.

However when I looked into the litter box today there were a bunch of small clumps where she had peed . She's been in there more than 24 hours. I figure that what I'll do to measure the water by putting one cup of water in the bowl. Then in the morning measure it and see how much she drank from when I filled it with fresh water to the morning. I can pour it back in the measuring cup to measure.

I wish I had the money to have her blood tested. But with smokie I am running out of money. I may have to see if there are places that will help. I know imom is one of them. But smokey may need an x-ray with contrast to see his stomach and figure out why he's throwing up so much. That will cost $300 plus dollars which I don't have either. I don't know if iMom will help with two cats from the same family.

I don't know what to do.
post #13 of 17
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Okay measured the water that I put in her bowl today. I only put one cup. And I put it there at about 7:30am. We got home about 6:45 and I think around 7 I measured it I poured the water that was left in her dish back in the measuring cup. It was at 3/4 of a cup of water was left. And she had eaten. Her poop was soft. Last night though I watched her as she peed in the litter box. She didn't squat down like other cats do with their hind end in the litter. she was like partially squatted and it streamed into the litter box. I thought she may have a urinary tract infection. So one of the liquid antibiotics that smokie was on but was changed off of I gave to her in some baby food. She lapped it up nicely. So I'll be giving her the antibiotic to see if that might help her.

Usually they say that if the cat has CRF they drink a lot pee a lot. But she didn't seem to drink a lot. She did eat a nice amount though. Though there were little pee spots. Though there was a nice sized one too. I'm wondering if the little spots all over were because she wasn't squatting down and if she moves any it can hit different spots while she's peeing. So we'll see if she improves on the antibiotics. I did weigh her. She's 7lbs. But she's always been a thin cat. I always remembered that when I could start to lift her up she seemed lighter than the other cats. Since she's part wild. So I figure I'll continue to weigh her and see if she looses weight or gains it on the anti biotic.
post #14 of 17
It's generally a BAD idea to give antibiotics that aren't prescribed. The dosage may not be correct, and if she doesn't have an infection it can contribute to antibiotic resistance. Antibiotics are powerful stuff and shouldn't be used lightly. So be careful with that.
post #15 of 17
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I know. I did ask the vet about it Saturday during the day. He said to give it to her and see if it helps. Because he said that it could be a urinary tract infection because she's not drinking a lot. So far I have seen a change though. More big clumps of pee. So I think that may have been her issue and then of course if she is a little dehydrated she'll have a hard time getting up hair balls.
post #16 of 17
small frequent clumps of pee usually do indicate a UTI. Because the pain and irritation there makes her feel like she has to pee all the time she goes frequently. Glad the antibiotics are helping.
post #17 of 17
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She really doesn't drink a lot of water like with CRF symptoms. She doesn't show really any of them. She did drink a nice portion today so hopefully the antibiotics are working.

I noticed Sassy today and haven't been able to really watch her when I was working during the day but she grooms herself a lot. That could be the problem with the hairballs. And She's eating and drinking. We were playing today. Which made me feel a whole lot better.
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