How Many Know the 2nd verse of the Star Spangled Banner? - Page 4

Ahhh yes, because Christian's in this thread have been so very insulting and nasty.

I must have missed the posts "damning people to hell for eternal damnation".

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I have not insulted anyone on this board. If you think saying, "There is only one God and Jesus is his Son" is insulting that is your problem not mine.
And I surely did not say it to insult anyone.

FTR, Christians are people, we are also sinners.

Being a Christian means different things to different people with the common knowledge that Jesus is our Savior.

It all comes down to faith.

This is it for me on this thread so bash away.

Christians and Jews, the two groups it is very PC to bash. Go for it.

But, if someone saying something I consider insulting is my problem, then wouldn't it also hold true that if I say something someone else considers insulting, it would be their problem?

The word "bash" has always amused me. It always seems to pop up the moment the questions become uncomfortable, or threaten to prompt thoughts they'd rather not think about.

I don't recall anyone in this thread saying that the United States is a Jewish nation, so I have no idea where that came from. I actually consider the Jews to be kindred spirits of a sort. They too are simply considered pawns in the doomsday/world domination plans of Christianity in general.

That's another phrase that amuses me...PC. It's funny how so many groups that demand apologies for the slightest thing, that statements they disagree with be "taken back"...will do a 180 and complain about something being "PC". 'tis quite funny.

How very odd. Merely asking questions about your God you considered insulting or bashing...but you see nothing wrong with absolutely denying the existence of anyone else's.

I'm so happy to hear that. Perhaps you can explain it. Just the facts, please.

ah i see the same people forcing their beliefs as the only ones that can be right as always, in my very humble opinion the bible is a bunch of made up stories to keep everyone in line.....after all your nearly all saying carbon dating is false evolution is false your all right all scientist are very wrong

question...did you study science at school or opt out and do religous eduction instead?

Read the Bible. That explains it far better than I can.

Why didn't I see this before?

The lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner were written in 1814. The Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776, 38 years earlier. I daresay most if not all of the Founding Fathers were dead by then. So despite the fact that this poem mentions God - not Christ, not Jesus, and certainly not Moses, claiming that the mere mention of the word god in the lyrics is proof that the US was founded on "Christian pinciples and beliefs" defies logic.

There's no need to post it in this thread because this doctrine is fundamental to Christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheranism

The whole religion is built on the myth that "god" (exclusive property of Christians) decided to appear on earth as a human male, born by immaculate conception to a human female. And to make the story more appealing, this god in human form was forced to be born out in a stall with animals as no one had a room available for the pregnant mother. Godboy grows up, preaches, sacrifices his life for the sins of humanity (I never figured that connection out but then again this is one of the many reasons I consciously rejected Christianity) after being betrayed by one of his disciples (THAT one I have no trouble with) and then rises from the dead a few days after being crucified.
And if you do not accept this myth, you are condemned to eternal damnation. I tell you what, maybe we do have different gods, because any god worth serving IMO would not expect me to buy such a farfetched story. I'll stick with Buddhism, thanks, which dodges the question entirely.

Which one? Which one is the correct one? Why is there not just one?

If you want someone to explain Christianity and if you are truly interested in Christianity then you have to read the Bible that Christians read. But it is plain that you are not interested. I don't waste my time trying to explain something to people that they are not interested in. So you said please explain myself when I say insults only make me feel closer to the Lord, then you have to read what I read that helped me make my decision what God I was going to believe in. I don't argue my Christianity or what I believe in and why. As I stated before, if you want to understand Christianity you have to read the Bible Christians read.

This thread has been bothering me for a long time, some of it in the same way the political ones do. People, 2 wrongs do not make a right.

It is hurtful and IMO, uncalled for to make fun of someone else's religion. Christianity is not a myth. It is a religion. Don't other religions believe their God is the true God? Muslims and Jews believe in ONE God.

Christians, I think that sometimes we contribute to the problem. Perhaps we should knock on the door, rather than try and break it down.

Oh, but I am interested. Which of the many bibles "that Christians read" is the right one? Which one of those many bibles "that Christians read" is the one that the "Christian Nation" follows?

I agree that 2 wrongs do not make a right. However, I have to point out that in the case of many Christians, pointing out their wrong to them falls on deaf ears. The only recourse is to point out to them that their "truth" is not based on anything other than ancient tales, just like most other religions, which many of them insist are "false" or "evil". And apparently, this is just way, way too much information for many, as they will then make cries of "bashing" and "insulting" and leave in a pout. Even then it won't sink in with most of them that asking them to explain why their religion is the "one and only" isn't nearly as bad as them insisting that everyone else's beliefs are false.

I think in some cases, it is a tactic, so they can satisfy their inner "persecution complex". That would explain why some would join a debate, only to say "I don't argue my Christianity or what I believe in and why".

Religion in and of itself isn't a bad thing, it is what some people do in the name of a particular religion (pick one) that can sometimes cause people to paint a religion in a negative light. Not to keep beating the horse but if you look at the Middle Ages the Roman Catholic church was corrupt, controlling, power hungry and sometimes spread by the sword. Islam was also sometimes spread by the sword.

I don't believe that one religion is better than any other. I also don't believe that any of the monotheistic religions are any better or worse than that of the Romans, Egyptians, Greeks, Vikings, Babylonians etc. (again, take your pick).

Very well said. Deism is a bit different than all the others, in one aspect. Nearly every Deist will admit that Deism is wrong, just as soon as another religion proves theirs to be right. Thus far, no takers.

No, it is ridiculous.

The Mormon Church does not have the same beliefs that Christians do. Christianity and Mormonism are two separate beliefs.

And in your mind, who is this real God. How in your human mind can you possibly know what the real God would have need of. It was not God who needed an itermediary, the intermediary being Jesus. Sinners are the ones who needed him. He died to save us from our sins.

I notice in all the posts you have made in this thread, you have not said what God you know and serve, or if you even serve one.

But the Mormons were the latest to hear from God/Jesus/Angels, so therefore, their info being the most current, is the "correct" one then?

Read up on Deism. God has no need for being served, nor worshiped, nor named. All that it needs to be, it is. It does not need humans to boost it's ego, or to do it's "works", nor to build temples for it. It creates, and it's creations, like candles, finally burn themselves out, and it creates anew. Creation has been always and on-going, this place is nothing new, nor special, it likely has been a hundred times before. And God is always God, whether we're here to acknowledge that or not. It does not cease to exist when it's "followers" all die out, as is always the case with "revealed" or "named" Gods.

Need...no.
Interest...maybe. A Creator of the Universe could conceivably have an interest in what we do and find some of it amusing in the same way we find it amusing to watch a kitten play, and might give us a religion to follow similar to how some of us give our cats a laser pointer dot to follow and for some of the same reasons: the exercise does them good and it is pleasant to watch. (There might also be room in this metaphor for "OMG [which I guess would become OMMe], how many times do I have to tell you to use the litterbox?" )

In that case you just bashed the Unitarian Universalist religion.

Mike, I notice you ignore the last part of my post.

According to the United Universalist Association of Congregations website individual United Universalists identify themselves with the following beliefs.

Atheist - A person who does ot believe that any Gods exist
Agnostic - Do not claim to know of the existence of any deity.
Buddist - In Buddism, there is no need for a savior to rescue people from sins
Humanist- Do not believe in God, Rather they believe in the scientific theory of evolution
Pagan - Believe in many Gods male and female. The Pagan Ethic is If it harm none, do what you will.

Sorry if I bashed all that???? Go figure.

Unitarian Universalists believe that we all worship one and the same god, ie they are all the same.

I got what I wrote off their website

No, not at all. Like I said, read up on Deism. If God has a name, he/she/it has never been bothered with telling mankind what it is. Being unique, why would it even need a name. Names are for identifying, categorizing...unique has no need of names. It also has no need of being "served". It doesn't even require anyone to acknowledge the likelihood of it's existence, though many Deists do.

So now, Quid Pro Quo:

The questions you missed;

[quote=Skippymjp;2888665]No, not at all. Like I said, read up on Deism. If God has a name, he/she/it has never been bothered with telling mankind what it is. Being unique, why would it even need a name. Names are for identifying, categorizing...unique has no need of names. It also has no need of being "served". It doesn't even require anyone to acknowledge the likelihood of it's existence, though many Deists do.


I am not interested in Deism. Remember what you are saying is in accordance with what you believe. And that is okay. What I believe is the Bible and it says there is one God and Jesus is his son. It says I am the way the truth and the life. It says no man cometh unto the Father but by me. These are the things I believe. I won't be reading on Deism or any other religion because I am not interested in them. I have no need for them. I am comfortable in the Christian beliefs. As for what Bible to read, I really don't think you will read any of them so why are you even asking me that. Just for the record, there are several translations of the Christian Bible. The King James version of the Bible is a very popular one and most churches teach from this Bible. However there are other, The Living Bible, The Scofield Bible, the New English Version and others. It makes no difference which one you read. They all teach that there is only one God and his son is Jesus. They all teach that Jesus came for man to die on the cross so that man could be forgiven of his sins. Therefore the basic belief of the Christian is taught in any of these Bibles I mentioned. I am comfortable in believing that. You have your own choice of what you believe in and that is entirely your choice. As for that statement about the Mormans and them hearing from God, I know nothing about that. I don't believe the doctrines of the Morman church so I don't take anything they say as truth.

Now as I said before, the question I leave you with that you have not answered is what God do you serve. Is it Deism? If so, then have at it. I am not knocking anyone else's God. Anything that I have written is what I believe based on the principles of the Christian religion, nothing else.
For me this subject is closed now. I am satsified and have peace in my heart. If you are not, then maybe someone else will come along to put your mind at peace. I can't do it.

[quote=blueyedgirl5946;2888734] Your continuing to beg the questions actually answers a lot. I know there are numerous translations of the bible. But what you have identified are numerous versions of the bible...meaning, they are all different! If they are different, they can't all be right! So, which one is the "right one"?

I'm not surprised you've chosen not to answer...thats actually fairly typical when the questions cause one to examine their own faith in a way that makes them uncomfortable.