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I have two 10 year old male former ferals that were rescued as kittens. The older one that was almost a year old is the social friendly one and the kitten rescued from near death with rhino-virus is the spook who only comes to me. I also have two (human!) little girls, 5 & 6.
About a 2 months ago, I saw one of the neighborhood strays had some terrible accident - her hind leg was gone at the joint. My back door neighbor was also concerned and talked me into trying to trap her ( she has 3 cats and four year old) . I worked on conditioning her for several weeks with food until she would let me sit within 5-6 feet while she fed inside a small dogloo. She actually started coming up on my back porch if I missed feeding time, and once she came in the kitchen while I had the door propped open. I trapped her, and took her to the vet. Though she's really small, I 'd seen her around for about a year and he confired she was adult and not neutered. She got rabies, flea and worm treatment (no ear mites amazingly) and he said though he would prefer to surgically remove the rest of the leg, it was healing fine and she did not have an infection. So she moved into a large kennel in my home office. She did know how to use a litter box and loves her food. She is getting socialized, though she really wants my boy cats to come in and see her, she cries and runs to the front of the crate whenever one of them walks by the door. I can open the crate to feed and clean the litter, and she doesn't hiss anymore, but she won't come near either. However, when she is in begging the boys mode and rubbing on the bars, I can reach in and stroke her and she will rub my hand - but only then. She can't be released because she will certainly die of starvation or another injury.
Surprise cat #2 happened yesterday. I went out to fill my bird feeder and a stray cat went flying over the fence, not a surprise since I have a fish pond and the water attracts cats and lots of other critters. But then I saw her kitten hanging off a pine tree. Dumb me, I reached out to grab it and it got me good in the thumb before I got its scruff. I am going to the emergency ward tonight as a day latter it looks even worse after cleaning and treating, sigh. So the kitten, who looks to be about 8 weeks old, is in my next biggest crate, which is not too big, but can fit a small litter pan and food dishes. It is currently curled up in its litter pan, so not sure where it's going to go when it needs to. My office is now a jail for feral cats. I thought the three legged cat, now named Elsie, would be happy about company, but NOOOO, she hissed at the kitten, now christened Cloudy, and has been sitting with her back to him all day. THe kitten's mother (who I had never seen before) came around looking for him this morning and she looks enough like Elsie that I suspect they are related. The kitten needs to go to a vet, but I already footed $150 for the first one, am looking for a low cost option soon.
Any tips on socializing 2 different cats at the same time???
 

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Thank you for rescuing these kitties, and welcome to TCS!

I don't know where on Long Island you are and it's a big island.... but check out at least this site:

http://www.licp.org/free_low_vet_org.html

Socializing the two cats will be different - the older one will learn a lot watching you interact with your cats, but it seems to me like with her you're already doing what you should be - letting her watch and learn, petting her when SHE'S comfortable with it. Forcing yourself on an older cat doesn't really work and sometimes backfires.

It wasn't clear to me that the first kitty was spayed? If you need help searching for a low cost place, if you could let us know the county you're in or a larger town you're near, that would help. But she really ought to be spayed, especially if you're going to put her back outside - it was unclear whether you're adopting her yourself, or just nursing her back to health, or trying to get her adopted out?

As to socializing the little one - she should be handled if you can. At 8 weeks, she should learn REALLLY quickly from watching you interact with your boys.

The real trick, especially with kittens, is play. If she can learn from your boys what to do with toys - especially if you have interactive toys, she'll be able to forget about you being all big and scarey and focus on the toy(s).


It helps to get down at their level and "hang out" - read out loud, maybe put your monitor and keyboard down on the floor and work down there for a little while... "look" at them with your eyes closed - and never look directly in their eyes, look at their foreheads or something (ferals take looking directly in their eyes as a sign of aggression)... and being down at "their height" helps you appear less scary.

Food is also your friend in your efforts.
Baby food - Gerber's chicken (it has no additives, just chicken & broth) is usually a real ice-breaker. See how much they like it - and try feeding it to them from a spoon, then your fingertips.... food goes a long way to earning trust.
 

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...and if you're able to find a free or low-cost spay/neuter place, you may want to consider using a trap and just trapping the momma and getting her spayed, so she can't have any more kittens.
 

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Right, welcome to the Forums


and tx a lot for saving these cats.


Both your older residents, and these newcomers.

Amazing story, btw - showing us some ferales can manage even very severe injuries - and survive.
Although for the long run survival it is best for them to have someone find them and adopt - like here. So this saga ends happily...




Originally Posted by LDG

...and if you're able to find a free or low-cost spay/neuter place, you may want to consider using a trap and just trapping the momma and getting her spayed, so she can't have any more kittens.
A little clarification is perhaps useful:
I think LDG means it is good enough to TNR her, ie trap, neuter, release.

I second this.

If you dont know anyone who conveniently can foster her, so releasing her is OK. She is grown up, and apparently she herself manages good enough on her own. If she gets spayed - she will do even better.
So also this saga may end well.



Good luck!
 
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Thanks. We are willing to keep both cats, though I could probably find a home for the kitten.
I am working on the kitten more "agressively" I took her crate in the bathroom ( I had to clean it, she sits in the litter pan and poops on the floor) let her ricochet around the room while I ignored her and cleaned the crate, then when she settled down, held her in a towel and stroked her until she stopped shivering. She is still hissing, but she didn't try to bite or scratch.
I got a number for low cost spay and will take the older cat in when I think it will be less traumatic. Since she's not going out again, it's not a rush. I need to find low cost regualar vet services, so I will check the link, thanks, I really can't shell out another $150-200 this month, but also can't let the kitten interact with the other cats until it's got it's basic vacines.
I will try and trap the kitten's mama, but I haven't seen her again.
I think I had a break through with Elsie this morning. When I came in, she came over to the front of the crate and rubbed my hand and let me pet her through the wire. Still retreated when I opened the door to clean out the litter box, but no hissing.
Now I'm getting concerned about going on vacation in 6 weeks, I hope I can get them to the point of at least being out in the room. I have a good pet sitter, but that's a lot to handle.
 
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Bad News - Cloudy was not the only kitten in his litter, I saw 2 more out in the backyard last night, so the trap is going out again this morning. And just to ice the cake, I think Elsie the three-legged cat might be pregnant. Her nipples are sticking out and she is looking bulgy. She's been inside for a month now, so I'm guessing if she is PG it happened right before I trapped her. Which makes her due the week we are on vacation in July. They both went to see Dr Senk (who is great) for shots, though Elsie was awake so she couldn't really examine her, and they will be neutered next month after we get back (assuming Elsie isn't feeding kittens :-0 )

Bad news. Having the new cats around has PO'ed one of my big boys, litterally - so he is up to his old tricks of peeing at the bottom of the steps (such a nice surprise first thing in the am) or even worse, in our shoes. No he does not have UTI, he is just mad at us. I was able to save my husbands sheepskin slippers by washing them with enzyme but my loafers are toast. Back to closet lock up mode, Sigh.

Good news - Cloudy socialized in a few days, he is a sweetie and my little kids can safely play with him.
 

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HI ... I'm on long island too. Dr. Senk is a good vet but not in every day.

Another cheap s/n place is Island Rescue in Bayshore about 10seconds
off of the Southern State Parkway. Last I went there the price was $57
for S/N (unless cat was pregnant) and that included vaccinations.

Whats the update on all the cats/kittens? I'm in North Babylon.
If you want to chat send me a private message.

 
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