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Originally Posted by strange_wings

Depends on the area. They can get rather bold if humans have encroached too much and they get used to people. So can cats - I'm sure everyone has seen the pics of bobcats living in foreclosed California homes.

There are some foxes around the edges of town that aren't that shy, either, they behave comparably to a feral or even just a stray cat.

But yes, I've seen more coyotes recently that look rough and seeing them out during the daytime is a huge red flag. Especially in summer here, nothing is very active and if an animal is something is wrong.
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Here, it aint humans encroaching on coyotes, rather the other way around. Where I am, there are more coyotes per square mile than humans, even taking into account the people in 3 small towns.

The danged things dig equipment breaking holes in grain fields, tunnel under bins on unlived on yards, go after calving cows and sheep and eat the young before they are fully born and some are so bold they pack up and try to bring down adult stock. They go into towns and pick dogs off leashes and have attacked children. They are so bad here, the winter bounty brought in 70,000 coyotes, and by estimates, that is much less than 10% of the population. We got more coyotes than people in this province
 
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Originally Posted by sk_pacer

Here, it aint humans encroaching on coyotes, rather the other way around. Where I am, there are more coyotes per square mile than humans, even taking into account the people in 3 small towns.

The danged things dig equipment breaking holes in grain fields, tunnel under bins on unlived on yards, go after calving cows and sheep and eat the young before they are fully born and some are so bold they pack up and try to bring down adult stock. They go into towns and pick dogs off leashes and have attacked children. They are so bad here, the winter bounty brought in 70,000 coyotes, and by estimates, that is much less than 10% of the population. We got more coyotes than people in this province
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Thank you very much for pointing this out. They are rapidly getting over populated here where I live. They must multiply quickly.
 
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946

I am sorry you are flabbergasted. When they are in our yard, there is no choice. These animals are often rabid. Also my cats have to live outside in a fenced in area. The fence is chain link and the coyotes are well know for their digging efforts. We have lots of wild life here. As long as it stays in the fields around the house it is safe. When wild animals come in the yard with my cats, they are in danger.
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By all means blueyedgirl, you need to wait until AFTER the coyote has killed one of your cats, THEN and only then, you can shoot the critter.
 
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Originally Posted by ckblv

By all means blueyedgirl, you need to wait until AFTER the coyote has killed one of your cats, THEN and only then, you can shoot the critter.
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Sometimes the neighbor's little boy fishes at my pond. What about him. Is he safe from the coyotes.
 
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946

Thank you very much for pointing this out. They are rapidly getting over populated here where I live. They must multiply quickly.
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Average litter size is 8 with less than 40% mortality rate until adult stage is reached. At that rate, according to what little i found, population growth is rapid as it appears that some young bitches have litters in the fall in warmer areas. Litters of as many as 19 have been recorded.
 
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946

Sometimes the neighbor's little boy fishes at my pond. What about him. Is he safe from the coyotes.
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During the daytime he should be. I'm curious what type of liability you'd have if he got hurt down there? Or bitten by a snake (higher likelihood than encountering a coyote)? I hope someone goes with him.
 
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Yep, it goes with the territory. There are coyotes around our farm every night. They start howling almost as soon as the sun goes down. We've never lost a cat to a coyote, but they murder anything poultry like there's no tomorrow. We have a big dog in the barn now to protect the poultry and haven't lost anything since the dog has been there. Just the barking scares the coyotes off.

Can your cats get inside without you opening the door? If not I wouldn't let them out after dark.
 
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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

Yep, it goes with the territory. There are coyotes around our farm every night. They start howling almost as soon as the sun goes down. We've never lost a cat to a coyote, but they murder anything poultry like there's no tomorrow. We have a big dog in the barn now to protect the poultry and haven't lost anything since the dog has been there. Just the barking scares the coyotes off.

Can your cats get inside without you opening the door? If not I wouldn't let them out after dark.
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They are within a fenced in area. There is a cat fence in system that keeps animals from jumping over. We leave a radio playing outside for noise. I was told it would make bobcats and coyotes think it is people talking. They have an insulated dog box where they can get inside that. That is what they did when a bobcat jumped over the fence several years ago. But then that is another story.
 
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946

When they decide to step the ditch and come in our yard by our house, then we have to think safety for ourselves and our cats.
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That is where you mark the territory. That is what the coyotes would understand.

If there are too many coyotes around, and too many deer without hunting, then it's time to stop hunting the mountain lions
 
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Originally Posted by strange_wings

During the daytime he should be. I'm curious what type of liability you'd have if he got hurt down there? Or bitten by a snake (higher likelihood than encountering a coyote)? I hope someone goes with him.
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You are wrong. We have never seen a snake there. The grass is mowed and it is a clear area. But we have seen a coyote. And we have seen more in the fields. Don't worry about my liability because his dad watches him.
 
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946

My husband is allergic to them
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Please understand that this is coming from someone who loves animals.
But if they have to be outside, where coyotes are and no way for any human to know 24 hours a day whether there is a coyote around or not.
Out of the love of a cat you have to make some decisions for these kitties. Either your husband needs to look into take allergy meds or you need to look into providing enclosure that is coyote proof where they can be safe or providing them a home where they are safe.

Cats are food for coyotes. If they come in a pack, your cats will be eaten.
You have to protect them.
Not by shooting a coyote, when you see one, by being proactive with the situation for the safety of your cats and the coyotes.
 
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I'm not clear on all this...the coyote was on your property, but the cats are in a separate enclosed area? Had the coyote dug under a fence to get in your property? You say that if they're on your property, they're in danger...as if the animals should somehow know this.

You justify killing it by saying your cats are in danger, but frankly if coyotes are so overpopulated as you say, then your cats are in constant danger anyway, aren't they? You're certainly not watching the enclosure 24/7...you just happened to see this one. If the fencing is not deep enough to deter coyotes, then it should be, shouldn't it?


The bottom line is, you posted this story on an animal welfare site whose members are animal lovers. Don't get all offended and defensive when you find that others are appalled at your killing of this animal (or, as you call it, "critter"). And yes, I would be just as horrified with a story of your cats being attacked by coyotes, so no, killing the coyote after such an event wouldn't solve anything either, despite what another poster said.


The problem is that, by your own admission, your cats are kept in such a way that they are vulnerable to coyote attacks. Period.
 
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946

They are worse than bobcats.
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There is NOTHING wrong with bobcats.

We got more coyotes than people in this province
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What is wrong with that?? Sounds very wonderful to me. The less humans the better.
As always though, this is how humans take care of everything. Lets KILL it!! If the coyote was attacking or getting ready to attack your cats, then I understand. But, you wouldn't need to kill it. Just shooting near it should chase the coyote off. The questions is, why do your cats need to run the whole 3 acres?? They don't. You can build a much smaller enclosure that IS coyote proof. Very easy to do. The enclosure fence needs to be buried in the ground to prevent anything from digging under. It is even better, if you pour concrete in the trench where the fence will be buried. Also, you can bury about 3-5 feet of fence, that is lying flat on the ground and extending out from and along the otuside edge of the enclosure. That way, if a coyote attempts to dig, it will hit the fence lying on the ground and will not be able to dig down. This same technique is used when you house wolves to prevent them from digging out of their enclosure. I have coyotes in my area too, but they won't bother my bobcats or my cougar. They would become cat food

That is what they did when a bobcat jumped over the fence several years ago. But then that is another story.
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Oh let me guess, you KILLED that too??

Sometimes the neighbor's little boy fishes at my pond. What about him. Is he safe from the coyotes
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You really do need to keep that boy away. Not because of the coyotes, they generally leave humans alone, but if that boy gets hurt or drowns in that pond, you can be sued big time.
 
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat

There is NOTHING wrong with bobcats.

What is wrong with that?? Sounds very wonderful to me. The less humans the better.
As always though, this is how humans take care of everything. Lets KILL it!! If the coyote was attacking or getting ready to attack your cats, then I understand. But, you wouldn't need to kill it. Just shooting near it should chase the coyote off. The questions is, why do your cats need to run the whole 3 acres?? They don't. You can build a much smaller enclosure that IS coyote proof. Very easy to do. The enclosure fence needs to be buried in the ground to prevent anything from digging under. It is even better, if you pour concrete in the trench where the fence will be buried. Also, you can bury about 3-5 feet of fence, that is lying flat on the ground and extending out from and along the otuside edge of the enclosure. That way, if a coyote attempts to dig, it will hit the fence lying on the ground and will not be able to dig down. This same technique is used when you house wolves to prevent them from digging out of their enclosure. I have coyotes in my area too, but they won't bother my bobcats or my cougar. They would become cat food


Oh let me guess, you KILLED that too??


You really do need to keep that boy away. Not because of the coyotes, they generally leave humans alone, but if that boy gets hurt or drowns in that pond, you can be sued big time.
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No, we did not kill the bobcat. As for the little boy, I posted earlier that his father is with him.
My cats are in a smaller enclosed area. The full property is three acres.
 
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Originally Posted by clixpix

I'm not clear on all this...the coyote was on your property, but the cats are in a separate enclosed area? Had the coyote dug under a fence to get in your property? You say that if they're on your property, they're in danger...as if the animals should somehow know this.

You justify killing it by saying your cats are in danger, but frankly if coyotes are so overpopulated as you say, then your cats are in constant danger anyway, aren't they? You're certainly not watching the enclosure 24/7...you just happened to see this one. If the fencing is not deep enough to deter coyotes, then it should be, shouldn't it?


The bottom line is, you posted this story on an animal welfare site whose members are animal lovers. Don't get all offended and defensive when you find that others are appalled at your killing of this animal (or, as you call it, "critter"). And yes, I would be just as horrified with a story of your cats being attacked by coyotes, so no, killing the coyote after such an event wouldn't solve anything either, despite what another poster said.


The problem is that, by your own admission, your cats are kept in such a way that they are vulnerable to coyote attacks. Period.
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Our property is three acres and it is all our yard. The cats are in a separate enclosed area which attaches to my back porch. I am not offended or defensive. I have read every reply and there are some who would have done the same as we did and some who got offended because we did what we did. This is a cat site, not a coyote site. Everyone has an opinion. You have yours and I have mine. Some of these replies agree with you, but some agree with me. That's life. I am not offended and I am sorry you are.
 
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