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post #1 of 24
6/4/10 at 8:44pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkmoJ...eature=related

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POLICE BRUTALITY - Thug Cops Bodyslam 87-Year-Old Alzheimer's Lady Smash Her Head Into Ground
Bad stuff, real bad stuff.
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post #2 of 24
6/5/10 at 5:16am
Something like these Hollywood, FL, cops faking an accident report. Seems they forgot about dash cams and audio recorders in their cars....

Hollywood fakers

Interesting that the video you posted is of some of those, "kinder, gentler Canadian police."
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post #3 of 24
6/5/10 at 5:35am
I didn't see them smash her head into the ground. I did see her on the ground but she may well have tripped or fallen and the police were trying to keep her calm and help her while an ambulance came. Sometimes it's important to look more deeply into something posted on YouTube but then I personally tend to try to hear/see both sides of a story before making any rash judgements.

Having said that, just like everything else in life - there will be good and there will be bad, i.e., good cops/bad cops; good teachers/bad teachers; good sales people/bad sales people - well you get my point. As for YouTube, it's fun but some things that are posted are not necessarily the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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post #4 of 24
6/5/10 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I didn't see them smash her head into the ground. I did see her on the ground but she may well have tripped or fallen and the police were trying to keep her calm and help her while an ambulance came. Sometimes it's important to look more deeply into something posted on YouTube but then I personally tend to try to hear/see both sides of a story before making any rash judgements.

Having said that, just like everything else in life - there will be good and there will be bad, i.e., good cops/bad cops; good teachers/bad teachers; good sales people/bad sales people - well you get my point. As for YouTube, it's fun but some things that are posted are not necessarily the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
I agree completely. You didn't see him smashing her head to the ground. In fact, the camera was completely off them from the time the police was trying to get near her until she was on the ground. I'm guessing she was wandering around aimlessly for a while or family members called saying she was missing and they finally found her. I know while dealing with my grandmother when who had alzheimers she would be VERY belligerent at times and would strike out and was a handful to deal with. There is no proof on this video that the cops did anything wrong. It's very likely she fell because the cane is still beside her.

And yes, there are bad cops and good cops. But I still stand by there are more good than bad.
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post #5 of 24
6/5/10 at 11:54am
Yeah, I'm definitely not disagreeing with not all cops are good cops, but I didn't see anything.
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post #6 of 24
6/5/10 at 6:17pm
There is a form of nutso creepoid that is unfortunately attracted to working in law enforcement, the military, or other fields of employment with power and weapons; that's been the case at least since they invented power and weapons. This isn't a cop problem, it's a human problem.
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post #7 of 24
6/6/10 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by ebrillblaiddes View Post
There is a form of nutso creepoid that is unfortunately attracted to working in law enforcement, the military, or other fields of employment with power and weapons; that's been the case at least since they invented power and weapons. This isn't a cop problem, it's a human problem.
That's a fact.
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post #8 of 24
6/6/10 at 6:10am
One only needs to be working in a booking room at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, trying not to step in the blood, or trying to keep some drunk from breathing on you, listening as a cop tapes a completely graphic and horribly perverted confession, or listening to the wife, the girlfriend, AND the mother of the baby all screaming at each other, and all this while searching someone who's getting sick because it's impossible for them to fight while they're throwing up, and you'll wonder not why some cops go bad...but how any of them keep from it.
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post #9 of 24
6/6/10 at 7:28am
This wasn't police brutality in the slightest way. First of all you could clearly hear the female police officer telling/asking the old woman to put down the knife she was carrying.
She didn't comply. So the female officer had to act to get the knife away from her. Whether she put her on the ground to do it, or the old woman fell in the process of having the knife taken from her, is really beside the point.

Why were the police there in the first place? Probably because the old woman was behaving in a threatening manner and someone called the police.
Whether she was capable of harming someone or not, they couldn't take the chance and had to get the knife from her.
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post #10 of 24
6/6/10 at 9:08am
There will always be someone around that will try to make police look as bad as possible. I can honestly say that as a law-abiding citizen I have never been hassled by police in my life even at parties where the police were called by neighbours. If you show respect, they show respect - that's been my experience anyway.
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post #11 of 24
6/6/10 at 12:38pm
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I guess that was fake blood on the pavement where this poor old lady hit her head when she was body slammed to the ground.
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post #12 of 24
6/6/10 at 1:01pm
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I guess that was fake blood on the pavement where this poor old lady hit her head when she was body slammed to the ground.
Note that "body slammed to the ground" are your words, not those of most of the witnesses.

And if you listen to those around, you can see that they were really hoping for a police confrontation.
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post #13 of 24
6/6/10 at 1:22pm
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I guess that was fake blood on the pavement where this poor old lady hit her head when she was body slammed to the ground.
The blood's not fake and it's unfortunate that the old woman hit her head, but it's unclear from the video footage whether she was taken down by the police officer or she fell during the short scuffle for the knife.
In any event she wasn't body slammed and if you look closely she is STILL resisting after she is lying on the ground and the police officer is trying to calm her and isn't being unduly forceful.

Since you clearly believe the police acted inappropriately, what do you feel should have been done in this instance? Before you start citing that she is an old incapcitated lady with a cane and possible alzheimers, don't forget she was armed with a knife and some old people can move pretty fast when they need to. If she has dementia or alzheimers, who knows what she was thinking?
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post #14 of 24
6/6/10 at 1:32pm
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Here is Las Vegas, police shot and killed a woman that was sitting on a curb with a knife, threatening no one, right in front of 2 of her small children. That was wrong and this was wrong too.

There are many that will excuse anything and everything that the police does, I don't happen to be one of them. They over reacted big time. It is pretty bad when you can't disarm an old lady of 87 of a knife without body slamming her to the ground and cracking her head open.
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post #15 of 24
6/6/10 at 1:35pm
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At :44 that female cop put that old lady on the ground, why can I see it and no one else can?

The old lady was not threatening at all. This was a disgusting display by law enforcement.
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post #16 of 24
6/6/10 at 2:26pm
Can you not see the knife she's holding and waving around? I know several officers who have had career-ending injuries from an old, drunk, or apparently harmless person with weapons as small as a pen knife. Which means you and I get to support them for the rest of their life.

I see the female officer attempt to take the knife from the woman, who then falls down. I don't see any particular force being used. If she was "no danger," then why didn't the dozens of people standing around help her? Disarm her? Why did they stand there trying to get some "real footage?" Do you notice the people carefully walking around her?
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post #17 of 24
6/6/10 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post


There are many that will excuse anything and everything that the police does, I don't happen to be one of them. They over reacted big time. It is pretty bad when you can't disarm an old lady of 87 of a knife without body slamming her to the ground and cracking her head open.
So, again I ask, what method would you propose the police use to disarm the old woman quickly before the situation escalates? A crowd was gathering.
Since you believe their method was wrong, you must have an idea of what method would have been better.
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post #18 of 24
6/6/10 at 3:09pm
There seem to be people who are of the opinion that age makes a person harmless, even pitiful.

When criminals get old, all you have are old criminals. It would be interesting to know how many times they've had to disarm this woman over the years.

An older fellow we used to arrest ALL the time, mostly for alcohol offenses, went to prison just a couple years ago for his first murder...he was 79 at the time, and he used a knife.
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post #19 of 24
6/6/10 at 3:29pm
In nursing homes, in the dementia lockdown units, they have to be VERY careful with things like furniture, eating utensils, pencils/pens, they even have to get cloth dolls for those who like to carry their "babies" around. That's to avoid having to use force when someone does get ahold of something dangerous.
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post #20 of 24
6/7/10 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Not All Cops are Good Cops
In other news, grass is green.
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post #21 of 24
6/7/10 at 11:23am
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In other news, grass is green.
Keycube, you crack me up.
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post #22 of 24
6/8/10 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Keycube View Post
In other news, grass is green.
I want to +1 rep you for that but this board doesn't have that feature. Please take it as implied.
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post #23 of 24
6/8/10 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Here is Las Vegas, police shot and killed a woman that was sitting on a curb with a knife, threatening no one, right in front of 2 of her small children. That was wrong and this was wrong too.

There are many that will excuse anything and everything that the police does, I don't happen to be one of them. They over reacted big time. It is pretty bad when you can't disarm an old lady of 87 of a knife without body slamming her to the ground and cracking her head open.
Just as there are many who will do anything to make police look bad just because they don't like the police. Nowhere in that film did I see the police "slamming" that woman's head onto the pavement. I guess it must be true that we see what we want to see.
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post #24 of 24
6/8/10 at 6:14pm
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In other news, grass is green.
Yeah, grass is green until it happens to your mother, relative, or one you love.........
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