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Yeah, we water-boarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, I'd do it again-George Bush

post #1 of 10
6/3/10 at 9:51am
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http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi..._presiden.html

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GRAND RAPIDS -- Former President George W. Bush was by turns affable, relaxed -- and deadly serious in his local appearance Wednesday.

"Yeah, we water-boarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed," Bush said of the terrorist who master-minded the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. He said that event shaped his presidency and convinced him the nation was in a war against terror.

"I'd do it again to save lives."
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post #2 of 10
6/3/10 at 10:17am
His job was to protect the American people. IMO he did just that. I won't spend one fraction of a second whining about water boarding.

Those who do, ask yourself this "what American city am I willing to sacrifice with a choice of not water boarding".
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post #3 of 10
6/3/10 at 11:01am
With us lowering ourselves to the point of using such tactics, "American City" may not mean anything much longer, other than to identify an urban area. It certainly won't be from being able to honestly claim any form of what used to be American Idealism.

Approving of abusing prisoners of war merely makes the US another rat, fighting for room on the last plank of the sinking ship.
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post #4 of 10
6/3/10 at 11:15am
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I have VERY mixed emotions about waterboarding.
First and Foremost - I don't think Jesus would be in favor of waterboarding.
Secondly - John McCain is a against it and calls it torture and if I'm going to take anyone's word on what "is" or "is not" torture, it is John McCain.

BUT, I am a sinner and have to admit that part of me was glad they waterboarded this guy, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. But it is wrong to feel like that, that is me wanting vengeance.

As far as this dude was very important to giving us information we really needed, that is a harder nut to crack, but ultimately, while I can appreciate President Bush's stance, it is, IMO, wrong to waterboard. Oooooh, it is hard to say those words......
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post #5 of 10
6/3/10 at 11:20am
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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post #6 of 10
6/3/10 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by farleyv View Post
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
I agree with you that he did keep this nation safe. Believe me I do see where you are coming from.
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post #7 of 10
6/3/10 at 11:57am
A mere couple hundred years ago, an army of citizen volunteer soldiers of a brand new nation felt that their ideals and dreams were worth sacrificing their lives.

Today, a cowering citizenry feels that their lives are worth sacrificing their ideals and dreams.

It would appear that the terrorists are well, well on their way to winning this thing.
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post #8 of 10
6/5/10 at 6:15pm
I had a thought about waterboarding the other day. BF's house has a flea problem (his dog is a bit overdue for a treatment and they're out in the country) that's gotten to where you pretty much can't walk in the door without getting bitten...he set off foggers in there but the bugs somehow lived...but back on topic, it occured to me that being dipped to the shoulders in a vat of fleas would be worth trying as an alternative to waterboarding. Not life threatening, but maddeningly uncomfortable; terrorists just might give up some useful information to be able to shower the fleas off.
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post #9 of 10
6/5/10 at 6:44pm
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A mere couple hundred years ago, an army of citizen volunteer soldiers of a brand new nation felt that their ideals and dreams were worth sacrificing their lives.
Just to be sure we're on the same page here, the British and the Hessians (the British' mercenaries) felt that the Americans were very dishonorable the way they fought, hiding behind trees, etc. The Americans (at least, 5% of them or so) were willing to fight for what they believed in, but they weren't willing to be killed unnecessarily.

See how funny history can be?
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post #10 of 10
6/6/10 at 1:31am
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Just to be sure we're on the same page here, the British and the Hessians (the British' mercenaries) felt that the Americans were very dishonorable the way they fought, hiding behind trees, etc. The Americans (at least, 5% of them or so) were willing to fight for what they believed in, but they weren't willing to be killed unnecessarily.

See how funny history can be?
Well, if one feels that the actions at the Boston Tea Party were actually an early form of terrorism, bases their opinion of the early struggles to form a new Nation on the opinions of their enemies and their mercenaries (who continue to forget to mention battlefield confrontations with the Continental Army, and refer only to the aforementioned skirmishes with State's militias, while hiring numerous indian tribes to do the same thing), and feels that the ideals embraced bythe founding fathers were lies and recruiting tools from day one; then I can see why one would feel that abusing prisoners of war is a non-issue.
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