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post #1 of 26
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The first 2 years of my room mates owning our first cat they spent over $2000 at the vet getting abscess's lanced and drained. My friends Mom turned me onto MMS. All it says on the bottle is that its distilled water and 28% sodium chlorite. we've used it dozens of times for multiple things, but mostly for infected cuts! Anytime we see an abscess we immediately start the cat on a low dose of this stuff; 1:1 ratio of MMS and vinegar. One drop to start, twice a day for a couple days. It's worked great, the abscess always goes away within the first 24-48 hours, and we've saved a lot of money! Any comments on whether or not this is safe for my cats?
post #2 of 26
I guess I am in the dark about MMS.

But, I would ask why your cat gets so many abcesses. Is there a lot of fighting going on? A cat that has recurring abcesses needs to be seen by a vet.

I would ask the vet what his opinions are of MMS.
post #3 of 26
I would caution against using anything not discussed with or recommended by a vet. There have been too many animals suffer and die from over-the-counter type remedies and people not doing their research. We must be very careful to get educated and not just believe everything we read.

As the above member said, if your cat is getting that many abscesses, I would recommend seeing a vet - that can't be normal.
post #4 of 26
It would be a lot safer, and less expensive, to eliminate the cause of the abcesses. Are they outdoor cats that get in to fights a lot? Would it be possible to make them indoor cats? Or build an enclosure so they're still outdoors but separated from other animals in the neighborhood?

I did an internet search on MMS. It sounds like snake oil to me. In one place it claims to cure everything from the common cold to HIV. Another paragraph states very clearly that this product is a water purifier and nothing else.

Regular household bleach is sodium hypochlorite, same chemical with one less oxygen atom. I use bleach to clean the litter boxes and it doesn't bother the cats. However, I would be very cautious about putting it directly on them.
post #5 of 26

It's safe, especially if it's used in small amounts.

 

One of my cats came down with a case of pneumonia this week. On Tuesday she came in the house cold, wet, shivering, with one eye stuck closed, breathing at a rate of a hundred or more breaths per minute. She stayed in the same spot all the time and did not eat or drink. I did not get her to the vet that day. I put her in the "steam tent" a few times to break up her congestion, and gave her MMS in a dropper with water.  I was worried about her and did not go out for a couple days. Today she is walking around, even running, eating plenty, cleaning herself. She went outside for a while yesterday even. Her eyes are clear, bright and alert as always. Bring a She is dramatically better.

 

Since I was making MMS up for her anyway, I gave some to some of the other cats. Another cat who has chronic respiratory issues and hasn't been high-energy lately, was annoying my mom by chasing her broom when she was trying to sweep the kitchen yesterday. I have never seen her do that before.

 

One long and cold winter a few years ago, our outdoor cats grew noticeably healthier despite the cold, ice and snow.  I was taking steaming hot water mixed with MMS out to the garage at least twice a day and pouring it over the ice in their bowls from the last watering. Well if you know outdoor cats in winter you'll know that it's the easiest time of year to get them to drink water with something added to it. They will head for the steaming water dish before they even hit the food bowl.

 

It's a sad, sad thing that so many effective remedies get shrugged off as "snake oil" and the people and animals who would be helped by them don't get them because people buy into the whole "that's snake oil, blah blah blah" fearmongering.

post #6 of 26
Two anecdotes from two random single-poster people I don't know, is not what I consider a safe reliable recommendation on any product, especially one I never heard of before. smile.gif

Welcome to TCS. Why not tell us more about yourself and how you came to learn about MMS, and what your vet thinks of it's use in cats?
post #7 of 26

Hi.  With all due respect, MMS has been used by thousands of people with success healing themselves and their pets.  It's easy enough to search the internet to get more data on MMS, anecdotal or otherwise.  I has helped my cat who got pneumonia better than antibiotics since it only kills pathogens, not beneficial flora.  You can get a lot of data on it from the site of the gentleman that discovered it's effectiveness on disease.  Just like medical doctors, not all Vets know all.  It's worth doing your own research in addition to checking with your vet.
 

post #8 of 26

Well, here's my take:

 

'If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it sounds like a duck'..........then it's a bloody duck!

 

And........

 

If it looks like spam, if it sounds like spam................

 

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Advisory
February 15, 2012

 

Health Canada is advising Canadians that using "MMS", also known as Miracle Mineral Solution or Miracle Mineral Supplement may cause serious health problems. The product information lists sodium chlorite as an ingredient and is promoted as a substance that can cleanse toxins from the human body. There are no therapeutic products containing sodium chlorite authorized for oral consumption by humans in Canada.

These serious problems include poisoning, kidney failure and harm to red blood cells that reduces the ability of the blood to carry oxygen. Additional health problems may also include abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhoea.     http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2012/2012_21-eng.php

 

Information Update

May 18, 2012

 

Further to our previous communications, Health Canada is advising Canadians that a new website has been identified selling "MMS", also known as Miracle Mineral Solution or Miracle Mineral Supplement. The website is http://www.buymms.biz  http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/advisories-avis/_2012/2012_74-eng.php

 

 

And, "With all due respect" to the one-hit wonders, IMO, it's utterly unconscionable to suggest the use of this toxin anywhere near cats..........or humans!

post #9 of 26

I won't address the pros and cons of using MMS.

But I will reiterate GoldyCat's question:  why is the cat getting so many abcesses?  If the cat is in a lot of fights, why?  If cuts, any barb wire around that could be taken down/replaced? 

And, is the cat spayed/neutered?

Thanks.

post #10 of 26

Meow....  :)

 

My cat disagrees.  :)  She had a 20% chance of recovery from aspriation pneumonia.  She's curled up next to my laptop now, purring, which she would not be doing had she not received MMS and homeopathics to handle it.  The vet said she would die. On the contrary, she has recovered.

 

Anything taken in sufficient quantity is a poison - aspirin, coca cola, nicotine, penicillin, sugar.  Both Allopathic and Homeopathic therapies have proven that small quantities of numerous substances that would be harmful in large doses are therapeutic.  So, again, I suggest people do their own research.  Relying only on government studies leaves you subject to one viewpoint and one set of metrics which may, or may not, have been reflective of the situation you are trying to handle.

 

The reality is that you can find data to support both sides of the issue.  My point is simply that anyone looking to help their pet should do their own research and think for themselves.  Seems like critical thinking has become a lost art. 

 

Do your own research, make your own decisions. 

 

Cheers!

post #11 of 26

MMS would be Master Mineral Solution?

 

Quote from their website:

The answer to AIDS, hepatitis A,B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind's worse diseases has been found.

 

This looks like quackery to me.  It contains Chlorine Dioxide which is an industrial bleach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide

 

And a bit more reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement

http://www.quackwatch.com/search/webglimpse.cgi?ID=1&query=mms

http://www.badscience.net/2011/06/kids-who-spot-bullshit-and-the-adults-who-get-upset-about-it/#more-2321

(part-way down in the last link)

 

I wouldn't let it near my house let alone me or my cats.

post #12 of 26
Yes. Anything that claims to be a "cure-all" is to be avoided, in my opinion. laughing02.gif
post #13 of 26

Yes, God knows it couldn't possibly be true.  laughing02.gif
 

post #14 of 26
Homeopathy? Seriously?
post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by speakhandsforme View Post

Homeopathy? Seriously?

 

At least it doesn't actively harm unlike MMS, but of course relying on it instead of effective treatment can kill...

post #16 of 26
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The reality is that you can find data to support both sides of the issue.  My point is simply that anyone looking to help their pet should do their own research and think for themselves.  Seems like critical thinking has become a lost art. 

Do your own research, make your own decisions. 

Cheers!

Anecdotes are not data, no matter how many you find, and neither is a guarantee on the internet from the product's creator. I think that it's actually you who needs to develop critical thinking considering you're feeding your cat industrial bleach. I hope your cat has recovered from the damage it undoubtedly caused her.
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Originally Posted by speakhandsforme View Post

Homeopathy? Seriously?

At least it doesn't actively harm unlike MMS, but of course relying on it instead of effective treatment can kill...

True. Although I still won't recommend Rescue Remedy, unlike quite a few people here. I prefer evidence-based medicine.
post #17 of 26
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Yes. Anything that claims to be a "cure-all" is to be avoided, in my opinion. laughing02.gif


Another new guy jumping in on this. Me thinks people should not paint things with such a broad brush before they know what their brushing off. The chemistry behind MMS is VERY simple. No hidden claims, no snake oil. MMS, through oxidation, kills (scientifically verified) pathogens, virus's and bacteria. Yes it's used and has been used in a wide variety of forms from industrial sanitation to water purification but the simple chemistry behind it is the same. Long winded explanation by some old guy named Jim Humble.

 

I think the term cure all happened just because the oxidation kills so many different things, not because it's going to cure your terminal disease.

 

It's been a lifesaver for me. In fact just today I found a kitten\cat with a bad eye infection and no spots at the vet till next week.

 

I could do a followup maybe but will just leave it up to those that are curious to research it for themselves.

 

I was suprised others are familiar with it.


Edited by marbleous - 8/31/12 at 10:56am
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by farleyv View Post

I guess I am in the dark about MMS.

But, I would ask why your cat gets so many abcesses. Is there a lot of fighting going on? A cat that has recurring abcesses needs to be seen by a vet.

I would ask the vet what his opinions are of MMS.

 

yeah.gif  I've never heard of MMS either.  But my first question was what is causing the abcess and in so many numbers.  Any ideas what the cause of this might possibly be?  Did the vet give you any ideas on the cause maybe?  I would check with the vet on the MMS if it were me but maybe someone with more info can be of more help.

post #19 of 26

...kind of a small update to a post earlier in the thread...

 

I live in the country and wound up with about 12 cats and kittens when I bough this place. Over the past several years I've bough dozens of bottles of Clavamox from the vet for abscesses. Personally, I think Clavamox is their goto antibiotic simply because it spoils and you can't keep it laying around for emergencies, but that's besides the point. These kitties out here, I spay/neuter/shots them and take care of them when they get injured but they are their own universe for the most part. I can not afford to be buying Clavamox on a weekly basis for whatever bug they pick up or for whatever scrap they get into.

 

Truth be known, I got the MMS for myself. There are lot's of people desperately taking this stuff hoping it cures what ails them (I'm talking about serious diseases like cancer and lyme disease). My condition isn't so bad and I didn't get this stuff with the desperate hope of a cure me or kill me mentality. I wasn't in a hurry to try it so it sat.

 

One kitten awhile back came up with an eye infection that was BEHIND the eyeball (similar to the situation I was just in). That kitten wasn't so lucky. I found him too late and his eye had already been pushed out of it's socket by the puss and pressure of the infection. It was gross and heartbreaking. ....So yesterday when I found the latest kitty with an eye infection, ...his entire face was wet with puss and he had a big bag of puss coming out of his eye, ...grrmph. It was disgusting. No vet on the weekend? I thought he was going to lose his eye. Since he is a kitty of 10 weeks, I thought it would be ok to try the MMS on him. I put one drop in kitties water and the cat lapped at it like it knew there was something good for him in there. That sounds ridiculous but I've noticed the similar behavior with other cats needing medication. Just today, he is happy, clean and playing like nothing ever happened. His eye still has some recovery time but now barely looks like it was infected to begin with. Can snap a pic to show but nobody would appreciate it unless they saw what it was like yesterday.

 

There are many reasons why I like MMS. Here are a few.

 

  • It costs pennies to the dollar compared to other stuff that hasn't worked as well for whatever reason.
  • It doesn't spoil two weeks out and I don't have to fight or get scratched up to administer it. I just put one drop in a gallon of water (maintenance dose), fill the water dispenser and I'm done.
  • Don't have to separate out drugs and dosages for each/any cat.
  • It takes such a small amount, one $20 kit will last me years, plus, it's such a simple compound, I can make it myself if need be.

 

 

I'm going to start taking it myself soon. That post will likely be made at a more appropriate place but personally, I HAVE used MMS on my cats with great success. It's good for MY situation where I don't just have one spoiled house cat to take care of, but to tell you the truth, I would use it even then. Seeing a kitten go from a morbid Quasi-Moto looking mess to happy and playing overnight counts (to me) for more than anybody's five minutes worth of "research" done at Google.

 

Now back to the source of those absyyses.....

 

[edit] I'm ditzy and usually edit/clean up my posts after posting them. Doh!

post #20 of 26

Hi Speakhandsforme and OrientalSlave, yes, I've used Homeopathy myself for 20 years and while doing research I found a couple of options that are helping my cat through this.  We're into week 2 with the pneumonia and she is much better. Chest still congested but she is much stronger.  She just followed me into the kitchen to get her food rather than eating in my room, major improvement.

 

Speakhandsfome, I'm afraid you are wrong on the 'industrial bleach' thing and you need to go do some more research.  MMS is not industrial bleach.  What you put in your pool is industrial bleach.

 

I agree with Marbleous, the proof is in seeing your pet recover - no amount of argument can change that fact.

 

All I can say is, do your own research, make your own decisions, Keep Calm and Carry On!  wavey.gif

 

 

Viral anecdotes may not be data, but firsthand experience certainly is.

 

Here's my girl napping.  Considering vet prognoses was dead in a few days, I think we're going pretty darn good!!!  woohoo.gif Both the MMS and the Homeopathy are helping my kitty and that's all I'm concerned about. I have no argument with Naysayers, I'm only interested in keeping my cat alive and healthy.  And I thought I'd share my experience since I got a lot of help from other people-both cat owners and animal care professionals-  on other sites that did the same.  Maybe they other site are just friendlier, I don't know.

post #21 of 26

Hi,

Tonight I was informed that my beloved cat Ramses has enlarged kidneys and liver.  They want to biopsy the kidneys to see if he has cancer but even if he does or doesn't he will not live long. If not cancer they think it's FIP. They want to put him on prednisone for awhile to help him feel good.  I have heard about MMS through a friend and am wondering, what  have I got to lose.? Any help would be much appreciated.

post #22 of 26

If you mean Miracle Mineral Solution it reads like a quack remedy.  From it's website:

 

Quote:
The answer to AIDS, hepatitis A,B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind's worse diseases has been found. Many diseases are now easily controlled. More than 75,000 disease victims have been included in the field tests in Africa. Scientific clinical trials have been conducted in a prison in the country of Malawi, East Africa.

 

Then look at what it actually is (from wikipedia):

 

Quote:

Miracle Mineral Supplement, often referred to as Miracle Mineral Solution, Master Mineral Solution, or MMS, is the colloquial product name for an aqueous solution of 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. The mixture is essentially the same as industrial-strength bleach

 

Do NOT go there. 

post #23 of 26

How do you get the cat to take the MMS?  Mine has FIP (Feline Infectious Peritonitis) and I would like to try and help it.

post #24 of 26

Which homeopathy product would you recommend for Feline Infectious Peritonitis?  The cat seems to have fluid in the lungs.

post #25 of 26

DuncanMacmillan, Since you know your cat has FIP, I'm assuming this diagnosis was given to you by a vet.

The vet must have told you that FIP is fatal.

 

It's not an easy thing for anyone here to tell someone this about their loved kitty, but the fact is, there is nothing that you can do for him/her, (you don't mention male or female so I will just say him) other than try to keep him as comfortable as possible, feed him whatever he will eat, etc and give lots of love, reassurance that he is so loved and cared for, and when he shows signs of suffering at all, to stop this and have him put to sleep so that his last times on earth will not be in pain or distress.

This is the kindest thing you can do for him.

 

You also haven't mentioned the wet form or the dry, although you did say there is fluid in the lungs, which tells me it is likely the wet form.  This also means he is already beginning to suffer, as this makes breathing harder and labored, which is extremely uncomfortable.

The wet form of FIP works through the cat's system quite fast. With fluid accumulation in the lungs now, there is not much time left.

 

I am so sorry to say this to you, your kitty is one of the unfortunate ones.

 

You obviously love your cat or you wouldn't have come here to ask for advice with this, and I am truly sorry that there is nothing I can tell you that will help.

The very best advice I can give you, is to please try to remember that letting him go gracefully before his suffering gets worse, and it will, quickly become worse, do what he would want you to do, put him out of his suffering state and have him put to sleep.

He will know you are helping him. If cats could talk he would most certainly thank you for it, and for caring for him, loving him and giving him a good home and a good life, and putting your feelings aside because this is for him now, this is what he needs you to do for him, one last thing.

 

Many of us here on the cat site know exactly what you are feeling and will be going through once he is gone, being unable to help our furry loved ones is the worst, we would give anything to fix them, but sadly there is nothing at all that can be done for FIP other than gently let him go and rest in peace.

Set his young spirit free from his failing body.

 

Hugs to you. :alright:

post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by DuncanMacmillan View Post
 

Which homeopathy product would you recommend for Feline Infectious Peritonitis?  The cat seems to have fluid in the lungs.


Duncan, unfortunately, there is NO homeopathy product out there that is a miracle cure for FIP, or really for anything (for certain).  But on the other hand, there is no test that I know of that diagnosis FIP in the first place.  It is an offshoot from the Coronavirus, which is pretty common in cats. 

 

You might want to start up your own thread describing exactly what is happening with your cat and why your Vet gave you this diagnosis.  Perhaps others can give an opinion.  If it IS FIP, did they tell you whether or not they thought it was the dry form or the wet form?

 

Sorry, I've got to run right now, but give us a little more info in a new thread and we can give you our thoughts, at least.

 

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