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post #1 of 29
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I don't know what to do anymore... Marigold is a 3 1/2 year old female who is normally very loving and gets along with all people and most cats. I moved in with my dad and sister in december and took Marigold with me, it took her about two or three days to start to get along with my sisters two boy cats. The boyfriend and I recently added a 11/2 year old boy cat to our family. Marigold and Haylo got along after a few hours however its been about a month that we've had Haylo and they are not getting along anymore. Marigold gets so scared she has started running under the bathroom sink cabinet and relieving herself there. She doesn't even leave our bedroom unless we are with her, that includes us having to watch her go to the bathroom because Haylo decides to attack her whenever he sees her. Why did they get along the first few days and now she can't even tolerate him. Haylo even pulls out Marigolds fur. I have put her litter box in the bedroom along with her food and water dish but I know that it cant remain this way forever. How do I get them to like or at least get along with each other again. There is a fair bit in size difference between the two. Marigold is very petite and Haylo is a bit of a larger in length cat. Sorry for the long post but I don't really know what to try or do to get the peace back.
post #2 of 29
I have to honestly say that first mistake was not slowly introducing them.....Marigold sounds like a pretty laid back, neutral kitty..... and Haylo sounds like a territorial, physically abusive bully. They need to be separated, Marigold needs reassurance and protection. Imagine you are so terrified and tormented, you pee your pants, this is what she is going through........She doesn't want to do this.
post #3 of 29
Are both Haylo & Marigold fixed?

There are several things you can try. There is a product called Feliway that often helps cats in stressful situations. You may need to fully separate them & do a re-introduction, I'm trying to find a good thread on doing that right now.

ETA: This is all I can find right now - an article on introducing cats.
post #4 of 29
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so am i doing it right by giving her our room to have as a safe place with her litter and everything in here?
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by Lil Annie View Post
so am i doing it right by giving her our room to have as a safe place with her litter and everything in here?
Absolutely! This is the best thing you can do to help her feel safe and comfortable. I'm sure she will confirm this by using her litter, eating, and drinking where she feels safe, and most important will want some lovin....
post #6 of 29
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yes they are both fixed
post #7 of 29
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this feliway stuff how long does it take to work on the cats? and will it be a slow process in getting them to get along if it will work? They are now at the point where they can be in the same room and kind of sit by each other without freaking out too much.
post #8 of 29
Sometimes with Feliway the difference is almost immediate, I guess I've seen results in about a day (cats are more relaxed).
post #9 of 29
Feliway will take some time to work but it is worth it. YOu will need one diffuser for every 400 square feet in the home.

In addition to the excellent advice already given I want to add that Marigold should have a check up at the vet. Stress causes illness in cats and she could be developing a urinary tract infection from all the stress she has been through, moving, meeting the two new cats and now meeting Halyo and him beating her up.

(It's not that Marigold can't tolerate Haylo. It's that HE is terrorizing HER.)

Keep us posted!
post #10 of 29
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So they aren't doing any better. They seem to be ok when someone is in the room with them, but as soon as that person leaves Haylo attacks. It's just random too no particular incident that Marigold does. She walks out of the bedroom and a couple minutes later they are fighting. So what now, my sister borrowed the Feliway and I haven't got it back yet. Anything I can do naturally or is this just a patience thing now.
post #11 of 29
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So its been awhile now and they seem to be still having there fights. They can be in the same room together now without having to many fights. Tonight they were both in the bedroom haylo on the bed and marigold beside the bed sleeping on the laptop. I decided that since they were both sleeping I would take marigold and place her beside haylo. They both stayed there for a couple minutes and didn't do anything. Then I accidentally dropped something and they both got up and went their separate ways. No fights that time. Maybe things are finally starting to work.
post #12 of 29
Thanks for the update and I'm glad things are starting to go better for Marigold. I wouldn't recommend forcing it that way any more though. Just let them proceed at their own pace.
post #13 of 29
Definitely, let them proceed at their own pace. What you can do to help is work on scent swapping and positive reinforcement. You can also use "time outs" for Haylo at this point, to help reinforce behavior you expect.

It works like this: cats learn best by emphasizing the positives. They're also very "what's in it for me" kind of animals, so the first thing to do is work on getting each of them to associate the other one with good things. Get some new toys, get some new treats they love - rub each of them all over with a couple of clean rags or wash cloths (keep track of which one smells like who!) - and when you feed them, put a cloth that smells like the other one under the dish.

Give each one alone play time (this also helps work off stress). When done using the interactive wand toy, put really yummy treats down on a cloth that smells like the other cat. Reinforce the idea to Marigold that Haylo also means good things, not just being attacked - and reinforce to Haylo that Marigold means fun and treats.

When they're near each other and he's not being aggressive, tell them WHAT good kitties they are! SUCH good kitties! Whenever Haylo walks into a room where Marigold is and he ignores her, tell him WHAT a good boy he is!

...and when you leave the room, and you hear him go after her, go back in there, say NO HAYLO very firmly (not shouting). Pick him up, and as you carry him to the bathroom, tell him you're taking him for a time out because Marigold is NOT a toy and he has got to stop scaring her. Shut him in there for five minutes. When five minutes is up, open the door without looking at him or saying anything and just walk away.

This way you reinforce the good things, and Haylo learns (over time, this isn't something that works overnight) that attacking Marigold gets him closed off, alone and ignored.

I'd also consider buying some Bach's Rescue Remedy (a particular type and mixture of flower essences, designed to help reduce stress). Add drops to their fresh water every day when you clean the water dish. I'd also dab a little under Marigold's chin - it will work with the Feliway to help reduce her stress. It may also help calm Haylo down a bit.
post #14 of 29
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Well he just went to attack her so I told him no and put him in his kennel. That is where we put him when he attacks Marigold. We've done this since he first started attacking her. He doesn't even resist going into it anymore he just walks right in to it when you put him by the kennel door. Is he just not fighting with us to go in there because he knows what he is doing or what is he thinking. Thanks for the advice so far people.
post #15 of 29
I'll be honest and admit I've not read all the replies, so this might have already been stated. Use a towel to "herd"' the offender away from Marigold. Just drape it between the two cats and then direct him away into another room or another area of the same room. Keep doing this as long as he continues to attack her.
post #16 of 29
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ok so things are kind of getting better now. Less fighting between the two. Its now at the point that when they do fight Haylo knows he did something wrong he will just go into his kennel on his own, but he is still not learning to not do this. What can we do now to get it so he fully understands what he did and to not do it again. He knows that if he's bad he will be put into the kennel but he does it again the next time.
post #17 of 29
There is no way to get him to understand what he did and why it's wrong. I still don't think you should put him in the crate, just redirect him and engage him in appropriate play.
post #18 of 29
Yes, that. It's not wrong to him, after all, he is just reacting and being who he is. I'm glad things are going better, just give it more time.

Are you using feliway plug in diffusers? Or rescue remedy?
post #19 of 29
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ya we have the feliway diffuser and the feliway spray. Both cats were sleeping before Haylo on our bed and Marigold on top of the fridge, I grabbed Marigold off the fridge and took her to the bedroom where Haylo was sleeping. I put them next to each other and they just stayed there, Marigold growled for a minute and then was quiet and stayed quietly beside Haylo.. No fighting this time.. Hopefully just a little bit more. If i keep putting them together when they have been sleeping will they just start to get use to each other?
post #20 of 29
Don't force them and don't try to hurry the situation. Just let them be and they'll work it out. If it gets a bit rough for them, use the towel to separate them and redirect their attention. You can also clap your hands and firmly say "NO!", not yelling just use a firm tone. I've also used a Coke can filled with a few dry beans with the top taped shut. Just rattle it to get their attention, then tell them "NO!". Sometimes just the distraction of the noise will cause them to calm down.
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by Lil Annie View Post
ya we have the feliway diffuser and the feliway spray. Both cats were sleeping before Haylo on our bed and Marigold on top of the fridge, I grabbed Marigold off the fridge and took her to the bedroom where Haylo was sleeping. I put them next to each other and they just stayed there, Marigold growled for a minute and then was quiet and stayed quietly beside Haylo.. No fighting this time.. Hopefully just a little bit more. If i keep putting them together when they have been sleeping will they just start to get use to each other?
Don't do that anymore. Let them adjust at their own pace. Things are going fine! if you try to rush or interfere it may make things go in the other direction.
post #22 of 29
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They are getting along fine even more now, but Marigold has now been peeing and pooping where she wants. The boyfriend has started disciplining her when she hisses at Haylo for whatever reason, and has been putting her into her kennel. I got home from work today and she peed and pooped in the kennel along with the occasional pee in the bedroom from when I moved her back in here. Is she acting out because of the discipline and her never really being disciplined and of course having to do with having another cat or is it something else?
post #23 of 29
Usually when a cat pees or poos outside the box, they're trying to tell you something - not out of spite or anger, but because something is wrong and the box is 'hurting' them.

I strongly suggest you get your girl into the vet for a UTI check - stress can bring these on, such as having a new cat in her home, daddy seeming upset with her, all that. Tell the vet the entire story, but I wouldn't be surprised if she does have a UTI, her bladder is irritated, she feels like she has to pee all the time and it hurts - and her box hurts her when she pees, so she's trying to find somewhere else it doesn't hurt.

Cats really truly don't react well to disciplining or negative reinforcement - they can learn from positive reinforcement, such as was suggested in other posts, and letting them go at their own pace.

In the meantime, I'd call the vet now for an urgent appointment, get some enzyme cleaners to clean up her carrier and other accident spots, get a couple of new litter boxes, just in case she associates the old ones with pain, and if you can move the boxes a bit, that's great as well. And, I always suggest Cat Attract litter if there's been a box issue - it worked well with my boy, and many people have had success with it. But, please, I beg you, get her into the vet for a check up.
post #24 of 29
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So Marigold decided to smarten up and not pee anywhere but the litter boxes now and they are finally getting along.. Here is a picture of them sitting by each other and not "killing" each other
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post #25 of 29
you should really try the old towel trick. it's used between dogs and cats when they aren't getting along to releave some of the stress and gently ease them into getting to know each other. put the two cats in two separate rooms. give them each a small hand towel. Have them roll on it, sleep on it, eat on it, and play with it if possible. after 24 hrs, switch towels and repeat steps again. switch towels again and again. while doing the towel trick, give each cat a toy or two to play with. have them play with it as much as possible for 24 hrs, then switch toys. play with the swapped toys for a little bit, then take a brake and play again. You can do this for as long as you like. It gets them used to each other's smells which might make things easier the next time they see each other.
post #26 of 29
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They jumped up on that window seat all on their own. I was laying on the bed and haylo came in and looked at window and jumped up. Marigold looked at him and didn't even hiss or growl. I think she is starting to realize that he isn't going anywhere and that she needs to just let her spoiledness go. I think they have found a mutual spot where they can both be and not fight each other. I gave them both treats for not freaking out on the other. YAY things are finally starting to look ok with them.
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by Lil Annie View Post
They jumped up on that window seat all on their own. I was laying on the bed and haylo came in and looked at window and jumped up. Marigold looked at him and didn't even hiss or growl. I think she is starting to realize that he isn't going anywhere and that she needs to just let her spoiledness go. I think they have found a mutual spot where they can both be and not fight each other. I gave them both treats for not freaking out on the other. YAY things are finally starting to look ok with them.
This is great news! Giving them treats when they are getting along is also really good, it not only helps them bond with interaction as equals with you, but encourages them that when they are calm together, they are rewarded.....
post #28 of 29
That's exactly what I did when I introduced my boy - I kept telling my girl that she was the love of my life, and I always fed her first - but, I also started feeding them in close proximity to each other, and whenever they were in the same room and not hissing, I made sure they both got a treat.
post #29 of 29
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Well things are going pretty good with Haylo and Marigold as she is now starting to fight back and not always run to me for safety when Haylo does attack her.
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