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Tea Party stumbles at starting gate in KY

post #1 of 12
5/21/10 at 9:00am
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The Tea Party's darling, Rand Paul, turned right wing politician on them in less than 24 hours, with statements that holding BP responsible for their own mess is "anti-business" and "Un-American", that he has issue with part of the Civil Rights act, and that there would be no need for laws if "everyone where Christian". (I suppose that 65% plus Christian prison population is just a fluke or misunderstandings). And then, in true politician style, ducking and dodging giving a straight answer to any of it.

Plus, he had his victory celebration at a private, gated Country Club, invited guests only.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...TR8AQD9FRA2TO4
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...enate-campaign

Oh, and he also claims that he is being abused by specifically named commentators from specifically named networks (haven't we been told before that's childish and unbecoming?)

Whatever his "meant to says" or retractions are, it would appear that he's done the damage. The Democrats are having a ball with him, and the Republicans are scared to be seen around him.

The KY Republicans considered him a potentially "weak" candidate BEFORE he opened his mouth. Now, I think they might be panicking.
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post #2 of 12
5/21/10 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
The Tea Party's darling, Rand Paul, turned right wing politician on them in less than 24 hours, with statements that holding BP responsible for their own mess is "anti-business" and "Un-American"
Technically speaking, Rand Paul is a Libertarian, and those are Libertarian positions (check out their web site). In addition, their position on almost all government interference is that people are basically good, and that government is best which governs least.

Now, personally, his stand on abortion (it should be illegal in every case) and his general craziness would be a turn-off for me. In addition, I've never gotten the popularity of his dad. I'll admit I've only heard one interview with him, but he sure sounded like he had started drinking too early in the day.

But Rand is going to have to get the support of the Republican Party if he's going to have any chance of getting elected.
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post #3 of 12
5/21/10 at 10:57am
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Technically speaking, Rand Paul is a Libertarian, and those are Libertarian positions (check out their web site). In addition, their position on almost all government interference is that people are basically good, and that government is best which governs least.

Now, personally, his stand on abortion (it should be illegal in every case) and his general craziness would be a turn-off for me. In addition, I've never gotten the popularity of his dad. I'll admit I've only heard one interview with him, but he sure sounded like he had started drinking too early in the day.

But Rand is going to have to get the support of the Republican Party if he's going to have any chance of getting elected.
I completely agree. I think Bob Bechel may be right. The Dems are going to love to have Rand Paul as an opponent. It pretty much guarantees their win in Nov. As much as I love that the turncoat Specter is out, it's not a good omen for Republicans.
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post #4 of 12
5/21/10 at 12:13pm
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Well, the Tea Party's wanted him, now they've got him. I'm going use a statement that's been made on this forum numerous times before.

They voted for him, they deserve him.
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post #5 of 12
5/22/10 at 10:40am
I have a hard time swallowing the idea the Rand Paul is truly a Libertarian. He's vehemently opposed to abortion to the point where he'd like to see a law that the Supreme Court can't even consider whether or not abortion should be legal and he's apparently opposed to the legalization of marijuana. Those are both instances where the government tells citizens, "No, you can't do that for your own good and the good of society." Yet when it comes to the government telling businesses that they can't do that, he suddenly becomes a big proponent of Laissez Faire politics. To me, that stance appear to be more "pro-business" than Libertarian.
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post #6 of 12
5/22/10 at 6:33pm
I heard Rand Paul talking about abortion the other day, and he made the point that the main purpose of government is to protect the rights of those who are unable to defend them themselves, and the unborn fall in that class. In that respect, he makes the Libertarian argument.

However, the official Libertarian platform has a hands-off opinion on the subject.

As I said, I found his opinion to be so dogmatic that it shocked me.
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post #7 of 12
5/22/10 at 8:50pm
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As I said, I found his opinion to be so dogmatic that it shocked me.
Yeah, that's it exactly. He's apparently against an exception of any kind. Like it would never be possible that the mother would be the one that needs protecting. A little more research also seems to indicate that he's also anti-gay marriage. I'm not sure that there's any way that one could possibly be spun into protecting the defenseless.
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post #8 of 12
5/23/10 at 7:34am
I heard someone say that his Libertarian credentials were nowhere near as good as his dad's. I'll be honest; from what little I know of both of them (and keep in mind that Ron Paul is a congressman for Texas), I just don't like them.
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post #9 of 12
5/23/10 at 4:25pm
Yeah, I'm not a fan of either of the Pauls myself.

I've been out of town for four days, what part of the Civil Rights Law does he think should be "rewritten?"
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post #10 of 12
5/23/10 at 6:05pm
All I've seen him say is that he takes the Libertarian view that the government shouldn't be trying to do social engineering by putting the burdens on private business. However, he has said he is NOT in favor of repealing any of the Civil Rights laws; he says he was just engaging in a theoretic discussion, not in a statement of policy.

I still don't like him. But at least he isn't a lawyer.
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post #11 of 12
5/24/10 at 7:43am
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of either of the Pauls myself.

I've been out of town for four days, what part of the Civil Rights Law does he think should be "rewritten?"
The part where private businesses can use their own discretion concerning the right to discriminate against anyone. In other words, a restaurant owner that doesn't like black people shouldn't be forced to serve them in their restaurant. He was OK with forcing civil rights in government based places.

He claims that he's not a racist (I do believe that), and that everyone should be on the honor system in honoring civil rights. Yeah, that's going to happen.
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post #12 of 12
5/24/10 at 10:11am
I agree that in a perfect world, laws such as the civil rights legislation never ever would have been necessary - since nothing like discrimination based on race, religion, sex or sexual preference would ever have existed. But, poor guy, he realized far too late, IMO, that his argument, taken to its logical end, was going to end up saying discrimination is just fine and dandy as long as its the private sector that discriminates.

And, yeah, being upset with BP is un-American - looks like the gulf states, at least, are just chockful of unAmerican people these days.
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