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post #1 of 70
5/19/10 at 6:24am
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This is the worst, most destructive president in recent history.
Which is just an example of the type of outburst I'm adressing below...

I'm sure someone must have posted this fact somewhere already, but doesn't the fact that Obama inherited a country in more disarray - on so many levels - than any U.S. President in recent memory, mean anything to anyone? Might he be the "worst, most destructive president in recent history"? Sure. But typically, a reconstructive process is never pretty; it's because the status quo has failed, and that which is familiar may need to go by the wayside. And that breeds insecurity and paranoia.

But couldn't we perhaps wait for an end-result to appear before lobbing such egregious statements? I honestly can't believe some of you people; you basically applaud the fact that so many problems have been ignored, yet when someone finally takes initiative to combat a problem, everyone's so perturbed that the problem isn't rectified immediately, or according to their superior master plan.

Do you honestly feel better that you feel that you've "got one over" on Obama and his corrupt socialist henchmen when, in your eyes, he's failed once again? Is that what makes you a true American? Distancing yourself from policy that isn't instantly gratifying?

Oh, but...but...Bush sure took a lot of heat, didn't he! Partisanship, they cried! Well, not really. After his speech immediately following 9-11, it seemed most every American was behind him 100%. He unified a country. I loved the guy. It was only after his first term, when it was obvious his ahem, "good intentions" overseas had unraveled, that many - as well as much of the media - started taking him to task.

Call me naive; but I'm still of the belief that when the President succeeds, we all succeed. Is that really true? Not necessarily; it's virtually impossible to appease every demographic with umbrella policy, but you need to believe that it's true. Otherwise, there's not much sense in participating in the process anymore, is there.

But then again, I could be wrong. IMHO, and all that.
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post #2 of 70
5/19/10 at 6:32am
Sound very much like what people did here with Gordon Brown and well Labour in general for 13 years Labour tried to clean up the mess the Tories got us in so that means Labour bad so what did the UK do we let the tories in to finish the country off. What I have found is people run there mouths off at every little bad thing about anything and never see the good, its a never ending cycle in all countries
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post #3 of 70
5/19/10 at 8:33am
Each President is so described by his opposition. Only history will really tell. I've pointed out so many times that one President left office extremely unpopular. His last election had given the country high hopes for healing after a rough time, but it was not to be. He had a southern accent, a poor speaking voice, and little personal presence. He left the country involved in an Asian war he couldn't seem to run properly, being constantly at odds with his generals and ignoring their advice. When he left office, the country breathed a sigh of relief.

Today, Truman is considered on of our better Presidents.

Or, you might consider Jimmy Carter, who today is regarded by most historians as an almost complete failure as President, but who, if he kept his mouth shut, might well be on his way to rehabilitation.

Or consider Ronald Reagan, who is today regarded with much more favor than he was during his Presidency, even by his opponents. Part of that was his willingness to talk to the people and to talk to his opponents, a habit this President and his predecessor seemed to be weak on.

I have had high hopes for Obama, even if he wasn't "my guy." I firmly believe in a regular shift in party power in government. So far, he's been a mixed bag in most fields, and a severe disappointment in others. Thirty years from now, history will be able to assess him more dispassionately.

But I automatically reject accusations of "worst ever" while a President is still in office. It takes years for most President's actions to show any results.
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post #4 of 70
5/19/10 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Keycube View Post
A quote lobbed by someone on the board:



Which is just an example of the type of outburst I'm adressing below...

I'm sure someone must have posted this fact somewhere already, but doesn't the fact that Obama inherited a country in more disarray - on so many levels - than any U.S. President in recent memory, mean anything to anyone? Might he be the "worst, most destructive president in recent history"? Sure. But typically, a reconstructive process is never pretty; it's because the status quo has failed, and that which is familiar may need to go by the wayside. And that breeds insecurity and paranoia.

But couldn't we perhaps wait for an end-result to appear before lobbing such egregious statements? I honestly can't believe some of you people; you basically applaud the fact that so many problems have been ignored, yet when someone finally takes initiative to combat a problem, everyone's so perturbed that the problem isn't rectified immediately, or according to their superior master plan.

Do you honestly feel better that you feel that you've "got one over" on Obama and his corrupt socialist henchmen when, in your eyes, he's failed once again? Is that what makes you a true American? Distancing yourself from policy that isn't instantly gratifying?

Oh, but...but...Bush sure took a lot of heat, didn't he! Partisanship, they cried! Well, not really. After his speech immediately following 9-11, it seemed most every American was behind him 100%. He unified a country. I loved the guy. It was only after his first term, when it was obvious his ahem, "good intentions" overseas had unraveled, that many - as well as much of the media - started taking him to task.

Call me naive; but I'm still of the belief that when the President succeeds, we all succeed. Is that really true? Not necessarily; it's virtually impossible to appease every demographic with umbrella policy, but you need to believe that it's true. Otherwise, there's not much sense in participating in the process anymore, is there.

But then again, I could be wrong. IMHO, and all that.
Excellent post!
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post #5 of 70
5/19/10 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
Excellent post!
+1

I rarely come into this Forum, because it's so upsetting to me to see the negative, sometimes hate-filled, usually paranoid "opinions".

Very outstanding post, Keycube....IMO.
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post #6 of 70
5/19/10 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by nanner View Post
+1

I rarely come into this Forum, because it's so upsetting to me to see the negative, sometimes hate-filled, usually paranoid "opinions".

Very outstanding post, Keycube....IMO.
Why is it that if a person disagrees with Barack they are, "negative, sometimes hate-filled, usually paranoid "opinions".

For the umpteenth time, I have no hate in my heart for Barack Obama, none.


To the OP,
I, like Rush , certainly hope Barack Obama FAILS. IMO, his objective is for everyone to be the same, redistribute the wealth, HIS words, not mine.
The man, along with the morons in Congress has quadrupled the debt, and he is barely a year into it. Once Cap & Trade passes the Senate, who knows what will happen. The Far Left has taken over the Democratic Party.
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post #7 of 70
5/19/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
Sound very much like what people did here with Gordon Brown and well Labour in general for 13 years Labour tried to clean up the mess the Tories got us in so that means Labour bad so what did the UK do we let the tories in to finish the country off. What I have found is people run there mouths off at every little bad thing about anything and never see the good, its a never ending cycle in all countries
I was just thinking that as I read this we can't be sure really, time will tell all. People are too quick to make assumptions and the papers have alot to answer for. x
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post #8 of 70
5/19/10 at 3:48pm
I said it before and I say it again, I'm certain that if Obama could part the seas and walk on water there are still those who would find something to put him down for, which is unfortunate since he has barely had any time to fix any of the problems he inherited.
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post #9 of 70
5/19/10 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I said it before and I say it again, I'm certain that if Obama could part the seas and walk on water there are still those who would find something to put him down for, which is unfortunate since he has barely had any time to fix any of the problems he inherited.
I am damn sick and tired of his and his supporters WHINING about what he inherited! What makes him any different than any new President or company CEO? They ALL inherit stuff from their predecessors - some good, some not so good. I don't recall Bush or Bush 1 or Clinton or Reagan complaining about what they INHERITED from the prior administration. It's high time Obama grow up and grow a set and take some responsibility for his OWN actions and failures.
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post #10 of 70
5/19/10 at 4:24pm
Doesn't matter who is President, people will hate him.
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post #11 of 70
5/19/10 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I am damn sick and tired of his and his supporters WHINING about what he inherited! What makes him any different than any new President or company CEO? They ALL inherit stuff from their predecessors - some good, some not so good. I don't recall Bush or Bush 1 or Clinton or Reagan complaining about what they INHERITED from the prior administration. It's high time Obama grow up and grow a set and take some responsibility for his OWN actions and failures.
Perhaps not, but I also don't think they were so vehemently put down and criticized so early in their terms either.
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post #12 of 70
5/19/10 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Perhaps not, but I also don't think they were so vehemently put down and criticized so early in their terms either.
Because they didn't deserve it so early in their terms! Obama has earned all the criticism he has received, and then some!!!

Just one example - Neither he nor apparently any of the losers he appointed to his cabinet and their underlings can be bothered to take 10 minutes to read the AZ immigration law before they jump to numerous conclusions about how it opens up racial profiling, when it actually does the opposite! And it mirrors the federal law, you know, the one that he refuses to enforce??!! But then the moron also ventured an "OPINION" on the Professor Gates fiasco, when once again he prefaced his opinion with "I don't know what happened, but.........."

He deserves every bit of criticism he receives, and I dearly wish we could have a do over of the 2008 election. But I guess we'll just have to wait until 2012 when I'm sure he will be sent packing!
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post #13 of 70
5/19/10 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Why is it that if a person disagrees with Barack they are, "negative, sometimes hate-filled, usually paranoid "opinions".

For the umpteenth time, I have no hate in my heart for Barack Obama, none.


To the OP,
I, like Rush , certainly hope Barack Obama FAILS. IMO, his objective is for everyone to be the same, redistribute the wealth, HIS words, not mine.
The man, along with the morons in Congress has quadrupled the debt, and he is barely a year into it. Once Cap & Trade passes the Senate, who knows what will happen. The Far Left has taken over the Democratic Party.
Hardly. If the far left had taken over the Democratic party, we would have had a single-payer system. Instead we have a monstrosity that keeps the insurance companies in control with virtual monopolies in many states. That was heavily influenced by the Republican plan of 1993 and by Mitt Romney's efforts in Massachusetts.

Rather, the Republican party has drifted so far to the right that Reagan wouldn't be a Republican.
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post #14 of 70
5/19/10 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Perhaps not, but I also don't think they were so vehemently put down and criticized so early in their terms either.
In that case, you've got a great forgetter. Reagan was absolutely hated by the left, and the "Impeach Bush" signs actually appeared before his inauguration. It was a hard 8 years for loyal Bush supporters, and no supporter of Obama should be astonished that they're more than ready to dish out what they received. In fact, compared to Bush, Obama has had a positively easy ride, since he has the press on his side. Bush had the press on his side for only about 6 months after 9/11, and then they went back to attacking him unmercifully. Or have you forgotten Dan Rather's little problem, too?

That treatment was not fair, and I've seen plenty of treatment of Obama that isn't fair, either. That's what "playing politics" is all about. It doesn't have to do with fairness, but rather who is "your guy."
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post #15 of 70
5/19/10 at 8:09pm
What Mr. Obama inherited was the greatest most generous self-sacrificing nation that has ever existed in the entire history of mankind. He sure as heck didn't help to build it, and all he has done so far is to do every thing possible to tear it down and tear it apart.

You seem to forget that Democrats controlled Congress after the 2006 elections and were going to "drain the swamp" as Ms. Pelosi said. Instead they flooded the swamp with the shenanigans of Jack Murtha and Charlie Rangel and a whole host of others. Oh, and it was going to be not only the most ethical Congress but the most transparent in history. Your near-sightedness makes me laugh, but I have to laugh to keep from crying about citizens who are so ignorant and still drinking the koolade.

The Democrats including lord Barack did everything possible to secure defeat in Iraq, and yet when Mr. Bush stayed the course and proved the surge was working along come Barry and Biden and claim credit for it. It's his war now and it's about to blow up in his face just like the rest of his Cabinets inability to address the truth about radical muslim extremists.

Captitalism and free markets built this nation by allowing people to succeed on their hopes, dreams, initiatives, and work ethic. Now Mr. Obama intends to take the best economic engine in the world and turn it into a socialist dictatorship. We aren't going down that easy nor are we going quietly in the night, count on it.
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post #16 of 70
5/19/10 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I, like Rush , certainly hope Barack Obama FAILS.
I'm sorry, but this has got to be the saddest thing I have ever read. If you want our president to fail, you want our country to fail. You espouse to love this country, yet you want its leader to fail?? How do you even reconcile those conflicting notions?

As much as I did not like Bush and his policies, I never wanted him to outright fail because, like I said, if our president fails, our country fails, and for all the problems that we as a nation have, I want us to succeed.

While there are things that President Obama has done that I do not agree with, I have great respect for him because he is not someone who is afraid of change. Too many "leaders" are afraid of change and we have to change in order to remain viable. I look at running a country to be much like running a business, if you keep doing things the same old way, other companies, or countries, who embrace change, will take the lead. In the past, the US has always been in the lead, now we are faltering. Is Obama the leader we need to regain that lead? Only time will tell, but I, personally, am willing to give him a chance rather than jump on the propaganda train.
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post #17 of 70
5/19/10 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I am damn sick and tired of his and his supporters WHINING about what he inherited! What makes him any different than any new President or company CEO? They ALL inherit stuff from their predecessors - some good, some not so good. I don't recall Bush or Bush 1 or Clinton or Reagan complaining about what they INHERITED from the prior administration. It's high time Obama grow up and grow a set and take some responsibility for his OWN actions and failures.
Come on Dusty's Mom, tell us how you REALLY feel.
Yes, Barack is a whiner, no one can deny that. Good grief, he whines about Sean Hannity, he whines about Rush, he whines about Fox News, he whines and whines and whines.

But I expected no less, I KNEW he would be juse like he is, he is a rookie at this, he hasn't a clue how to act Presidential. Goodness, he got lost in the White House the first night.

My hugest problem with him aside from his policies is being such a flipping Apologist, I really detest that.
The first year all he did is travel the world and apologize for the United States. NOBODY has to apologize for the United States, IMO.

He lied during the campaign, through his teeth over and over but I knew he was lying and am surprised other people didn't, especially Independents.
People actually thought he would lead from the center, , give me a break, he is the most far left politician to ever sit in that chair. He makes JFK look like a right wing extremist.

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Originally Posted by white cat lover View Post
Doesn't matter who is President, people will hate him.
I don't hate him and never will.

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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Perhaps not, but I also don't think they were so vehemently put down and criticized so early in their terms either.
No other president in recent memory has lied so much to get elected and then totally turn their back on everything they said, no other president has quadrupled the debt in his first year, spending more thant EVERY PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM COMBINED, in HIS FIRST YEAR.
And in this horrible economy to boot.

Not Barack or his party has learned one iota from California and Greece, not one thing. Barack will spend this country into bankruptcy.

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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
Because they didn't deserve it so early in their terms! Obama has earned all the criticism he has received, and then some!!!

Just one example - Neither he nor apparently any of the losers he appointed to his cabinet and their underlings can be bothered to take 10 minutes to read the AZ immigration law before they jump to numerous conclusions about how it opens up racial profiling, when it actually does the opposite! And it mirrors the federal law, you know, the one that he refuses to enforce??!! But then the moron also ventured an "OPINION" on the Professor Gates fiasco, when once again he prefaced his opinion with "I don't know what happened, but.........."

He deserves every bit of criticism he receives, and I dearly wish we could have a do over of the 2008 election. But I guess we'll just have to wait until 2012 when I'm sure he will be sent packing!
He and his cronies are a national embarrassment IMO.
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post #18 of 70
5/20/10 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by Keycube View Post
A quote lobbed by someone on the board:



Which is just an example of the type of outburst I'm adressing below...

I'm sure someone must have posted this fact somewhere already, but doesn't the fact that Obama inherited a country in more disarray - on so many levels - than any U.S. President in recent memory, mean anything to anyone? Might he be the "worst, most destructive president in recent history"? Sure. But typically, a reconstructive process is never pretty; it's because the status quo has failed, and that which is familiar may need to go by the wayside. And that breeds insecurity and paranoia.

But couldn't we perhaps wait for an end-result to appear before lobbing such egregious statements? I honestly can't believe some of you people; you basically applaud the fact that so many problems have been ignored, yet when someone finally takes initiative to combat a problem, everyone's so perturbed that the problem isn't rectified immediately, or according to their superior master plan.

Do you honestly feel better that you feel that you've "got one over" on Obama and his corrupt socialist henchmen when, in your eyes, he's failed once again? Is that what makes you a true American? Distancing yourself from policy that isn't instantly gratifying?

Oh, but...but...Bush sure took a lot of heat, didn't he! Partisanship, they cried! Well, not really. After his speech immediately following 9-11, it seemed most every American was behind him 100%. He unified a country. I loved the guy. It was only after his first term, when it was obvious his ahem, "good intentions" overseas had unraveled, that many - as well as much of the media - started taking him to task.

Call me naive; but I'm still of the belief that when the President succeeds, we all succeed. Is that really true? Not necessarily; it's virtually impossible to appease every demographic with umbrella policy, but you need to believe that it's true. Otherwise, there's not much sense in participating in the process anymore, is there.

But then again, I could be wrong. IMHO, and all that.
Ah well, you tried! You had to know that this thread would devolve into the same old arguments.
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post #19 of 70
5/20/10 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by blueyedgirl5946 View Post
What Mr. Obama inherited was the greatest most generous self-sacrificing nation that has ever existed in the entire history of mankind. He sure as heck didn't help to build it, and all he has done so far is to do every thing possible to tear it down and tear it apart.

You seem to forget that Democrats controlled Congress after the 2006 elections and were going to "drain the swamp" as Ms. Pelosi said. Instead they flooded the swamp with the shenanigans of Jack Murtha and Charlie Rangel and a whole host of others. Oh, and it was going to be not only the most ethical Congress but the most transparent in history. Your near-sightedness makes me laugh, but I have to laugh to keep from crying about citizens who are so ignorant and still drinking the koolade.

The Democrats including lord Barack did everything possible to secure defeat in Iraq, and yet when Mr. Bush stayed the course and proved the surge was working along come Barry and Biden and claim credit for it. It's his war now and it's about to blow up in his face just like the rest of his Cabinets inability to address the truth about radical muslim extremists.

Captitalism and free markets built this nation by allowing people to succeed on their hopes, dreams, initiatives, and work ethic. Now Mr. Obama intends to take the best economic engine in the world and turn it into a socialist dictatorship. We aren't going down that easy nor are we going quietly in the night, count on it.
I'm not sure about the most self-sacrificing nation there is. We aren't doing without for the greater good of the nation. We are doing it because we borrowed too much. "The latest statistics from the Federal Reserve indicate that the total amount of consumer debt outstanding remained fairly steady in 2009. In case you're wondering the total amount of consumer debt in the United States stands at nearly $2.5 trillion dollars - and based on the latest Census statistics, that works out to be nearly $8,100 in debt for every man, woman and child that lives here in the US."

Except for those involved with the military, there is no sacrifice for the wars of Irag and Afghanistan. The majority of the people in this country wouldn't know that we're in these wars unless they hear it in the news. And there are many who believe that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place and wouldn't have needed a surge. Also, while you may pick on Obama for tactics, the one thing he hasn't done is cut back the funds for these wars which is a large part of the budget deficit that many are upset about. The department of defense accounts for 18% of our spending.

Unfettered capitalism has allowed BP to be excused from the regulations and see what it has done to the gulf. Unfettered capitalism allowed loans to be made to people who didn't have the knowledge and education to understand them. Unfettered capitalism allowed derivatives to be packaged and sold without disclosure to the buyer which spread our toxicity to the rest of the world.

There is a resiliency to the citizens of this country. But the loudest voices want us to be isolated and everyone for himself. We are not going to succeed unless we prepare ourselves for a global economy and are ready to engage in that economy.
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post #20 of 70
5/20/10 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Come on Dusty's Mom, tell us how you REALLY feel.
Yes, Barack is a whiner, no one can deny that. Good grief, he whines about Sean Hannity, he whines about Rush, he whines about Fox News, he whines and whines and whines.

But I expected no less, I KNEW he would be juse like he is, he is a rookie at this, he hasn't a clue how to act Presidential. Goodness, he got lost in the White House the first night.

My hugest problem with him aside from his policies is being such a flipping Apologist, I really detest that.
The first year all he did is travel the world and apologize for the United States. NOBODY has to apologize for the United States, IMO.

He lied during the campaign, through his teeth over and over but I knew he was lying and am surprised other people didn't, especially Independents.
People actually thought he would lead from the center, , give me a break, he is the most far left politician to ever sit in that chair. He makes JFK look like a right wing extremist.

I don't hate him and never will.

No other president in recent memory has lied so much to get elected and then totally turn their back on everything they said, no other president has quadrupled the debt in his first year, spending more thant EVERY PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM COMBINED, in HIS FIRST YEAR.
And in this horrible economy to boot.

Not Barack or his party has learned one iota from California and Greece, not one thing. Barack will spend this country into bankruptcy.

He and his cronies are a national embarrassment IMO.
I agree with you 99%. The only part I disagree with is the part about hating him. I didn't start out hating him, but I'm sorry to admit that describes my feelings about him now, and it gets worse with each passing day. I'm starting to envy the Parliamentary form of government. We are stuck with this idiot until Jan. 20, 2013 at the earliest.
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post #21 of 70
5/20/10 at 8:41am
I did want to make a comment that is back on the subject of the original post.

It seems that our discourse over the last 20 years has become one of absolutes. He is the worst, best, etc. The problem with this is that we rarely discuss the policy. What is good about the policy and what is bad. Instead it is all good or all bad based on who supports it. When we leave this part of the discourse behind, we are unable to compromise. We also don't allow that there are many, many views involved in this country. And that many of those views are conflicting. The health care debate showed that - a majority want coverage for everyone, but a majority don't want to pay for it. We want companies to be free to do what they want, but blame the government when these companies are negligent.

It seems that we can't get out the quagmire because when the opponents say "he is the worst president", they defend it by saying that their favorite was sullied by his opposition. Instead of rising above this childish tactic and turning the discussion to policy, they feel justified to obfuscate the debate worse with those arguments instead. We are run by emotions triggered by words that have no meaning any more, socialist and fascism (used by both sides). Instead of trying to find a solution that could help most, we end up with a mess that helps very few.

Jon Stewart had a really good satire on the abuse of the term the "American People". If you listen to the use of this term, you would find that the American people are schizophrenic. Not everyone believes that government is the answer and not everyone believes that society should be every man for himself. And many times that belief resides in the same person.
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post #22 of 70
5/20/10 at 9:34am
What an excellent post, Jana. Thank you.
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post #23 of 70
5/20/10 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
I did want to make a comment that is back on the subject of the original post.

It seems that our discourse over the last 20 years has become one of absolutes. He is the worst, best, etc. The problem with this is that we rarely discuss the policy. What is good about the policy and what is bad. Instead it is all good or all bad based on who supports it. When we leave this part of the discourse behind, we are unable to compromise. We also don't allow that there are many, many views involved in this country. And that many of those views are conflicting. The health care debate showed that - a majority want coverage for everyone, but a majority don't want to pay for it. We want companies to be free to do what they want, but blame the government when these companies are negligent.

It seems that we can't get out the quagmire because when the opponents say "he is the worst president", they defend it by saying that their favorite was sullied by his opposition. Instead of rising above this childish tactic and turning the discussion to policy, they feel justified to obfuscate the debate worse with those arguments instead. We are run by emotions triggered by words that have no meaning any more, socialist and fascism (used by both sides). Instead of trying to find a solution that could help most, we end up with a mess that helps very few.

Jon Stewart had a really good satire on the abuse of the term the "American People". If you listen to the use of this term, you would find that the American people are schizophrenic. Not everyone believes that government is the answer and not everyone believes that society should be every man for himself. And many times that belief resides in the same person.
I agree with you, and especially where I bolded your text. The interesting thing is that I have backed up my beliefs with facts about HOW he is a failure, and WHY I didn't vote for him. When I have asked the opposition why they like him and what has he done for our country, I have never received a convincing or concrete answer. It leads me to believe that the majority of his supporters really have no idea of the issues, and voted for him just because of the historical significance of electing the first black President, with no concern about his past record of voting "present" when a State senator, and not authoring any legislation when a US senator, and his affiliations with Wright, Rezko, Ayers and Flager, and his total lack of experience as a leader (which shows every time he opens his mouth), and his appointment of tax cheats to his cabinet, and his hollow rings of "diversity" on the Supreme Court where no Asian has ever served or been nominated, and his school czar appointment of a sympathizer of the right of an adult male to have an inappropriate sexual relationship with a male minor.

Hey, I'm just getting started. I could go on and on. But the point is when his followers are asked why they voted for him or why they like him, it always begins and ends with he is the first black President yadda yadda. That only confirms for me that his own defenders are more race aware, and thereby more racially prejudiced than those of us who opposed him, not because of his race, but because of his record, his affiliations and his policies.
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post #24 of 70
5/20/10 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by clixpix View Post
Ah well, you tried! You had to know that this thread would devolve into the same old arguments.
Yup, from the same people too.
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post #25 of 70
5/20/10 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
Yup, from the same people too.
Well, if you are talking about me, at least I back up my arguments with facts and reasons. Can't usually say that about the "other side."
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post #26 of 70
5/21/10 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I agree with you, and especially where I bolded your text. The interesting thing is that I have backed up my beliefs with facts about HOW he is a failure, and WHY I didn't vote for him. When I have asked the opposition why they like him and what has he done for our country, I have never received a convincing or concrete answer. It leads me to believe that the majority of his supporters really have no idea of the issues, and voted for him just because of the historical significance of electing the first black President, with no concern about his past record of voting "present" when a State senator, and not authoring any legislation when a US senator, and his affiliations with Wright, Rezko, Ayers and Flager, and his total lack of experience as a leader (which shows every time he opens his mouth), and his appointment of tax cheats to his cabinet, and his hollow rings of "diversity" on the Supreme Court where no Asian has ever served or been nominated, and his school czar appointment of a sympathizer of the right of an adult male to have an inappropriate sexual relationship with a male minor.

Hey, I'm just getting started. I could go on and on. But the point is when his followers are asked why they voted for him or why they like him, it always begins and ends with he is the first black President yadda yadda. That only confirms for me that his own defenders are more race aware, and thereby more racially prejudiced than those of us who opposed him, not because of his race, but because of his record, his affiliations and his policies.
Wow, you mean nobody took your bait and seriously tried to answer your question just so you can give them your laundry list of why you "hate" him? Really? I find that incredibly hard to believe. Maybe if you stopped referring to those who support him as the "opposition", quite calling them "followers", and stop assuming that they are not as well-versed on the issues as you, and don't presume to make assumptions about why they voted for him, well, you might get better responses. Why would anyone try to engage you in that discussion with you? I wouldn't.
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post #27 of 70
5/21/10 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
Well, if you are talking about me, at least I back up my arguments with facts and reasons. Can't usually say that about the "other side."
You are on the list.
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Hey, I'm just getting started. I could go on and on. But the point is when his followers are asked why they voted for him or why they like him, it always begins and ends with he is the first black President yadda yadda.
That is certianly not a fact. His race has nothing whatsoever as to why I voted for him.

Oh yeah, and calling us his followers sounds derogatory. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way though.
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post #28 of 70
5/21/10 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
You are on the list.

That is certianly not a fact. His race has nothing whatsoever as to why I voted for him.

Oh yeah, and calling us his followers sounds derogatory. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way though.
So enlighten me. Simple question. So why did you vote for him? Could it be that he was going to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or maybe it was about closing Gitmo within 16 months of his inauguration? Or perhaps it was his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class? Why do you think that so many that voted for him are now disappointed in him and feel they were duped by promises not kept? If those are the reasons he got your vote, how's that working for ya?

I don't know what it is, but most of us who didn't vote for him can give specific reasons why. And every time I've asked why his supporters voted for him, I get nothing substantial and primarily superficial like his looks, his youth, his energy, his race, but not a SINGLE substantial reason based on policy!

And in my case it was a vote against Obama because I wasn't that enamored with McCain. In retrospect I really wish Hillary had won!

Semantics! Followers?, supporters?, Don't know, you choose. Derogatory is not something I had in mind. Are you feeling a little defensive? I only want to learn, and I'm not getting much enlightenment from the Obama supporters.
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post #29 of 70
5/21/10 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
So enlighten me. Simple question. So why did you vote for him? Could it be that he was going to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or maybe it was about closing Gitmo within 16 months of his inauguration? Or perhaps it was his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class? Why do you think that so many that voted for him are now disappointed in him and feel they were duped by promises not kept? If those are the reasons he got your vote, how's that working for ya?
Thanks for proving my point!
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post #30 of 70
5/21/10 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by clixpix View Post
Thanks for proving my point!
Backatcha! Can't come up with a single reason, huh? Certainly proves my point!!!
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