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post #31 of 42
5/25/10 at 2:04pm
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I don't see anti-semitism from centuries ago as having any basis for anti-semitism now. We all have to take responsibility for our own sins, can't blame others for them.
Responsibility is one thing, establishing a chain of events is another. Values, including crappy ones, get passed down through generations, and being raised on dumbassery greatly increases the chances of engaging in dumbassery as an adult. That doesn't make it right but we can still look at how it happened.
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post #32 of 42
5/25/10 at 3:58pm
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Responsibility is one thing, establishing a chain of events is another. Values, including crappy ones, get passed down through generations, and being raised on dumbassery greatly increases the chances of engaging in dumbassery as an adult. That doesn't make it right but we can still look at how it happened.
I don't agree and I think that is a cop out and just another way for people to blame others for their own stupidity.

Fifty years ago the majority of people were VERY ANTI-Integration and very MUCH AGAINST the Civil Rights Movement. Those people, the vast majority of them have seen the how wrong their bigotry was. And that was only fifty years ago.

Martin Luther was half a millenium ago. It is ridiculous to me to blame him for Anti-Semitism.
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post #33 of 42
5/25/10 at 4:09pm
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I don't agree and I think that is a cop out and just another way for people to blame others for their own stupidity.

Fifty years ago the majority of people were VERY ANTI-Integration and very MUCH AGAINST the Civil Rights Movement. Those people, the vast majority of them have seen the how wrong their bigotry was. And that was only fifty years ago.

Martin Luther was half a millenium ago. It is ridiculous to me to blame him for Anti-Semitism.
Oh good, I'm so glad we finally got that out of the way. This would mean that the supposed "events", much, much farther into the past of 2000-4000 years ago have absolutely no bearing on the world today, right?
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post #34 of 42
5/25/10 at 6:01pm
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Oh good, I'm so glad we finally got that out of the way. This would mean that the supposed "events", much, much farther into the past of 2000-4000 years ago have absolutely no bearing on the world today, right?
Boy, oh boy, you are really cruising for a bruising today!

All bets are off when it comes to the Son of God, you know that Skippy.
He transcends space and time.
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post #35 of 42
5/25/10 at 6:41pm
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Boy, oh boy, you are really cruising for a bruising today!

All bets are off when it comes to the Son of God, you know that Skippy.
He transcends space and time.
I woke up like this, and it won't go away.
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post #36 of 42
5/26/10 at 5:39am
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It never ceases to amaze me that when it is liberals preaching hate and violence at a rally it is simply "people exercising their first amendment rights" but when it is the Tea Party having rally's that actually ARE peaceful and do NOT advocate violence, people feel the "The Tea Party doesn't NEED to be infiltrated by anyone except maybe the FBI."
The FBI's job is to track hate groups...and Mark Williams, a Tea Party leader, seems more than willing to put the movement's hatred on public display. His views, though a bit more extreme, appear to be right in line with Rand Paul, whom they were instrumental in getting elected.

After all, hate isn't an action, it's an attitude...and he is simmering with attitude. That's the kind of stuff the FBI should notice.
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post #37 of 42
5/26/10 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
The FBI's job is to track hate groups...and Mark Williams, a Tea Party leader, seems more than willing to put the movement's hatred on public display. His views, though a bit more extreme, appear to be right in line with Rand Paul, whom they were instrumental in getting elected.

After all, hate isn't an action, it's an attitude...and he is simmering with attitude. That's the kind of stuff the FBI should notice.
Is Mark Williams the guy that got kicked out of a Tea Party Rally for a racist sign? I'm not sure who he is, I'll go check him out.
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post #38 of 42
5/26/10 at 8:40am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-b..._b_563133.html

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Tea Party Hates Tea Party Express Leader

Mark Williams has a problem.

Williams is chairman of Tea Party Express, a leading organization in the Tea Party movement. The Express is operated by Our Country Deserves Better PAC, which is run out of the offices of Russo Marsh & Rogers, a Republican-affiliated strategy firm. Sal Russo, OCBD's chief strategist, has been a Republican strategist since Ronald Reagan's 1966 gubernatorial campaign. Even though other Tea Party groups consider the Express an Astroturf organzation, implying that it has corporate backers and lacks grass-roots support, it has organized three successful cross-country bus tours to oppose the policies of the Obama administration.

These tours garnered heavy media attention from Fox News and, eventually, CNN, and its most recent tour featured two appearances by Sarah Palin, one of which was dubbed the Conservative Woodstock. Sounds good. So what's the problem?

The problem, according to the rest of the Tea Party movement, is Mark Williams.

Williams has referred to President Obama as a Nazi, a half-white racist, a half-black racist and an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare fraud. In turn, much of the Tea Party movement has referred to Williams as a racist, a bigot, amoral, lacking any semblance of a conscience, deceitful, selfish, conniving, the Michael Steele of the Tea Party and, perhaps worst of all, a liberal.

Williams hasn't done much to help his image. Far from it. In May of 1997, he told an Idaho newspaper that his job in talk radio was "to make people listen so the ad people can charge advertisers a lot of money so I won't have to kill my own food or lift anything heavy."
More at link.

This dude has got to go.
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post #39 of 42
5/26/10 at 8:51am
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-b..._b_563133.html



More at link.

This dude has got to go.
If the Tea Party actually disagreed with him, you'd think he'd already be gone. Yet, there he is, still speaking for them, and still hating.

The rest of that article is quite telling as well. His choice of words to "describe" his opponents are words I'd expect from a Grand Dragon, not a "fed up citizen" as they like to refer to themselves.

It makes me suspect that they knew exactly what they were getting with Rand Paul, and like his ideas; they just didn't expect him to be a moron and tell the entire world about it.
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post #40 of 42
5/26/10 at 5:44pm
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If the Tea Party actually disagreed with him, you'd think he'd already be gone. Yet, there he is, still speaking for them, and still hating.

The rest of that article is quite telling as well. His choice of words to "describe" his opponents are words I'd expect from a Grand Dragon, not a "fed up citizen" as they like to refer to themselves.

It makes me suspect that they knew exactly what they were getting with Rand Paul, and like his ideas; they just didn't expect him to be a moron and tell the entire world about it.
If that ends up being true, the Tea Party will go down in flames REAL fast. As far as I'm concerned that moron Rand Paul has already shot himself in the foot and just gave the election to whoever is running on the Democratic ticket.

I don't think the Tea Party is an organization per se that CAN kick out anyone. We have this dude in Nevada that is running on the so-called "Tea Party" ticket for governor or senator or something and he is total nimrod. The Tea Party people are having a freaking fit about it but there is nothing they can do. If someone wants to run for office on a third party I guess that is their perogative, I know that is different than this guy.

I am going to ask a few people, about this dude Williams, I know on another forum that are very involved with the Tea Party and see what they have to say about this bigot. I would have done it today but I had to go to court to pay the second speeding ticket of my life today. 3-1/2 hours waiting to pay my fine. Fun Times!
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post #41 of 42
5/26/10 at 6:54pm
I so sorry about the ticket

The Tea Party is finding out one of the sad truths of politics. If they have an organization, and don't have a designated spokes person, then someone is going to speak on their behalf, and they may not like the message.
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post #42 of 42
5/26/10 at 7:23pm
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I so sorry about the ticket

The Tea Party is finding out one of the sad truths of politics. If they have an organization, and don't have a designated spokes person, then someone is going to speak on their behalf, and they may not like the message.
Thanks. I'm just happy that monkey is off my back.

That is so true.
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