Putting not one, but two, mosques at Ground Zero

I don't think "America" is behind it.
One mosque is part of a planned community center by the Cordoba Project - it is mentioned in this thread http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...=216095&page=8
starting at about post #90.
The other seems to be an effort on the part of an existing mosque that was nearby anyway.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/17...r-ground-zero/

The overall intentions might be innocent, but I do agree to the extent that the timing is at least tactless.

No - but not only that fact, but the one is planning on opening on 9/11/11 - the 10 yr anniversary of the Twin Towers collapse.

I hope I'm wrong, but I have a VERY bad feeling at what will happen if this is true! I'm not about to say more because I pray I'm wrong!

So, the innocent Muslim American victims of 9-11, and the innocent Muslim victims from many of the 80+ other countries who lost citizens in those buildings that day, and all their families, deserve absolutely no rememberance simply due to the fact they were Muslims?

Or a Baptist Church near a Military Cemetery? Or a Catholic Church near a playground?

"Tactless" is awfully harsh IMO. I quoted 2dogmom also...this isn't some effort to give a big ol' finger to the victims of 9/11 or America. It will be two blocks away from ground zero. How big of a "no mosque/muslim" zone would you suggest around ground zero?

That Masjid Mosque was at or near that location since 1970 - long BEFORE the WTC even existed.

And many reports on the other "mosque" conveniently leave out the fact that the 13 story buiding will contain a gym, a theater, meeting places etc. In fact it is supposed to be a community center which contains a mosque, it's NOT a "13-story mosque."

What a shame that people cannot seem to differentiate between extremists who claim to be acting in the name of Islam and the vast majority of Muslims who are decent peaceful people. Theses same people have no problem ignoring the horrors perpetrated by Christians and their churches though.

one of my best friends is muslim and he wouldnt dream of doing what the extremists did, he doesnt agree with how they carry out their religion

I dont think it should matter whats built on or around the area, but tbh there will always be someone complains even if its something as simple as a house being built a tad to close theres no pleasing everyone

Thank you. I couldn't have said it better.

How could you possibly know that?

FTR, I may even have agreed with you BUT for the fact that they will break ground for this Mosque that is being built 2 BLOCKS from Ground Zero on
SEPTEMBER 11, 2011. Just happens to be the tenth anniversay of 9-11

I not only think it is tactless, I am afraid that, to the Muslim Extremists this will be the second Mecca.

When? During the Crusades?

Please ask your friend if he thinks it is a tad bit tacky to break ground on 9-11.

To the typical US Muslim living in NYC, seeking to honor the memories of their fellow citizens of the world that were lost that day, it's the perfect date to break ground. Numerous other ceremonies of remembrance take place on that date, so it only seems fitting.

Keep it up buddy, just keep it up.

Jus' doing it cuz' I loves ya

If you'd like a more recent example maybe the holocaust will do?

And guess who brought the Nazi's down? Want a little hint? It begins with a "C". If it weren't for Christians like my father I would be speaking German and saying "Hiel Hitler."

What a ridiculous example.

I never realized Adolph Hitler and his Third Reich were practicing Christians, killing and burning Jews in the name of Christ.

You just lost your reputation on this forum now kid.

Actually, that's one of those weird parts of history that will probably be debated forever. Hitler's early years were reared as a Catholic, but IMO, no one can say with any authority what he actually was once he was released from prison, other than a simmering madman. And Goebbels was something of a mystic.

But, the two of them were able to convince an entire nation of Christians to follow them, and to do their dirty work without question. Many of them even did that dirty work with a very enthusiastic zeal.

You know what's a tad funny. Some of the very things that got Hitler elected was his promises of economic improvement, employment, and using home guard troops to secure the borders and get rid of those darned foreigners.

Hmm.

You know the fella who translated the bible into German? He did not have a high opinion of Jews. Take a look at what a very prominent German Christian had to say about Jews well before Hitler was bron.
http://www.humanitas-international.o...uther-jews.htm

And thank you for proving my point there are good Christians and bad Christians, maybe there are also good Muslims and bad Muslims?

Yes, I am aware that Martin Luther was very anti-semitic.
Thank you for the very recent example of anti-semitism. I could give you dozens that are like two months old, just look at the pictures of that left wing anti-war rally in L.A. on March 20, 2010 that I posted pictures of.

No "maybe" about it, there are millions of good Muslim, one of my all-time favorite people is Muslim and is a role model for his faith. The "Greatest Boxer of All Times".

Pictures taken from a left-wing rally are one thing - these are people exercising their first amendment rights. The fact that an overwhelmingly Christian nation chose to attempt to wipe out any of their own citizens who were Jewish is I think not in the same category. A little tidbit for you in case you weren't aware of this - Germany levies a "church tax" on its citizens. None of this passing the plate stuff to get the money in, your church tax is withheld from your pay by your employer and forwarded to the church of your choice. And this is the same country that was the first to lob bombs on innocent civilians. Not a good example of a country based on Christian values I would say.

Anyway, people of all faiths lost their lives in the WTC and prior to 9/11 many Muslims who work in the financial district were able to pray according to the requirements of their religion in a nearby mosque. I don't see why these people - who didn't do anything bad to anyone - should have to suffer because of the actions of extremists.

It never ceases to amaze me that when it is liberals preaching hate and violence at a rally it is simply "people exercising their first amendment rights" but when it is the Tea Party having rally's that actually ARE peaceful and do NOT advocate violence, people feel the "The Tea Party doesn't NEED to be infiltrated by anyone except maybe the FBI."

Wait a moment please.

You were equating hateful signs carried by left wing nutsos to the atrocities carried out in Germany by Christians during the holocaust. I was pointing out that I feel there is a big difference between preaching hate and killing millions of people because of their religion. The first amendment does after all protect hate speech (on both sides).

And I stand by my comment that the FBI should infiltrate the TP. I also am bewildered as to how anyone could find this insulting. I think our government should as a matter of routine keep an eye on any political movement, left OR right.

While there are ordinary citizens who are expressing their disgruntlement with our government by attending TP rallies (as well they should), there are also those who stand to make a profit from it by selling books (not gonna name any names here) and riling people up to get them really agitated. We have a LOT of people in our country who have a few screws loose. I think many of them will be drawn to the TP because it isn't the same old same old. The gun folks are acting so terribly defensive these days, as if Obama wants to curtail the right to bear arms. This has been GREAT for some of our local industry here in NH, as the gun nuts have been buying ammo and guns like they're going out of style, so segments of our economy are actually doing great. You put these two together and it would not surprise me one bit if the nutsos decided that they are right at home in the Tea Party because they don't feel represented by either of the big two.

I was equating the anti-semitism of Martin Luther and the anti-semitism, "kill the Jews" signs at the left wing rally in LA on March 20.

So, "hate speech is protected" ( ala - left wing "Kill the Jews" signs) but the Tea Party who hasn't done one thing wrong and who is NOT advocating any kind of violence should be "infiltrated by the FBI", I got it now.

So, I take it the selling of books you mention, pertains to Barack's, "Dreams of my Father" and "The Audacity of Hope" and "riling people up to get them really agaitated" pertains to Barack telling his suporters to go "argue with your neighbors, get in their face". Yes, maybe that should be investigated.

And the last sentence of your post is nothing but your opinion. Sorry but because some person has a feeling that something may happen somewhere, sometime just isn't real plausible.

I see the hate promulgated by Martin Luther as having formed a strong basis for what happened centuries later. The difference is that in the US we certainly have anti-semitism, but we don't have an attempted extermination of people belonging to the Jewish faith.

And as I said, the FBI is welcome in my book to infiltrate any fringe group and the major political parties too. They wouldn't be doing their job if they weren't. After all, didn't they have to get involved in 1972 to investigate the Republicans?

As far as selling books goes, I was refering to the esteemed personalities on FOX network, chief among them being Glenn ("I Could Give A Flying **** About The Political Process") Beck. Limbaugh and O-Reilly are also milking the FOX gravy train for all it's worth but Beck IMO takes the cake.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/04...-beck-inc.html

Of course the last sentence of my post about having a feeling something my happen is "nothing" but my opinion. Isn't most of what we post here in IMO opinion? I do recall someone else posting in this very thread about having a "VERY bad feeling" about what might happen at the opening ceremony of one of the mosques. Doesn't it just stink when there is turnabout and fair play?

I think you may want to go back and reread my post. Maybe you can quote it.

FTR, I am a Lutheran, have been all my life. I have belonged to more than one Lutheran church and have NEVER experienced anti-semitism in the Lutheran Church.
I don't see anti-semitism from centuries ago as having any basis for anti-semitism now. We all have to take responsibility for our own sins, can't blame others for them.