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post #1 of 94
5/17/10 at 10:10am
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...owing-boycott/

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[San Diego Faces Own Medicine as Arizona Residents Cancel Travel Following Boycott of State

Arizona tourists are biting back against San Diego for its city council's decision to boycott the Grand Canyon State over its immigration law signed by Gov. Jan Brewer last month.

Would-be tourists have notified the San Diego Convention and Visitors Bureau and some hotels that they are canceling their scheduled travel to the coastal vacation destination, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.

According to the newspaper, the convention bureau has received about 25-30 emails from Arizona residents, with some saying they are canceling their reservations and taking their money elsewhere.

That has tourism officials urging Arizonans to consider the resolutions as merely symbolic and local politics at work.

"We're in a very tough environment already because of everything else going on, and we don't need another negative impact to our industry," ConVis President Joe Terzi told the Union-Tribune. "This affects all the hardworking men and women who count on tourism for their livelihoods, so we’re saying, don't do something that hurts their livelihoods."
Oh, but it is fine and dandy when California does its' best to hurt Arizona's tourism industry, but, golly gee, it's not fair for Arizona to do the same to California.
Bunch of whiney babies. Maybe Mr. Terzi should go talk to the people in San Diego that started this boycott, ya think?
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post #2 of 94
5/17/10 at 10:17am
I don't think it's right for states to have little trade wars with each other - we're all one country for crying out loud. Then again AZ and CA have had problems with each other for years over water rights. AZ could just cut them off.
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post #3 of 94
5/17/10 at 10:31am
So, 25 - 30 residents, as in, individuals, perhaps their families, are canceling their trips to San Diego?

Gee, that's really gonna hurt.

San Diego doesn't have to worry. Attendance at Comic Con this year is estimated to be nearly 200,000. And they can lose a few thousand, there are plenty that missed out on tickets ready to take their place.

Seeing as the Center only has a capacity of 125,000, they're going to have to seriously shuffle the one's they did let in.
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post #4 of 94
5/17/10 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
So, 25 - 30 residents, as in, individuals, perhaps their families, are canceling their trips to San Diego?

Gee, that's really gonna hurt.

San Diego doesn't have to worry. Attendance at Comic Con this year is estimated to be nearly 200,000. And they can lose a few thousand, there are plenty that missed out on tickets ready to take their place.

Seeing as the Center only has a capacity of 125,000, they're going to have to seriously shuffle the one's they did let in.
Are you serious? They are broke, haven't you heard?
And if it is no biggie, why the whining? Good grief, at this point in time, ten dollars could be enough to push California off the precipice.

I agree with 2dogmom,, while California is, seemingly, so outraged at Arizona's new law it passed, because the Federal
Government has failed them, I don't see the bankrupt state of California telling Arizona to KEEP their Colorado River water.
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post #5 of 94
5/17/10 at 11:24am
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Many people in my State now want a law like Arizona's.
There is overwhelming support for Arizona's new law here in Nevada.
Lots of Nevada folks are going to Arizona instead of California.
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post #6 of 94
5/17/10 at 11:56am
Yeah, go away! (just kidding, really )
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post #7 of 94
5/17/10 at 12:20pm
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...owing-boycott/



Oh, but it is fine and dandy when California does its' best to hurt Arizona's tourism industry, but, golly gee, it's not fair for Arizona to do the same to California.
Bunch of whiney babies. Maybe Mr. Terzi should go talk to the people in San Diego that started this boycott, ya think?
Let's not paint all of California with the same brush. Here in Central CA we are pretty conservative! I think AZ should put all of its unwanted illegals on a bus with a one way ticket to either San Francisco or San Diego, or any other city that identifies itself as a "sanctuary" city. Let those do-gooders take care of the illegals! Maybe they will invite them to live rent-free in a spare bedroom!
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post #8 of 94
5/17/10 at 12:47pm
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Let's not paint all of California with the same brush. Here in Central CA we are pretty conservative! I think AZ should put all of its unwanted illegals on a bus with a one way ticket to either San Francisco or San Diego, or any other city that identifies itself as a "sanctuary" city. Let those do-gooders take care of the illegals! Maybe they will invite them to live rent-free in a spare bedroom!
You better get out while you can Dusty's Mom, besides Arizona is a way better State than California.
I meant you no offense kiddo.
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post #9 of 94
5/17/10 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Many people in my State now want a law like Arizona's.
There is overwhelming support for Arizona's new law here in Nevada.
Lots of Nevada folks are going to Arizona instead of California.
Talk about losing our rights and freedoms. But its okay when its done by the far right, I guess. I wish all the states would boycott Arizona.
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post #10 of 94
5/17/10 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post

I agree with 2dogmom,, while California is, seemingly, so outraged at Arizona's new law it passed, because the Federal
Government has failed them, I don't see the bankrupt state of California telling Arizona to KEEP their Colorado River water.
Are you suggesting that we should grow the Federal Government to save them? Wow!!

Perhaps Colorado should just keep the water from the Colorado River, and then Arizona and California wouldn't need to fight each other for it.
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post #11 of 94
5/17/10 at 1:15pm
If I had the power, I would hold a telethon for Arizona tourism.
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post #12 of 94
5/17/10 at 1:17pm
Maybe California will break off and float away...wooohooo LOL
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post #13 of 94
5/17/10 at 1:19pm
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Talk about losing our rights and freedoms. But its okay when its done by the far right, I guess. I wish all the states would boycott Arizona.
That's a pretty narrow-minded opinion! Who do you think AZ is? It's not a political body, it is a state made up of hard working people who are experiencing just as much economic hardship as hard working people in every other state. Boycotting a state is boycotting the hard-working people of that state who deserve to earn a living as much as anyone else. Unfortunately, it's because our national government won't do its job and secure the borders that the poor people of AZ are facing an explosion of home invasion robberies, kidnappings, and murder that are unprecedented. Yet you want to punish them further? Why? What harm did they cause you?
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post #14 of 94
5/17/10 at 2:18pm
When you look at the track record, boycotting almost never works. Personally, I'm eager for this new law to get under way, because I can't wait to see how they're going make it work.

My bet is, for the record, Arizona is going to end up broke paying for an overcrowded prison system full of illegal immigrants who don't qualify by Federal law for in-custody deportation that the Feds won't take. I also predict a crushing amount of lawsuits, cops quitting out of pure frustration at being abandoned by both the citizens and the state, Federal investigations of Arizona possibly aiding illegal immigrants in interstate travel (get out of Arizona, we'll drive you) etc. etc.

I also want to know if an illegal immigrant serving his/her time and paying the fine for being an illegal immigrant means they're not illegal any more. If not, then Arizona hasn't disposed of state charges. Unless of course, they treat it as something like trespassing, which isn't enough in most cases for enforced deportation. In that case, ICE gives them a "leave by" date, during which time they can't be arrested again. Arizona can only arrest them if they fail to leave by that date.

Going to be interesting.
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post #15 of 94
5/17/10 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
Talk about losing our rights and freedoms. But its okay when its done by the far right, I guess. I wish all the states would boycott Arizona.
Nice of you to throw all the law abiding Arizonian's, including the 30% of Arizonian's that are Hispanic, under the bus because the Federal Government won't enforce their own laws. I guess Arizona should just suck it up and not complain about the human trafficking and they should be PROUD to be the kidnapping capital of the world. They don't have the right to expect a secure border, the drug cartels are people too.

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Are you suggesting that we should grow the Federal Government to save them? Wow!!

Perhaps Colorado should just keep the water from the Colorado River, and then Arizona and California wouldn't need to fight each other for it.
I expect the Feds to do their job, it is as simple as that. Yeah, I heard about the pathetic High School in Illinois that just dashed the hopes of that girl's basketball team from going to the final's in Phoenix. The girl's have been working for months to get up the money to go. Not to mention the fact that its the first time in 26 years they are in the finals.
But, of course, drag high school students into your (not you) little political baloney.

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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
That's a pretty narrow-minded opinion! Who do you think AZ is? It's not a political body, it is a state made up of hard working people who are experiencing just as much economic hardship as hard working people in every other state. Boycotting a state is boycotting the hard-working people of that state who deserve to earn a living as much as anyone else. Unfortunately, it's because our national government won't do its job and secure the borders that the poor people of AZ are facing an explosion of home invasion robberies, kidnappings, and murder that are unprecedented. Yet you want to punish them further? Why? What harm did they cause you?
Many liberals do not care about American citizens, they just care about the illegal aliens, they just care about the poor drug cartel members, they just care about the poor guys trying to make a buck off human trafficking.
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post #16 of 94
5/18/10 at 8:24am
It's only a matter of time before Arizona deploys AT-AT's to take out San Diego's power generators.
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post #17 of 94
5/18/10 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Many liberals do not care about American citizens, they just care about the illegal aliens, they just care about the poor drug cartel members, they just care about the poor guys trying to make a buck off human trafficking.
Wow...you've really got liberals figured out, haven't you? A bit dramatic, don't you think?
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post #18 of 94
5/19/10 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by clixpix View Post
Wow...you've really got liberals figured out, haven't you? A bit dramatic, don't you think?
Nope. If anything I have understated it.
(Notice I said "many liberals" NOT "all liberals".

The most telling thing for me is the fact that many if not most liberals, think nothing of killing babies right and left, but just DETEST the death penalty for the most disgusting vile criminals. That says it to me.


FTR, I am against abortion and the death penalty.


And yes, I do have a problem with conservatives that are anti-abortion but LOVE the death penalty.
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post #19 of 94
5/19/10 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Nice of you to throw all the law abiding Arizonian's, including the 30% of Arizonian's that are Hispanic, under the bus because the Federal Government won't enforce their own laws. I guess Arizona should just suck it up and not complain about the human trafficking and they should be PROUD to be the kidnapping capital of the world. They don't have the right to expect a secure border, the drug cartels are people too.
Never once did I say that Arizona should "suck it up." If you think I'm some bleeding heart liberal, think again. I have no love for illegals in this country and no thoughts that they should be given any rights or privileges that American citizens are entitled to. And Arizona certainly has a right to try to protect its border, I just don't think this bill is the right way to do it. Tell me, is Arizona doing anything to the employers who hire the illegals? No? You can't stop illegal immigration one person at a time, you have to stop the reason why the illegals are coming here. If employers weren't making it worthwhile, they would stop. And I know this is a radical idea, but you want to stop the drug cartels? Legalize drugs and tax them. If its no longer illegal, there wouldn't be a market for the drug lords.
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post #20 of 94
5/19/10 at 5:11pm
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Never once did I say that Arizona should "suck it up." If you think I'm some bleeding heart liberal, think again. I have no love for illegals in this country and no thoughts that they should be given any rights or privileges that American citizens are entitled to. And Arizona certainly has a right to try to protect its border, I just don't think this bill is the right way to do it. Tell me, is Arizona doing anything to the employers who hire the illegals? No? You can't stop illegal immigration one person at a time, you have to stop the reason why the illegals are coming here. If employers weren't making it worthwhile, they would stop. And I know this is a radical idea, but you want to stop the drug cartels? Legalize drugs and tax them. If its no longer illegal, there wouldn't be a market for the drug lords.
I agree with most of what you are saying, but punishing the employers is not the way either. Often they are shown a counterfeit social security card and other phony documents. Employers are not document specialists and they, BY LAW, must give the applicant the benefit of the doubt and cannot deny employment just because they *THINK* the ss card may be forged!

WE NEED A TAMPER-PROOF NATIONAL ID CARD! And until this happens, there is no way we can hold an employer responsible.

Yes, we have to stop the reason they are coming here. For one thing, we should not give them social services of any kind without proof of citizenship (beyond a phony SS card!). No welfare, no food stamps, no schooling, nothing. If they didn't get all the freebies, they wouldn't come here. And we must revise our laws to prevent anchor babies from becoming citizens.
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post #21 of 94
5/19/10 at 7:08pm
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Never once did I say that Arizona should "suck it up." If you think I'm some bleeding heart liberal, think again. I have no love for illegals in this country and no thoughts that they should be given any rights or privileges that American citizens are entitled to. And Arizona certainly has a right to try to protect its border, I just don't think this bill is the right way to do it. Tell me, is Arizona doing anything to the employers who hire the illegals? No? You can't stop illegal immigration one person at a time, you have to stop the reason why the illegals are coming here. If employers weren't making it worthwhile, they would stop. And I know this is a radical idea, but you want to stop the drug cartels? Legalize drugs and tax them. If its no longer illegal, there wouldn't be a market for the drug lords.
No, you said something worse, IMO. You said you wished "all states would boycott Arizona". Personally I find that a terrible thing to say about fellow Americans.

We have been down this road on this forum regarding the restrictions and limits employers have. Also, if you want to blame employers, then blame the blood sucking Unions and WE the American consumer that doesn't want to pay double for hotel rooms because the maids get union wage, etc etc.

I am no law expert but I thought raiding businessess for illegal aliens was a job reserved for the Feds and states can't do it. But I may be wrong about that.

Bottom line, the Federal Government has failed the State of Arizona for to long and now they are tired of sitting and waiting for help from the Federal Government and will start helping themselves.

FTR, polls show between 60-70% of American's agree with what Arizona is doing, so I guess the ones who don't like it are the ones that will have to suck it up.
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post #22 of 94
5/19/10 at 7:17pm
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FTR, polls show between 60-70% of American's agree with what Arizona is doing, so I guess the ones who don't like it are the ones that will have to suck it up.
Ah, but that's not the way a Constitutional Republic works. 100% can agree, but if they find out later that it violates the constitutional rights of even a few, then the law can be struck down by the courts. No amount of votes can support unconstitutionality.
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post #23 of 94
5/19/10 at 9:48pm
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Ah, but that's not the way a Constitutional Republic works. 100% can agree, but if they find out later that it violates the constitutional rights of even a few, then the law can be struck down by the courts. No amount of votes can support unconstitutionality.
You are right.
I am unsure how it can be unconstitutional though as it mirrors Federal Immigration Law. But, I guess that will be for the Court to decide.

Did you see the video of Arizona Governor Jan Brewer's speech?
Oh my, it warmed the cockles of my heart.
She really said what she thought of Barack's mindless comments about Az's new law. I'll go find it so I can post a linkie.
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post #24 of 94
5/19/10 at 9:56pm
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Oh my, things are heating up in the California vs Arizona
slug fest.
I've been out of the loop today and hadn't heard this one.


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...-94251079.html
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Power Play Over Immigration Law
LA's boycott resolution sparks a threat over power the city receives from Arizona
An Arizona utility commissioner said he's willing to pull the plug on Los Angeles if the city goes through with a boycott of his state.

In a letter to the city of LA, a member of Arizona's power commission said he would ask Arizona utility companies to cut off the power supply to Los Angeles. LA gets about 25 percent of its power from Arizona.

Here's part Arizona Corporation Commission member Gary Pierce's letter to the mayor:


If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.

I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy
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post #25 of 94
5/19/10 at 11:46pm
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Personally I find that a terrible thing to say about fellow Americans.
Yeah, don't you hate it when people say terrible things about fellow Americans?

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Many liberals do not care about American citizens, they just care about the illegal aliens, they just care about the poor drug cartel members, they just care about the poor guys trying to make a buck off human trafficking.
Oh wait...never mind.
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post #26 of 94
5/23/10 at 4:20pm
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Yeah, don't you hate it when people say terrible things about fellow Americans?



Oh wait...never mind.
I'm sorry it's hard for some people to tell the difference between me saying the "many" liberals, "Many liberals do not care about American citizens, they just care about the illegal aliens, they just care about the poor drug cartel members, they just care about the poor guys trying to make a buck off human trafficking." and someone posting that they "wish ALL states would boycott Arizona."

That is wishing for millions of people to lose their jobs, that is wishing for millions of people to lose their homes, that is wishing for millions of people to starve." And all of that because the State of Arizona made a law identical to federal immigration law. I guess the rest of this planet should boycott the entire United States because we have the audacity to have immigration laws.

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post #27 of 94
5/24/10 at 7:33am
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I'm sorry it's hard for some people to tell the difference between me saying the "many" liberals, "Many liberals do not care about American citizens, they just care about the illegal aliens, they just care about the poor drug cartel members, they just care about the poor guys trying to make a buck off human trafficking." and someone posting that they "wish ALL states would boycott Arizona."

That is wishing for millions of people to lose their jobs, that is wishing for millions of people to lose their homes, that is wishing for millions of people to starve." And all of that because the State of Arizona made a law identical to federal immigration law. I guess the rest of this planet should boycott the entire United States because we have the audacity to have immigration laws.

But it's NOT identical to Federal Law. Federal Law specifies very specific penalties, such as fines and deportation, to dispose of cases involving illegal immigration.

Arizona's Law says "We'll turn them over to the Feds".

That isn't how you dispose of state charges.
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post #28 of 94
5/24/10 at 8:00am
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Nope. If anything I have understated it.
(Notice I said "many liberals" NOT "all liberals".

The most telling thing for me is the fact that many if not most liberals, think nothing of killing babies right and left, but just DETEST the death penalty for the most disgusting vile criminals. That says it to me.
Me thinks you read too many conservative blogs. I take offense at all of these statements.

I know MANY liberals and not a single one cares more about illegal aliens and drug lords than they do American citizens.

I don't know a single liberal who likes abortions, and none are callous enough to think NOTHING about killing babies.

Most of my liberal friends support the death penalty under the right circumstances.

It is wrong to generalize your opponents view points when you don't understand what they actually are.
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post #29 of 94
5/24/10 at 12:09pm
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Me thinks you read too many conservative blogs. I take offense at all of these statements.

I know MANY liberals and not a single one cares more about illegal aliens and drug lords than they do American citizens.

I don't know a single liberal who likes abortions, and none are callous enough to think NOTHING about killing babies.

Most of my liberal friends support the death penalty under the right circumstances.

It is wrong to generalize your opponents view points when you don't understand what they actually are.
I second that!
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post #30 of 94
5/24/10 at 12:49pm
Really! That "description" has nothing to do with real liberals, it's a ridiculous caricature created by certain conservative media personalities and bloggers trying hard to create a strawman "enemy."
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