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post #1 of 92
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I just saw an interview with Janet Napolitano. She was asked repeatedly if this was an act of terrorism. She absolutely refused to say the word.

So, I guess it wasn't. Right?
post #2 of 92
Any act like that is terrorism, whether it comes from the typical terrorists or not
post #3 of 92
It's most likely terrorism - however, the question is, domestic or foreign, and whose idea. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions, and, given the circumstances, I wouldn't even be sure the person(s) behind it actually meant anything to happen - unless they're truly a few bricks shy of a load and don't even know what sort of fertilizer to use.

Now, if Napolitano was reacting to questions asking whether it was definitely foreign terrorism, I can see why she's not going for it at this point - I'll bet you a donut it'll be domestic, and wouldn't be surprised if it's right wing reactionary in genesis (and I mean the truly wacko right wing folks, not just normal conservatives).
post #4 of 92
Well Pakisan Taliban is claiming they did it - just saw the mini news. Of course, the US is downplaying that cause they say Pakisan doesn't have any cells or connection in the US............how long before the truth is really told.

US will be seeing more and more hits in major cities and sooner then we think or want to think! Mark my words. Stop putting your heads in the sand!
post #5 of 92
Pakistan Taliban usually surfaces to claim responsbility for quite a few thngs...I'm sort of surprised no one claimed responsibility for the oil mishap (although I bet BP would almost be grateful if a terrorist did!)
post #6 of 92
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

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Officials increasingly see international link in Times Square bomb attempt

By Spencer S. Hsu, Anne E. Kornblut And Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, May 3, 2010; 3:52 PM

The failed car bombing in Times Square increasingly appears to have been coordinated by more than one person in a plot with international links, Obama administration officials said Tuesday.

post #7 of 92
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Originally Posted by darlili View Post
It's most likely terrorism - however, the question is, domestic or foreign, and whose idea. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions, and, given the circumstances, I wouldn't even be sure the person(s) behind it actually meant anything to happen - unless they're truly a few bricks shy of a load and don't even know what sort of fertilizer to use.

Now, if Napolitano was reacting to questions asking whether it was definitely foreign terrorism, I can see why she's not going for it at this point - I'll bet you a donut it'll be domestic, and wouldn't be surprised if it's right wing reactionary in genesis (and I mean the truly wacko right wing folks, not just normal conservatives).
You may end up wishing you had taken your own advice of,
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"I wouldn't jump to any conclusions"
or not.
post #8 of 92
Indeed. Remember, in the first weeks of the Beltway shooter sitation, they were looking for a white van that had been "near the scene". We all know how that worked out for them.
post #9 of 92
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...108.guest.html

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Media Hopes to Blame Right for Times Square Bombing Attempt
Boy, oh, boy, oh, boy! I'm watching the government-controlled media out here (laughing) on this Times Square bomb that was discovered. If they can't hang this on a redneck tea bagger, they're going to hang this on the SUV. You know, every story mentions it's an SUV. Why is that?
Not only the media, I have a feeling.

New facts are emerging. The guy is a Naturalized Citizen from Pakistan is what I am hearing.

post #10 of 92
On the CBS Evening News, Bloomberg described the bomb as amateurish and said for all they knew it was someone who disagreed with healthcare legislation. Anyone else see that? I couldn't believe it came out of his mouth.
post #11 of 92
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
On the CBS Evening News, Bloomberg described the bomb as amateurish and said for all they knew it was someone who disagreed with healthcare legislation. Anyone else see that? I couldn't believe it came out of his mouth.


Told you! The Left is simply salivating they want the Times Square would-be bomber to be a far right looney tune SO bad. Isn't that nice?
post #12 of 92
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
Any act like that is terrorism, whether it comes from the typical terrorists or not
Since the goal of the act was clearly to incite terror, it was, by definition, terrorism, no matter who did it, left, right, or silly middle.

Apparently there is some edict in the White House not to say the word, or perhaps some people just can't come to terms with the concept.

To me, her performance was just disgraceful and cowardly.

This sort of thing gets very complex, sometimes. It might even be something as esoteric as the government in Pakistan agitiating for more financial assistance.
post #13 of 92
Turn on Fox Cinder, you won't get that left wing wishful thinking BS.
post #14 of 92
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Turn on Fox Cinder, you won't get that left wing wishful thinking BS.
Judge Judy was on Fox at the moment, so I figured the information was going to be about the same. Sure hope that doesn't turn out to be Dick Cheney changing his shirt in the alleyway.
post #15 of 92
Yes, mrblanche, it was terrorism, plain and simple, whether she will say the word or not (and she won't). I worry about the diversion tactic - while the entire city of NY is tending to this "near-catastrophe", a "bigger and better" bomb is actually detonated elsewhere. Am I the only one who thinks of these things in the darkest hours of the night?

This whole thing chills me to the bone, as my daughter was in NYC on a school trip just one week before attending a Broadway show in that very location.
I'm afraid that sooner or later, our luck is going to run out and either the terrorist is going to get smarter and more savvy and actually get the deed done, or our street vendors/potential witnesses are going to be too pre-occupied to notice something's amiss.
post #16 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
Judge Judy was on Fox at the moment, so I figured the information was going to be about the same. Sure hope that doesn't turn out to be Dick Cheney changing his shirt in the alleyway.
Seventeen thousand comedians out of work in Hollywood, and you're making lame left-wing jokes!
post #17 of 92
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Since the goal of the act was clearly to incite terror, it was, by definition, terrorism, no matter who did it, left, right, or silly middle.

Apparently there is some edict in the White House not to say the word, or perhaps some people just can't come to terms with the concept.

To me, her performance was just disgraceful and cowardly.

This sort of thing gets very complex, sometimes. It might even be something as esoteric as the government in Pakistan agitiating for more financial assistance.
I don't know why she didn't use the word, but here is my speculation of something other than cowardice..
The British government stopped using the phrase "war on terror" a long time ago, because apparently, it gives the ones responsible for the violent acts a common identity and makes them unite stronger against the government. By labeling the act as "terrorism", it might encourage others to join in the cause, so it may be an act of caution on her part..
Using the term terrorism creates a very clear definition of us vs. them, we don't want to make all of the extremists who don't have terrorist tendencies decide to join in the more violent cause of the extremists who are potentially responsible for this...
Remember the old saying "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" ..They don't consider themselves terrorist by any means, and when our government calls them terrorists, it can potentially amplify the conflict.

I don't know if it's just me but I feel like lot of conservatives believe in aggressiveness almost to a point of revenge, and would gladly wage a "war on terror" and gladly try to spite the extremists and just show 'em! Lots of emotion there but not a whole lot of strategic and logical thinking...just my experience talking to conservatives on the issue of "terrorism"...that's what we have this military for right? The military that we spend so much of our tax money on that conservatives never EVER complain about...
post #18 of 92
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Seventeen thousand comedians out of work in Hollywood, and you're making lame left-wing jokes!


I have wondered whether announcing a definite terror attack is being purposely avoided because of worries about economic consequenses. I always worry what kind of reaction another big hit will have. Maybe our retirement accounts will go back down the toilet. People stay home. Stop traveling. Stop spending. (more so than already)

Threecatowner, I also think we're on borrowed time.
post #19 of 92
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
Sure hope that doesn't turn out to be Dick Cheney changing his shirt in the alleyway.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...uare-car-bomb/

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American Who Recently Visited Pakistan Eyed in Times Square Bomb Plot

FOXNews.com

The person is a naturalized American citizen who was in Pakistan for several months and returned to the United States recently, investigative sources told Fox News
post #20 of 92
Well, they got him, at JFK airport as he was trying to leave the country.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/04...s-square-plot/

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BREAKING NEWS -- Federal authorities arrested a U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent Monday night at New York's JFK Airport in connection with the attempted Times Square car bombing, Fox News has learned.

The man was identified as Shahzad Faisal, 30, of Connecticut, according to NBC News.

Police had interviewed the registered owner of the bomb-laden sports-utility vehicle. They said he was not a suspect, but he recently sold the dark-colored 1993 Nissan Pathfinder on Craigslist to another individual, whom the Associated Press reported was a Pakistani-American.
He wasn't a looney right winger after all.
I guess this means the "War on Terror" is back on. Can we stop calling it a "Man Caused Disaster" now?

And a big shout out to all involved in catching this Islamic Extremist Terrorist. GOOD WORK!
post #21 of 92
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
To me, her performance was just disgraceful and cowardly.
I think maybe it's specific to her, because I did hear Gibbs the Press Secretary use the word a few times re: this case. But yeah --we expect more from her, given her title.

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Well, they got him, at JFK airport as he was trying to leave the country.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/04...s-square-plot/



He wasn't a looney right winger after all.
I guess this means the "War on Terror" is back on. Can we stop calling it a "Man Caused Disaster" now?

And a big shout out to all involved in catching this Islamic Extremist Terrorist. GOOD WORK!
Nice, fast work!
Go USA!
post #22 of 92
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Well, they got him, at JFK airport as he was trying to leave the country.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/04...s-square-plot/



He wasn't a looney right winger after all.
I guess this means the "War on Terror" is back on. Can we stop calling it a "Man Caused Disaster" now?

And a big shout out to all involved in catching this Islamic Extremist Terrorist. GOOD WORK!

Oh good. That means we can try him in US criminal court, just like the criminal he is, instead of one of those magical, mystical boogeymen we've been making the few the criminals at gitmo out to be.
post #23 of 92
I'm glad they caught him. Terrorists are cowards. Lock him up in dark, damp cell and let him rot.
post #24 of 92
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Yeah, somewhere where his compatriots can't try to rescue him, and where he won't be constantly visited by crackpot lawyers, journalists, etc. Somewhere like...oh, say, Guantanamo Bay!

But the secure prison in Colorado would do.

"Magical, mystical boogeymen?" Is that what the White House is calling them now? Since, like the word "terrorist," the White House has declared that the UN-defined term "enemy combatant" will not pass the lips of anyone in the administration.
post #25 of 92
Just hope it was nice fast correct work - and let's hope that the right wing extremists don't decide that everyone who looks 'middle eastern' are terrorists.
post #26 of 92
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Yeah, somewhere where his compatriots can't try to rescue him, and where he won't be constantly visited by crackpot lawyers, journalists, etc. Somewhere like...oh, say, Guantanamo Bay!

But the secure prison in Colorado would do.
He's a US citizen. He has the absolute right to all those things. Even if charged with treason.

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"Magical, mystical boogeymen?" Is that what the White House is calling them now? Since, like the word "terrorist," the White House has declared that the UN-defined term "enemy combatant" will not pass the lips of anyone in the administration.
No, that's what I'm saying they are feared to be by lots of people. Even in chains and under guard, they're just too dangerous to even be brought to CONUS, they have to be "tried" in secret by kangaroo courts because they are far, far more powerful and dangerous than "normal" murderers, and they may magically manipulate the justice system to prevent it from being sufficiently stacked against them, which many in this country feel is an absolute necessity.

I'm quite sure they deeply appreciate the obvious fear the US has of their very existence presented to the world by that attitude, and the recruiting boon is gives them by being so dreaded and powerful.

If you treat criminals like criminals, always, it eventually dawns on them that they're criminals, and they become less attractive to idealists, and end up recruiting only other criminals.
post #27 of 92
He may lose his newly minted citizenship!

http://law.jrank.org/pages/23925/Tro...tizenship.html

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A United States citizen may, under certain circumstances, be stripped of her or his citizenship. A leading case on the loss of citizenship is Trop v. Dulles (1958). In that case, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the loss of citizenship for desertion--without allegiance to a foreign power by the deserter--was cruel and unusual punishment under the Eight Amendment to the Constitution and beyond the war powers of Congress. In Kennedy v. Mendoza-Martinez (1963), the High Court held that a person who leaves the country during time of war to avoid military service may be deprived of his citizenship, but not without a hearing.

There are many actions that can lead to the loss of citizenship. These include obtaining naturalization in a foreign state, entering into the armed forces of another state, accepting employment in the government of another state, formally renouncing one's United States nationality before a diplomat or consular officer in a foreign state, committing treason against the United States, and attempting to overthrow or bear arms against the United States.

Read more: Trop v. Dulles - Rescinding American Citizenship http://law.jrank.org/pages/23925/Tro...#ixzz0myenkFoH
post #28 of 92
Would the loss of citizenship be a good thing to pursue? As long as he is a US citizen he is subject to US law. If his US citizenship is taken away, he presumably reverts to being a Pakistani citizen and could conceivably be returned to Pakistan, where he would be tried according to their laws, no?
post #29 of 92
Good question 2dogmom. I really don't know. I understand Pakistan is cooperating in rounding up his co-conspirators and 8 in Pakistan have been arrested.
post #30 of 92
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Originally Posted by darlili View Post
I'll bet you a donut it'll be domestic, and wouldn't be surprised if it's right wing reactionary in genesis (and I mean the truly wacko right wing folks, not just normal conservatives).
Darn, it really sucks that the Times Square Bomber was a.......................................... hold on to your horses now............................................................................. ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ................................................................................ ...................................... A REGISTERED Democrat!

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Originally Posted by darlili View Post
Just hope it was nice fast correct work - and let's hope that the right wing extremists don't decide that everyone who looks 'middle eastern' are terrorists.
Still hoping against hope for that "right wing" connection I see. Sorry, maybe next time.


You know, I have to say, I find it so depressing that many on the Left were just praying that the Time Square Bomber would be a "right wing extremist". I find that so pathetic and I really hope some people can now see why those of us on the Right get irritated.

Tea Party people are painted as vile, racist and violent extremists by the media, democratic politicians and many liberal Americans. When the actual FACTS are, there has been none of the above. The rally's are peaceful, no Tea Party people are advocating the murder of Barack Obama like MANY on the left did Bush.

Then we have the left wing Immigration Rally's this weekend, with multiple instances of violence, left wing protestors breaking out window's in multiple businesses, left wing protestors attacking and assaulting people for no reason and lo and behold, no media coverage of THAT.

Then we have NYC Mayor Bloomberg, getting on National TV yesterday saying the Times Square bomber could be, "somebody with a political agenda who didn't like the health care bill or something"
Now this morning we have the venerable Mayor Bloomberg saying, "I want to make clear that we will not tolerate any bias or backlash against Pakistani's or Muslim New Yorkers, all of us live in this city and among any group there is always a few bad apples but the people that live in this city are proud of the fact...... blah blah blah".

Sooo, it is okay for Mayor Blooming Idiot to insinuate, yesterday, that the Times Square bomber was a right winger with a political agenda again the health care bill and that is fine and dandy, but now we KNOW FOR A FACT that the bomber was a Registered Democrat so everybody better lay off.


And last but NOT least, when do I get my donut?

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