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Vibes for Helen, please!!

post #1 of 31
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My little girl Helen almost died yesterday!

Just as I was getting ready to leave the house, I heard the sound of a cat throwing up. I went to see what was happening, and found Helen, collapsed on the floor with a pool of vomit in front of her and a puddle of urine behind her. She was completely blue, ice cold, couldn't stand up, totally limp and panting. Just moments earlier she had been walking around normally. I threw a blanket around her and drove 100 miles an hour to the ER.

They put her in the oxygen cage immediately and took her temp (96 degrees). First order of business was to get her stabilized before they could even try to figure out what caused this. She was still completely blue half an hour later when I left her. But I saw her making biscuits in the oxygen cage, so I wasn't giving up on her.

Well, my little trooper pulled through!! When I picked her up this morning she was oh so happy to see me. I got some serious kisses and lovin'. (I was even happier to see her, though!!) The ER vet admitted to me this morning that she didn't think she was going to make it through the night.

The problem...we have no idea what caused her collapse. No clue. She had a clear echocardiogram 6 months ago. She had a full senior blood panel last month that was perfect. The only thing out of ordinary with her is that she's had a chronic cough that's been unresponsive to antibiotics. Her heart still looks great on her radiographs, but her lungs look "blotchy", my vet says it doesn't look like asthma, but it looks like bronchitis...? And it doesn't explain the collapse.

Now I'm thinking this may be heartworms. Before I rescued her last year, she was in a cage outside. In Florida. Lots of mosquitos here... and though we still don't see a lot of cases of heartworms in cats, she would be a strong candidate for it. I'm waiting for the results of her HW test now. Heartworms might explain the collapse, if an adult HW died, it could cause an embolism and cause her to collapse (often this causes sudden death!) but the strange thing is that Helen recovered so quickly from it, and they don't usually recover the way she did. The whole thing is so confusing, and without answers, I'm absolutely terrified that she's going to collapse again.

The ER vet also mentioned doing a tracheal wash to check for lungworms and doing a C & S, but I am far too fearful right now of anesthetizing a cat that just turned blue for reasons unknown!!

Please pray for a negative HW test. As you may know, heartworm infections in cats are not safely treatable. I'm prepared for just about anything else.

Helen needs all of your magical TCS vibes and prayers please!!!
post #2 of 31
I will keep your dear kitty Helen in my prayers.

As I read through your post, I was thinking heartworm as well.

When will you get the HW test result back? Years ago I had my kitty Tigger tested for HW because she had some breathing issues and I'd previously lived in an area of the country where there were a lot of mosquitoes and we were close to the water. They were able to do some kind of quick in-house test, think they called it a snap test? Took about 20 minutes to get the result. She was negative.

Keep us posted. Was heartwarming to read how happy she was to see you, awww, so sweet.
post #3 of 31
Prayers for Helen.
I hope she will be ok.
I hope it is not heart worms.
My Coco got sick like that once and it was asthma with bronchitis.
She was 9 then and I was told she would not live.
She is now 18.
I hope Helen will be ok.
I know how much you love her.

post #4 of 31
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Thank you for the prayers, food_lady! I opted to have her blood sent out because the in-house snap test only looks for heartworm antigens, and the lab will look for antigens and antibodies, so it might be more accurate. In Helen's case - since we have basically no answers - I went for the most accurate test.

I should have an answer tomorrow. I'm glad to hear your test was negative in a high risk area...that gives me hope!!

Helen is doing well tonight, staying warm and pink. She's been sleeping a lot and I keep waking her up and checking her gums to make sure she isn't blue again. No doubt she's getting sick of me by now!
post #5 of 31
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Originally Posted by mews2much View Post
Prayers for Helen.
I hope she will be ok.
I hope it is not heart worms.
My Coco got sick like that once and it was asthma with bronchitis.
She was 9 then and I was told she would not live.
She is now 18.
I hope Helen will be ok.
I know how much you love her.

Thanks, Jacky. Is Coco the kitty you use the inhaler with? The ER vet mentioned asthma (though my regular vet didn't think it was asthma) and said I may consider an inhaler if her HW test is negative. I hope I do as well with my cats as you've done with yours!!
post #6 of 31
Brooke,
Coco is the cat that has the inhaler.
She also has a heart murmur now.
The vet did mention a med but said she does not need it yet.
I know you do all you can for your cats.
When Coco first had asthma years ago they said it was bronchitis.
It was asthma all along.
Her asthma is acting up now because the pollen is so bad.
I hope Helen has something that can be treated.
We also have a ton of mosquitoes now.
You do not deserve all this bad luck with your cats.

post #7 of 31
Poor baby!!! I hope it isn't heartworms and that they find out what it was. Praying that it never ever happens again.
post #8 of 31
Oh my God Brooke you are going through so much already ... I will be praying for both of you please please be of little one
post #9 of 31
of Helen . I hope they get to the bottom of this quickly
post #10 of 31
My vet was able to test for lungworms with a stool sample. (My 9-month-old male has a very occasional, but scary, cough, so I will be talking with my vet about testing him for heartworms today. He was born feral last summer and lived outdoors for just the first 9 weeks his of life...)

Sending many vibes for Helen and you! What a terrifying situation, and I'm so glad she made it! Fingers crossed it's not heartworms.

post #11 of 31
How scarey for you and Helen!

I hope never comes back. I can understand how paranoid you must be. I will say prayers for you and Helen, sweet girl.
post #12 of 31
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Helen's heartworm test was negative!!

I still have no answers as to why she collapsed, and am terrified that it will happen again...but I am SO relieved the HW test was negative.

The next step is 3 weeks of strong antibiotics to see if it helps her cough...she was already on antibiotics that didn't stop the coughing, but she was more active and playful during the antibiotics (Baytril), so my vet is hopeful they were starting to work and she just needs a longer course of them...??? Does this sound right?

I'm going to go ahead and have her dewormed for potential lungworms, too.

Thanks for the vibes, everyone!!
post #13 of 31
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Originally Posted by Bunnelina View Post
My vet was able to test for lungworms with a stool sample. (My 9-month-old male has a very occasional, but scary, cough, so I will be talking with my vet about testing him for heartworms today. He was born feral last summer and lived outdoors for just the first 9 weeks his of life...)

Sending many vibes for Helen and you! What a terrifying situation, and I'm so glad she made it! Fingers crossed it's not heartworms.

Bunnelina, best of luck to you and your boy today. A cough is always a scary thing. Vibes right back at you!
post #14 of 31
Thank goodness she pulled through! But how horrible not to know what it is. When I saw your post, I thought, "oh no, not that cute little dancing Helen from the April photo contest". What a darling picture!

Anyway, here are some vibes that it never happens again, whatever it is!!
post #15 of 31
Oh my, how awful, I am so glad the test came back negative and that Helen makes a full recovery and it maybe just a one off.xx
post #16 of 31
Prayers going out to you and sweet Helen. I know you are terrified. I hope any further testing comes back negative AND I hope they figure out what caused it.
post #17 of 31
for Helen.
post #18 of 31
for Helen, i hope they find out what was/is wrong
post #19 of 31
I just read through this thread now, and wow, scary!! Good thing she collapsed while you were still at home so you could get her to the vet!

Glad to hear she's negative for HW, and I hope these antibiotics work!!

post #20 of 31
How is the little sweetie doing today???
post #21 of 31
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Bunnelina, best of luck to you and your boy today. A cough is always a scary thing. Vibes right back at you!
Thank you! We can use those vibes! I won't get his results until tomorrow or Saturday. My vet thinks it's unlikely it's heartworms, but his cough just comes out of nowhere. Weird. He had another spell in the middle of the night.

I hope the antibiotics help Helen's lungs quickly! I am SO GLAD she doesn't have heartworms. Keep us posted on her progress, please!

post #22 of 31
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Thank you for checking in, everyone! Helen is doing really well. She's been sleeping a bit more than usual, but I suppose that's to be expected considering the ordeal she's been through... Interestingly, I haven't heard her cough once since she's been home. I wonder if that's a result of the nebulizer treatment she got while she was in the ER...? And if so, does that indicate her problem might be asthma?

My vet insists that she doesn't have asthma, because of the pattern on her lungs, but we all know cats don't always follow the textbook when it comes to these things. At this point, he has no idea what is wrong with her or what caused her collapse. This is really upsetting to me, because I fear without treating something, is she at risk of collapse again?!

Helen is a compulsive licker, btw. She has the world's roughest tongue - like 40 grit sandpaper. She is always trying to lick my face but it hurts too much and I make her stop...but ever since this happened, I've been letting her get a few licks in. She's milking it for all it's worth!! I'll probably need reconstructive surgery soon.
post #23 of 31
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Thank you! We can use those vibes! I won't get his results until tomorrow or Saturday. My vet thinks it's unlikely it's heartworms, but his cough just comes out of nowhere. Weird. He had another spell in the middle of the night.

I hope the antibiotics help Helen's lungs quickly! I am SO GLAD she doesn't have heartworms. Keep us posted on her progress, please!

Bunnelina, do you have a thread about his coughing? I haven't been on TCS enough to have seen one. I'm curious what it sounds like...is it a wet sounding cough (like Helen's) or a dry, hacking cough?

Her coughing comes out of nowhere, too, usually while she's resting. And it's not every day, but maybe every other day. The fits don't last for more than a few seconds, but the morning of her 'episode' she had a fit that lasted for about 45 seconds.

Here's hoping you get some answers, too!
post #24 of 31
I am sure I replied to this before, I guess I forgot to press submit again

that you get some answers and it was a one time thing and nothing serious
post #25 of 31
I went through a strange cough with my five year old kitty Max over the winter. It came on over night. We had him tested for heartworms which was negative. We also treated him for the lung worm even though the vet did not think it was lung worms. The vet did not think it was asthma either from the xray and he gave Max a shot of long acting steroid which did not improve the cough. They also from the xray ruled out heart issues and did not hear a murmur.

It was very upsetting not knowing why Max was coughing, but the good news is that it slowly went away. I am just hoping it was a kitty cold or virus and won't come back. I hope Helen's cough goes away soon and she is feeling better!
post #26 of 31
I ;am keeping you in my thoughts. Lets hope this was a one time thing!!
post #27 of 31
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Bunnelina, do you have a thread about his coughing? I haven't been on TCS enough to have seen one. I'm curious what it sounds like...is it a wet sounding cough (like Helen's) or a dry, hacking cough?

Her coughing comes out of nowhere, too, usually while she's resting. And it's not every day, but maybe every other day. The fits don't last for more than a few seconds, but the morning of her 'episode' she had a fit that lasted for about 45 seconds.

Here's hoping you get some answers, too!
Hi BrookSphynx, I don't have a thread. I hope I don't need to start one.... Possum's coughing started in October when he had calici virus. He'd have long, scary attacks, but at least we knew it was the virus. After he got better, he continued to have occasional long coughing spells into December, January, and February. These would often happen when he was sleeping; he'd wake up with a coughing spell maybe once a week. Otherwise, he seemed fine. In March, I was hopeful that they'd they'd tapered off and stopped for good. But he's had three more spells in the past week.

His former coughing spells would last between 20 and 40 seconds I'd say. He would crouch on all fours, stick his neck out and cough deeply and continuously with wide eyes and a lot of effort. I'm sorry I can't really tell you if they were wet or dry. They were sort of in the middle. (So not very wet, but also not a "light" dry cough.) I could tell he was freaked out by each episode — he was only a little kitten, and they seemed to last an eternity.

His recent coughing spells have been shorter and a bit less violent, but he's a great big cat now. I asked our vet if I could be confusing them with retching (like with a hairball) and I'm still not sure. I guess they look similar.

I'm still waiting for his heartworm test results. Fingers crossed!!! And thanks very much for the vibes.

How useful to have a cat who is also an exfoliator! If she liked to lick feet, she could give pedicures!

More seriously, have you considered consulting other vets, possibly a cardiopulmonary specialist, to try to get to the bottom of this? I can only imagine how stressful it must be for you to be worrying that Helen might have another collapse. I would find it difficult to ever leave the house.




UPDATE: Possum's heartworm tests are negative. YAY!!! The vet thinks the coughing could be a lingering effect from the virus, an allergy, or post-nasal drip (he has a cold, very wet nose). I'm really relieved we stop worrying about heartworms! I hope Helen is doing well!
post #28 of 31
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Hi BrookSphynx, I don't have a thread. I hope I don't need to start one.... Possum's coughing started in October when he had calici virus. He'd have long, scary attacks, but at least we knew it was the virus. After he got better, he continued to have occasional long coughing spells into December, January, and February. These would often happen when he was sleeping; he'd wake up with a coughing spell maybe once a week. Otherwise, he seemed fine. In March, I was hopeful that they'd they'd tapered off and stopped for good. But he's had three more spells in the past week.

His former coughing spells would last between 20 and 40 seconds I'd say. He would crouch on all fours, stick his neck out and cough deeply and continuously with wide eyes and a lot of effort. I'm sorry I can't really tell you if they were wet or dry. They were sort of in the middle. (So not very wet, but also not a "light" dry cough.) I could tell he was freaked out by each episode — he was only a little kitten, and they seemed to last an eternity.

His recent coughing spells have been shorter and a bit less violent, but he's a great big cat now. I asked our vet if I could be confusing them with retching (like with a hairball) and I'm still not sure. I guess they look similar.

I'm still waiting for his heartworm test results. Fingers crossed!!! And thanks very much for the vibes.

How useful to have a cat who is also an exfoliator! If she liked to lick feet, she could give pedicures!

More seriously, have you considered consulting other vets, possibly a cardiopulmonary specialist, to try to get to the bottom of this? I can only imagine how stressful it must be for you to be worrying that Helen might have another collapse. I would find it difficult to ever leave the house.




UPDATE: Possum's heartworm tests are negative. YAY!!! The vet thinks the coughing could be a lingering effect from the virus, an allergy, or post-nasal drip (he has a cold, very wet nose). I'm really relieved we stop worrying about heartworms! I hope Helen is doing well!
Yay!!! So glad to hear another negative HW result!! The waiting was awful, right?

Possum's coughing spells sound different than Helen's...oddly, while she's coughing, she doesn't seem uncomfortable at all. My HCM boy has terrible coughing fits with his neck extended very low to the ground, and I can tell he's struggling to get air, but when Helen is coughing, she barely even sits up. Sometimes she doesn't open her mouth. I could almost describe it like she's clearing her throat...but...cats don't do that.

"How useful to have a cat who is also an exfoliator! If she liked to lick feet, she could give pedicures! "

Funny you should say this...when she gets into one of her obsessive licking moods, I've tried offering her a foot! She refuses to lick my feet. Yes, she will lick her own bottom, but she won't lick my feet. I try not to take it personally...

Regarding consulting another vet...yes - that's the plan. If the 3 weeks of Baytril don't have any effect, I'm going to take her for a second opinion somewhere. She did have an echocardiogram about 8 months ago (just routine, since HCM is so prevalent in her breed) and her heart was in great shape, and still looks great on xray now. So, I'm not too concerned about her heart, but I would like to find a vet that knows a lot about kitty lungs because they look awful. She does have Feline Herpes. I'm also considering a PCR to find out if she's got any other upper respiratory thing going on in addition to the herpes.

Anyhow, it's been 4 days since the "incident" and still no coughing. She's in the kitchen being a diva and yelling for me right now...still taking full advantage of my pity!
post #29 of 31
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I went through a strange cough with my five year old kitty Max over the winter. It came on over night. We had him tested for heartworms which was negative. We also treated him for the lung worm even though the vet did not think it was lung worms. The vet did not think it was asthma either from the xray and he gave Max a shot of long acting steroid which did not improve the cough. They also from the xray ruled out heart issues and did not hear a murmur.

It was very upsetting not knowing why Max was coughing, but the good news is that it slowly went away. I am just hoping it was a kitty cold or virus and won't come back. I hope Helen's cough goes away soon and she is feeling better!
Great to hear Max's cough went away on it's own! How long did the coughing last before it went away?

I wish my vet were more willing to try some things like yours...for example, I've asked him to treat Helen for lung worms - just in case - but he won't do it because he says it's rare and not likely. He won't even do a fecal to check her for lung worms because they rarely ever show up in a fecal. URGH!! On the other hand, he has no idea why she's coughing and isn't offering up any other suggestions to figure it out. I'd feel a lot better if we were doing something diagnostic!
post #30 of 31
I'm so glad Helen's doing well! I think you're doing and planning all the right things. And, of course, you must continue to be Helen's willing slave. She certainly looks like a little diva who can make the most of that!

Hmm.... Being feral, Possum hasn't had any testing for HCM. I know my vet is aware of it, but hasn't mentioned it as a possibility for him. She talked me out of getting purebred Maine Coons because of it, which how I ended up with ferals. She said his heart sounds strong and his lungs sound great.

I've started a thread on post-nasal drip because she thinks that's a possibility and I don't know much about it in cats. (Although I wake up with coughing fits from it myself, so I'm thinking it's similar for Possum.)

More vibes for Helen, may she keep going strong!
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