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Obama's Security Advisor on Video telling Anti-Semitic Joke

post #1 of 66
4/26/10 at 3:45pm
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http://www.breitbart.tv/obamas-natio...eedy-merchants

Oh, how wonderful. And the crowd thinks it is just hilarious.
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post #2 of 66
4/26/10 at 4:24pm
Bomb, bomb, bomb.....
Bomb, bomb Iran.......

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post #3 of 66
4/26/10 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Bomb, bomb, bomb.....
Bomb, bomb Iran.......
And your point is?
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post #4 of 66
4/26/10 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
And your point is?
It's a joke.
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post #5 of 66
4/26/10 at 4:36pm
its not anti semitic at all it borders on it as religion is used, if a reglion hadn't of been mentioned it wouldnt be an issue at all
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post #6 of 66
4/26/10 at 4:37pm
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Okay, I will take that as you feel it is A-okay for the Untied States National Security Advisor to tell an Anti-Semitic joke to a crowd of people who find the joke hilarious and your reason may or may not have something to do with the fact that a presidential candidate joked about "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran."

I got it now. You can correct me if I'm wrong.
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post #7 of 66
4/26/10 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Okay, I will take that as you feel it is A-okay for the Untied States National Security Advisor to tell an Anti-Semitic joke to a crowd of people who find the joke hilarious and your reason may or may not have something to do with the fact that a presidential candidate joked about "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran."

I got it now. You can correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not going to drag up "the moat" thread, but I do recall debating McCain's bomb Iran joke back then and I'll bet your statement about it was that it was a joke.

Why is one joke worse than another? Is it worse to joke about one nationality than another?
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post #8 of 66
4/26/10 at 5:42pm
That is so sad. Its an old joke and there was NEVER any group labeled - it was added to the joke and in very poor taste and anti-semitic. And I'm not Jewish either and found it offensive.
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post #9 of 66
4/26/10 at 5:44pm
Obama is already pretty unpopular with Jews, since before he was even elected, when Rev. Wright issues came out (speaking from personal experience, my BF is part of a jewish organization, and anti- Obama emails are sent out regularly)...I don't think there will be a lot of jewish votes in the upcoming election.
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post #10 of 66
4/26/10 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
its not anti semitic at all it borders on it as religion is used, if a reglion hadn't of been mentioned it wouldnt be an issue at all
Of course it is anti-semitic, did you not listen to it? Religion was not mentioned. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

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I'm not going to drag up "the moat" thread, but I do recall debating McCain's bomb Iran joke back then and I'll bet your statement about it was that it was a joke.

Why is one joke worse than another? Is it worse to joke about one nationality than another?
Nice deflection.

We are talking about the United States National Security Advisor here, telling his little Anti-Semitic joke to a room full of people that thought it was simply hilarious. I guess by the way Barack has been treating Israel, this is pretty indicative of how racist the Obama administration is.

I guess those Anti-Semitic signs, at the liberal rally I posted the link to, were more appropriate to many on the left than I originally thought.
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post #11 of 66
4/26/10 at 9:35pm
Four thousand years ago God told Abraham that he would bless those that blessed him and curse those that cursed him. Over the years it has proven to be the truth. As a nation, we better hope that the USA continues to support Israel instead of doing things against God's chosen people.
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post #12 of 66
4/27/10 at 2:20am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Of course it is anti-semitic, did you not listen to it? Religion was not mentioned. I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
So the word Jewish does not pop up at all?? see now it does just over 40 seconds into the joke there for making it religious or am i just completly missing some sort of point you are trying to make, i didnt find it offensive the all you have, ive heard a lot worse read a lot worse, What if it had been a Jewish comedian saying this joke would you still be up in arms

i still think that if the word jewish hadnt of been used there would not be this fuss about it, if it had of simply been two borthers that had the shops
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post #13 of 66
4/27/10 at 2:58am
I didn't see anything religious about it at all. It seemed to be more centered around the negative stereotype of Jews as an ethnicity. So, still in very poor taste, and not really even a good joke.

Some people shall remain forever clueless.
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post #14 of 66
4/27/10 at 3:08am
I agree with that its negative stero typing its also poking fun at the afgans aswell no one seems to of metioned that and before anyone jumps in and asks if im an afgan supporter im am not im very much opposed to that war one i dont agree with one that killed my best friend im simply stating we are just seeing it as an attack against Jews

and i would say im clueless about it i just have a different opinion to everyone else on it
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post #15 of 66
4/27/10 at 3:13am
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
I agree with that its negative stero typing its also poking fun at the afgans aswell no one seems to of metioned that and before anyone jumps in and asks if im an afgan supporter im am not im very much opposed to that war one i dont agree with one that killed my best friend im simply stating we are just seeing it as an attack against Jews

and i would say im clueless about it i just have a different opinion to everyone else on it
Sorry about the confusion aj, my "clueless" remark was meant about the yahoo that was telling the joke.
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post #16 of 66
4/27/10 at 3:18am
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Sorry about the confusion aj, my "clueless" remark was meant about the yahoo that was telling the joke.
haha its my parinoid state off mind i always think everyone is out to get me
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post #17 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:11am
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So the word Jewish does not pop up at all?? see now it does just over 40 seconds into the joke there for making it religious or am i just completly missing some sort of point you are trying to make, i didnt find it offensive the all you have, ive heard a lot worse read a lot worse, What if it had been a Jewish comedian saying this joke would you still be up in arms

i still think that if the word jewish hadnt of been used there would not be this fuss about it, if it had of simply been two borthers that had the shops
Since when is "Jewish" a religion?

So, if this is no big deal to you, I guess you wouldn't mind if the United States National Security Advisor got up there and told his joke, but, instead of saying, "Jew", he said "black guy" that wouldn't be inappropriate either?

As far as a "Jewish comedian" saying it, yes that would be fine. The same as it is okay for a black comedian to say n*****, but it is NOT okay for a white person to say the "n" word. It really is not hard to understand.

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post #18 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:15am
I'd personally file this under "Much Ado About Nothing". I have Jewish lineage and am extremely sensitive when it comes to Israeli/Jewish issues, and I firmly believe that most Jews would find this to be small potatoes; you'd likely hear more than your share of snickers, in fact.

I peruse numerous Israeli/Jewish news sites and forums, and this "story" was nowhere to be seen. A provocateur looking for a "story" will always make the argument that that's how evil starts, with disparaging sound bites and other such subtleties that seem harmless, etc...but I think most of us have moved on from taking offense at cultural references such as this that are parlayed into jokes. Everyone does it, and there's a reason why; to some degree it enhances the acceptance of other cultures, when presenting foreign behavior in a lighthearted fashion. Prevents elements of taboo from transitioning into stigma.

IMO.
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post #19 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
I agree with that its negative stero typing its also poking fun at the afgans aswell no one seems to of metioned that and before anyone jumps in and asks if im an afgan supporter im am not im very much opposed to that war one i dont agree with one that killed my best friend im simply stating we are just seeing it as an attack against Jews

and i would say im clueless about it i just have a different opinion to everyone else on it
The joke mentions the "Taliban."
Are ALL Taliban Afghans?
Are ALL Afghans Taliban?

So, in your opinion, the United States should have just sucked it up after the terrorist bombing on September 11, 2001 that brought down the World Trade Center towers, bombed the Pentagon and killed +2,700 American's?
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post #20 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:26am
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Since when is "Jewish" a religion?
Just out of curiousity, what exactly are you asking with this question?
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post #21 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by John McCain, 1998
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."
That was bad, but I think the record for tasteless jokes is still held by Richard Nixon's Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz. If you weren't around in the 1970s when things weren't so PC you missed something. I can't post them because they are so bad. He finally had to resign over it.
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post #22 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:39am
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Just out of curiousity, what exactly are you asking with this question?
If you read the thread that will explain things.

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That was bad, but I think the record for tasteless jokes is still held by Richard Nixon's Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz. If you weren't around in the 1970s when things weren't so PC you missed something. I can't post them because they are so bad. He finally had to resign over it.
That was an awful joke and it has followed McCain ever since as well it should. It is not comparable as it doesn't denigrate an entire people.

Good GRIEF, it isn't hard to undertand why it is offensive for the National Security Advisor of the United States of America to make an anti-semitic joke to a room full of people. And I will have to check out who the room full of people were that found it so hilarious.

Is that going to be the new PC thing to do now, denigrate Jews? I guess if you want to suck up to jew haters, it is a great idea.
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post #23 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:39am
i do not believe the british should of entered an american war and there is nothing you can do to make me change my mind

So what is Jewish then?? hmmmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism

I have no problem with anyone speaking their mind on whatever they want to call anyone, i have many friens of many religions, races and such i have a very broad mind what one classes as offensive another may not

ckblv you can try your damndest all you like i will not agree with you on most of the stuff i read in this forum I rarely join in, in these topics and i wont even enter into a conversation or debate about the bombing of any of 9/11, also i dont really think you can have one rule for one and one for another
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post #24 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:46am
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All Jewish people are not followers of Judaism.
There are Jewish Christians, I know two who are members of my church. They are still Jewish.

That is your perogative to feel Britain shouldn't have helped the United States with the War in Afghanistan.

I'm glad the United States didn't feel the way you do during WWII when your country was being pummelled by the Germans. I'm glad we helped you.
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post #25 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:51am
way off topic now, you think im wrong that is fine i cant be bothered to put my opinion across to someone that doesnt want to hear and carries on to disagree with someones opinion that is after all the title of this forum, its peoples opinions i have stated mine and you seem to be attacking my opinion once again
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post #26 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:51am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Good GRIEF, it isn't hard to undertand why it is offensive for the National Security Advisor of the United States of America to make an anti-semitic joke to a room full of people. And I will have to check out who the room full of people were that found it so hilarious.

Is that going to be the new PC thing to do now, denigrate Jews? I guess if you want to suck up to jew haters, it is a great idea.
I'm not seeing what's new about it. And I know you were around to hear Earl Butz with his offensive potty mouth. People laughed their heads off then too. I admit I thought his crack about the Pope was funny. Then again I was 16 at the time. It shouldn't take much skill for a Secretary of Agriculture to stay out of the public spotlight but I really think he took the cake. This so-called anti-semitic joke doesn't even come close.
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post #27 of 66
4/27/10 at 8:53am
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If you read the thread that will explain things
I've read it, and it only prompts me to ask the question again.

You do realize that Jews are those that practice the religion of Judaism, right? The "Secular Jew", defined only through lineage, is something you hear thrown out now and then today, but does a disservice to the term. If you don't practice Judaism in some fashion, you're not a Jew.

So, "Jews", "Jewish", or "Jewishness" = religion.
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post #28 of 66
4/27/10 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by Keycube View Post
I've read it, and it only prompts me to ask the question again.

You do realize that Jews are those that practice the religion of Judaism, right? The "Secular Jew", defined only through lineage, is something you hear thrown out now and then today, but does a disservice to the term. If you don't practice Judaism in some fashion, you're not a Jew.

So, "Jews", "Jewish", or "Jewishness" = religion.
Sorry, not true.
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post #29 of 66
4/27/10 at 9:16am
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All Jewish people are not followers of Judaism.
There are Jewish Christians, I know two who are members of my church. They are still Jewish.

That is your perogative to feel Britain shouldn't have helped the United States with the War in Afghanistan.

I'm glad the United States didn't feel the way you do during WWII when your country was being pummelled by the Germans. I'm glad we helped you.
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Originally Posted by -_aj_- View Post
way off topic now, you think im wrong that is fine i cant be bothered to put my opinion across to someone that doesnt want to hear and carries on to disagree with someones opinion that is after all the title of this forum, its peoples opinions i have stated mine and you seem to be attacking my opinion once again
But, if you read my post that you are replying to, I said it is "your perogative to feel Britain shouldn't have helped the United States with the War in Afghanistan."
How is that "attacking" your opinion?
I don't think I am "carrying on".
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post #30 of 66
4/27/10 at 9:27am
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That was an awful joke and it has followed McCain ever since as well it should. It is not comparable as it doesn't denigrate an entire people.
I'm confused. If you make a tasteless joke about one specific person its okay, but if you make it about an entire people, its not?

Or is it okay if the joke was made by somebody you like as opposed to somebody you don't like?
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