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The subject of CAFE standards was brought up in one of my science classes when we were comparing a problem involving MPG in two different vehicles. What I'm curious about as why the American auto industry keeps getting, for lack of a better choice of words, a free pass when it comes to meeting new standards for more building more fuel efficient vehicles. Europe currently has a standard of 40 mpg which is going to be increased to 49 mpg. Japan's standard is going to be increased to 47 mpg. Meanwhile, the US keeps dragging its feet. Bush in 2007 signed into law a bill that established a minimum of 35 mpg by 2016 but failed to establish parameters telling automakers how to comply. Obama pushed this back to 2020. Why?
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The political handwringing in all of this goes back to after the Oil Embargo that OPEC placed on the United States because of our support of Israel and the fact that the Israelis whopped the collective butts of an Arab coalition during the Yom Kippur War. For almost four decades we have heard the same term from every president since (and including) Carter that we need to become "energy independent". How soon we forget the lessons learned from the 1973 energy crisis. Instead of enforcing more strict standards on fuel efficiency, why do the politicians keep giving caving in to the automakers when they bellyache they can't meet the deadlines even though the technology is there?
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Maybe I'm stupid, but if cars from overseas are so much more fuel efficient, why can't we just buy them here? (Oh yeah, California has emissions-per-gallon standards that the more efficient designs don't meet...the overseas cars put out less emissions-per-mile [and therefore per trip] than lots of California-approved cars, but California doesn't care about that.)
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I was under the impression the Obama administration got some concrete numbers and got a sooner date.

OK, on a quick check, I see the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has overturned the 2011 regulations to a certain extent. However, mileage and efficiency have steadily improved over the years, even though the average has been dragged down by the SUV's and pickups, mostly.

As someone else mentioned, since the US has been regulating emissions, rather than mileage, our emissions are better than those of most of the world (cleaner air) but often that has come with not so much improvement in fuel mileage.

Just as an oddity, most cars today have much higher performance than similar cars 30 years ago. I bought a brand-new 1978 Ford Fiesta. It was rated at 50 mpg, but really only got 35 mpg (most manufacturers had found ways of gaming the testing), and its 1600 cc engine produced a whole 64 hp. Our 2006 Cobalt is rated at 34 highway mpg, and we get it. It has 140 hp out of a 2400 cc engine, and is really zippy.

Now, here's the kicker. Since all engines are now computer controlled, Chevrolet could recall our car, put a different chip in it, limit it to 90 hp, and get it up to 40 mpg. They don't do that, but they could.

However, one thing to remember is that driving in the U.S. is very different from Europe. Our cars are our mass transit, and we have much longer distances than Europe does. Our cars go more miles, need to be more comfortable, and need to stand up to that treatment for years. That's why the Yugo and, to some extent, the Smart have been failures in the U.S. They are good for a certain type of driving, but they aren't versatile enough to really work well in most of the U.S.
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I originally thought the year mandated by the Bush administration was 2013 and the Obama administration was 2016. I didn't see any mention of that in what I was reading today which mentioned 2020.
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Originally Posted by ebrillblaiddes View Post
Maybe I'm stupid, but if cars from overseas are so much more fuel efficient, why can't we just buy them here? (Oh yeah, California has emissions-per-gallon standards that the more efficient designs don't meet...the overseas cars put out less emissions-per-mile [and therefore per trip] than lots of California-approved cars, but California doesn't care about that.)
California's regulations often affect which cars foreign manufacturers will sell in the US. I had this discussion a few years ago with the high mucky mucks at BMW because they did not offer the X5 as a diesel in the US. The answer was that since they wouldn't be able to sell it in California it wasn't worth it to them to sell it in the remainder of the US.
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That doesn't make sense to me. BMW could have sold the car throughout the rest of the United States with the exception of California. To me it's silly to deny the product to an entire country just because of a single state.
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I agree with you! But what you and I think don't matter. That was their logic and I guess that there were two reasons why. One is that if California passes some environmental law, sooner or later the rest of the US will follow suit. The other is that they may have a large proportion of their sales there so restricting sale to the 49 other states wouldn't have allowed them to make the profit they wanted. What I found ironic in that was that the X5 was and is manufactured in South Carolina.

By the way I had not been keeping up with what BMW was doing for the past three years but I see they are now offering a diesel in the X5. I guess they figured out a way to meet the stricter emissions standards.
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