Immigration reform - Page 3

In time this will come to a conclusion....Obama will give all illegals amnesty. They will be allowed to vote, and gee, guess who they will vote for?

The upcoming mid term elections, are IMO, the most important in the history of this country. If we don't get rid of the crumbs this time, we, as a nation are doomed.

It literally makes me cry to think of what has happened to the America I grew up in. That my grandchildren will have to read about it in history books.

It is sad when the word "illegal" is open to interpretation.

I don't know, it just seems futile to the point of silly to me. The police are already either overburdened or inefficient. To have police unable to contain the crime problem, presented with an entirely new class of "crime", with millions of "persons of interest", each one having to be fully vetted each time they are stopped walking to Circle K after 9 pm for ice cream, seems almost dumb, TBH.

I suppose that having half the on duty cops in any one area sitting in the booking room at any one time, filling out paperwork on "criminal migration" when a big robbery or shooting goes down will just be "one of those things".

Well, look at the bright side. At least Obama isn't raiding our tax revenues already collected and sending them out as imaginary "tax breaks" to buy votes from us with our own money...then still letting the government spend the money he gave away by borrowing the difference so that now we're paying interest for borrowing the money we already had.

I have an idea......lets just do away with our borders all together. Lets be one one world, one people. Do what feels good.

Every time I go to Canada, I have to show ID. If you are stopped for speeding, an ID...buy beer ID, apply for any kind of benefits ID. Lets get rid of it all. People should not be offended. My goodness. tsk tsk

Why should the border patrol put themselves in harms way day after day. Hey, lets have a truly free country. The citizens of this country are honored to pay for emergency room treatment for all the illegal invaders. I am thrilled to death that women come over here to have their children so that child can be an American citizen. And I am not even comenting on the crime.

Why are we upset. Be happy.

yes, we show ID but I show my drivers license and never get asked if I am a resident, visiting, citizen despite using an international drivers license and not being Canadian - not once have they asked for my visitors visa, my immigration papers etc.

How often have you been asked for ID because of your appearance?

Farley, just curious - what decade did you grow up in? People tend to have a very rosy view of whatever their growing up period was. Believe me, even the Eisenhower years had their downside

Let's just look at it honestly. I've given it some thought as if I were still a Deputy Sheriff. This law requires officers to establish proper ID when making contact with anyone they "suspect of being an illegal immigrant".

A white male teen, displaying what (may) be gang affiliated tattoos, out at 10 p.m., driving without a license (a violation, not even a misdemeanor). Says he left his wallet at home.

A Hispanic male teen, driving home from 2nd shift at Perdue farms, driving without a license (a violations, not even a misdemeanor). Says he left his wallet at home.

Who would I "suspect of being an illegal immigrant", and why? It's profiling, no matter what level you wish to put it on.

OK, I am going to go out on a limb here. How many of you have actually been surrounded by a bunch of illegals?
There are literally thousands of them in NC, and I have dealt with many of them. When we were running a small tattoo shop off of I-95, they would come in in droves. While some of them were very nice, seemingly respectable folks, most of them were stinking, arrogant, thieving jerks, even toward their own people. There were a few guys that rode in with big dually pickup trucks, wads of cash, and mainly treated the other ones like dogs. None of them ever spent any money. Drugs became currency in the small town of 4500, raised to over 10,000 just by mostly illegal immigrants. Most of the young girls were pregnant or had recently given birth. They expected us to learn to speak their language. I walked around with a gun on my hip to keep them from walking off with the whole place. I went to the bathroom once, came out and caught some of them stealing stuff right off the walls. We refused to sell them equipment or inks, they broke out the plate glass windows and were cut badly trying to break in the shop. During the breakin, one of them dropped a stolen .357 Magnum. The only way they were caught was I spotted 2 of them all bandaged up in Wal Mart and recognized them as the ones that were stealing out of the shop.
Now I drive them in my cab. They act like they don't speak English, but they seem to know it ok when trying to hit on the local women. Most owners refuse to drive them, but the shift drivers have very little choice in who we drive. I have had one of them grab me around the throat when I turned him down. I had to break his finger to make him let go. They are the biggest problem for most of the drivers. They will not even dispatch female drivers to a whole road because they snatched a girl from another company out of her cab and tore her clothes. Do we really want these people in our country, no matter how cheaply they work?
They are crippling our healthcare system with their anchor babies, and mothers on medicaid. There are American citizens that have worked and paid taxes all their lives that cannot get the help they need because they lost their health insurance with their jobs. In all likelihood, I will be dead in 5 years, possibly less if I cannot get the treatment I need, and I have been turned down again and again.
I am not saying that there are no good Hispanic people, or Mexican people. I know many personally that are lovely, fine, upstanding people, that I am proud to call my friends. These are also not the ones sneaking over the border.
I apologize if I have offended any of our members, especially those of Hispanic or Mexican descent. That was certainly not my intent. I am just offering another viewpoint.

I understand what you're saying KK, and believe it or not, it's not the illegal immigrants that have me concerned in the least.

Arizona has millions, and I mean literally millions, of US born citizens of Hispanic lineage. They don't have green cards to be required to carry, the one's that don't drive don't even have reason to have a driver's license. If one of them stands on a corner waiting for a cab on the same corner where they had a drug deal a week ago, there is a high likelihood they'll be "investigated". If they are out late at night for whatever reason, same again. Like it or not, the basis that officers are going to use to determine who to "suspect to be an illegal immigrant" is going to be race, pretty much cut and dried. They will NOT be looking for illegal Russian mobsters, the Yakuza, or the Camorra.

From what I have heard, the police have to have "probable cause" to stop someone. Not because they look like an illegal, but are acting in a suspicious manner.

This is a different world now. I have no problem with profiling. The world has gone mad. Everyone and his uncle is "offended" at every little thing.

We have laws for a reason. The illegal invaders are breaking them. Good for Arizona for taking their protection into their own hands. If there was a fund for Arizona, I'd contribute.

Here you say you "have never once been asked for proof of citizenship anywhere".

Everyone, I mean all of us; red, yellow, black, white and brown should be required to prove citizenship when detained by law enforcement, then there would be no problem. Make it equal for all and then no one can be accused of racial profiling.

I don't understand, first you say it has never happened to you and then you say it has. Unless you are talking about two different things. Color me confused.

As far as Carolina, it happened to her in an airport, I think we know that ALL bets are off in airports, right? My 86 year old mother gets stopped and searched every time she flies because of an artificial hip. It doesn't offend her at all.

I think Eric Holder needs to read the Bill before he opens his mouth and inserts his big foot. Because that is a blatant lie and he is a liar.

racial profiling and being asked for proof of citizenship are not the same thing

I don't know that I would offer existing illegals a path to become citizens, but we do have a guest worker program in place and it needs to be enforced.
http://www.doleta.gov/Business/gw/guestwkr/

I'd like to see authorities crack down HARD on any company or institution which validates the presence of ilegal aliens, not just the companies that hire them. I find it inexcusable that banks not only loaned money to individuals without social security numbers, they pro-actively wooed them as mortgage customers.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=17597739

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/news...ants/index.htm

Considering the hoops I have to jump through with my bank on behalf of my small business for the smallest thing (like setting up a measly $5000 ODP) thanks to the "Homeland Security Act" this is something I find inexplicable.

You read it correctly, but the unfortunate thing isn't that they know HIM to be legal surrounded by illegals, but rather he is from a Spanish-speaking Central American country (which, by definition, makes him Hispanic), and looks similar to those who are actually being targeted.

I truly believe he is being pulled over or stopped based on racial profiling, rather than suspicion of any wrong-doing. And this is happening in Wisconsin, btw.

I completely agree!!! If the Arizona laws simply said "confirm citizenship of anyone with whom official contact is made...", then it's all good.

You know, a whole lot of people who have no fear of being profiled have no problem with profiling. But one little snippet to think about...making profiling legal is setting a precedent, a precedent that someday, just maybe, may come back to haunt you.

Imagine being profiled as "inferior" because you don't have the proper hair color, or eyes...it's happened before.

We are profiled every day. If you are not hiding something, no big deal. I am sorry, but I just can't get upset over profiling. If it keeps this a safer country, where is the problem?

If someone who looks like me robs a bank, and I am stopped because I fit the description, so what?

Look at the fall of Russia. It became an enclave of small little countries with no common goal. There was nothing holding it together. No commonality. No working for the greater good of the country...you don't see this happening here?

America is a 200 year old experiment that is beginning to crumble. My great grandparents came here. And in order to live here, they had to sign papers that they would not be a burden on the system. That they would pay their own way. That someone was sponsoring them. Actually, not too different than Mexico requires of immigints now. And the president of Mexico has the gaul to chastize Arizona...

It is now a free for all. I was born in 1952, so I was not old enough to know much about the Eisenhauer years. My political awakenings started about the Nixon era.

I have never seen this country so divided. That is why the mid terms are so important. And that is why Obama wants to penalize Arizona. He needs the hispanic votes to keep the congress and senate full of democrats. If that happens, I will be taking down my flag. Good bye America, nice knowing you. Sorry founding fathers.

No, WE are not profiled everyday. People who don't fit "the preferred look" are profiled everyday. Your example is a specific description for a specific suspect in a specific crime. Arizona's new law will result in the repeated detention and interrogation of millions of legal residents and citizens for no other reason than "they look like them..." There is a vast difference there. And if making the country safe means making less of it, then it's already lost.

I'm not sure the founding fathers would have accepted such an apology. I believe they would have looked upon striking the flag because the majority of government was their own political counterparts as being downright ludicrous.

I believe we are profiled every day, we may not know it. There are cameras everywhere. If you fly at all, be prepared to be profiled at the airport. You don't actually have to come into physical contact with authorities. Believe me, you are being watched. If you fit the criteria they are looking for, you will be watched closer. Lets hope by this, we are safer than we were nine years ago.

Our founding fathers were in favor of limited government. Less intrusive than today, certainly.

When Obama was sworn in, he took an oath to uphold the laws of this country, not undermine them. But, it seems he has trouble with the Constitution anyway.

The hope of the drafters of the Constitution has been thrown to the ground. I am sure they are spinning in their graves.

I sure find it interesting that those who normally oppose the "slippery slope" argument by those on the right are now all over this law with "slippery slope" arguments.

That depends on where you go. If you're white and go into a predominantly black area, the police immediately suspect you may be up to no good, and you are much more likely to get pulled over for a minor traffic violation that flagrant violators around you.

And, that, friends, is racial profiling. Otherwise known as good police work.

Again, that would be a specific instance. Now, if every white person walking past a cemetery during a military funeral was stopped and questioned because they "look" like members of Westboro Baptist church, or if every white person wanting to attend a Harlem Globetrotters basketball game were subjected to questioning because they "look" like KKK members...how would that sit?

I used to be a cop, I know what cops do. I've done what cops do. Your stance appears to be their actions will be "only when..." and "if it's obvious...".

So, what is the obvious difference between an illegal day laborer and and unemployed Hispanic citizen looking for work? What is the obvious difference between Hispanics born in Arizona, New Mexico, Mexico, Columbia or Bolivia?

In short, why would a cop suspect someone of being illegal?

Then let Arizona watch. No problems there. So, what's the visible difference between a Hispanic, US born citizen and an illegal Bolivian immigrant?

Really? What's he done so far that's unconstitutional? Even though Obama has practically nothing to do with Arizona's lawmaking, I honestly believe that Arizona provoking Hispanic voters will carry lots further in elections than anything Obama could do.

Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago - I suspect he has some grasp of the US Constitution.

I've been around a bit longer than that some of our posters - I was in college during the Nixon years. Believe me, compared to the 60s and 70's, we're not so divided. And even back then, older folks pointed out how hated Roosevelt was, speaking of a divided country. And, of course, the Revolutionary Period was somewhat divisive. And that little era we call the Civil War - hoo boy!

And, hey, if Arizona is requiring citizenship papers from everyone it's stopping as a normal course of police work (and I mean everyone!), I'm good with that too.

It's really a shame that history isn't a more valued study in this country. If nothing else, it can provide a little perspective.

I agree

Back in the '30s, the mass mood of the day prevented the son of immigrants from being elected to the California State Assemby - he was a Socialist Threat, after all - he is JEWISH, and the son of RUSSIAN IMMIGRANTS .....

Today - at 100 years of age, he is the oldest practicing attorney in CA and has pioneered laws involving the use of geothermal energy and for tidal lands.
http://calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/ca...op%20Headlines

So, it seems that this latest wave of hysteria about Mexicans, is, once again, same horse, different color