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I feel like Jake hates me now - vent..

post #1 of 16
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In between forcing him into a carrier to take him to the vet, brushing him and clipping his claws/putting on softpaws- I am sure he despises me now He even sorta avoids me..If he thinks I have that serious look like I'm about to pick him up for something he runs away..Somehow he can tell by my body language if I'm going to pick him up to take him somewhere/clip claws or if I'm just going over there to pet him or play so he knows the difference..
He hissed at me today while I brushed him several times. The only place I can brush him is his mane- he loved being brushed there, and sometimes his back but not for long. On his belly - it's completely out of the question and on his sides, he will let me do one or two brushes before he starts to hiss and attack the furminator comb...
I feel so guilty, I want my lovebug to be the same but now he hates me I can tell he's still stressed from the vet visit. He's nervous I might take him somewhere again..
I got the feeling like the whole time we were away from home to see the vet, he thought he would never get to come back home. I just saw this fear and helplessness in him that I never want to see, ever I feel like since I've given him a home and it's my job to never let that happen for him to feel this way, so I felt like I failed at ensuring his happiness there It made me sooo sad. And when we came home it was like he was instantly relieved and started purring...
Oh gosh I wish I didn't have to do all those things he hates....
I am probably overreacting but all of a sudden I am really sad. I guess I've never really had to take him to the vet before in his adult life, and now that he can show me how he feels and can communicate with me better than when he was just 8 weeks old, it really got to me how terrible the whole experience was for him.
And I was petting him earlier and he did not purr, and then my dad came over and as soon as he laid his hand on Jake he was purring loudly..
post #2 of 16
My Chester Cheetah has his moments too. Especially after I brush him, or should I say attempt to brush him. He will hide from me for hours then at bedtime he forgives me and cuddles up purring in bed. He will get over his rough day and be his old self again soon. Just give him some space. Cats have very sensitive little souls and can get their feelings hurt or get embarrassed as much as my 2 year old daughter does, if not more.
post #3 of 16
He will get over it, a vet visit can be stressful but mine are usually back to their usualy bad selves within a week
post #4 of 16
Don't worry, he'll get over it. Reach for him lots and lots, so he knows that not every time you reach for him means you are going to do something to him.

Cats can adjust to most anything. Tolly takes medicine four times a day, and has for years, in the early months I had such anxiety every time it was medication time, but we adjusted.

When Ootay first got sick, and had to be taking all the meds and getting sub q, she avoided me too, but after a few weeks she adjusted to the routine and no longer avoided me.

It will be okay. Use treats for incentive during and after brushing.

And...there's always feliway plug in diffusers!
post #5 of 16
The first time I took Holland to the vet right after her adoption and she had to get shots, the vet tech warned me that she would hide under the bed all night. Not that I didn't already KNOW that since she spent most of her first 3 days in my house under the bed. When she had to have her dental procedure, they also said she'd probably hide all night, but once I let her out of the carrier, she went under my bed for a total of about 15 minutes.

She hates to be brushed, thank goodness she's a short hair, so I try to get her about once a week, in a few different sessions since she won't sit still long. I'm really surprised at how quickly she got used to having her nails trimmed, though. I used to have to hold her in my mouth by her scruff because it was the only way I could have both my hands free. Now she lets me hold her like a football and doesn't even put up much of a fuss.

She also turns into a sulky kitty whenever she sees me pull out my overnight bag, because she KNOWS it means she's going to be alone for the night. Talk about being snubbed, after I pack and try to give her kisses goodbye she just looks at me and turns her head away "I want nothing to do with you right now, mommy."

I know you were just venting, and I know you know Jake will be back to his old self soon, but it's nice to have some reassurance.
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by ut0pia View Post
He hissed at me today while I brushed him several times. The only place I can brush him is his mane- he loved being brushed there, and sometimes his back but not for long. On his belly - it's completely out of the question and on his sides, he will let me do one or two brushes before he starts to hiss and attack the furminator comb..
Is he always picky about being brushed? And do you use a detangling comb before trying to use the furminator? If not, you could hit small tangles and it would hurt (think about trying to drag a brush through your hair when it's tangled).

My Sherman hates being brushed, too, but for him it's because I got him as a ~2 year intact tom that had likely never been so much as combed before. He doesn't like certain areas touched, let alone brushed. But I can usually get a detangling comb through those areas.
I've never used a furminator on any of my cats bellies, seems like a bad idea if you accidentally hit a nipple. Other places like under the front legs and on the back legs can be sensitive spots, too, that may be getting irritated by the furnimator. It even warns of this on the package. This could very well be why he doesn't like you grooming him.

Ironically the one thing Sherman doesn't mind me brushing him with at all... my hair brush (squishy paddle brush).

Otherwise, just give him time for the rest. Most of mine have pretty short memories for this stuff and are bugging me for a meal within 10-15 minutes of me letting them out of their carriers when they get home.
post #7 of 16
Ella gets upset pretty easily. If we've been gone a couple of days, she may even run and hide from us. She gets over it in a few hours, usually.

Like people, cats revert to the norm, generally in a pretty short time.
post #8 of 16
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Thanks everyone I am glad to hear other kitties have gotten over this...I think he is already a little better. He woke me up at 6 am asking to go outside again There was a bunny and a squirrel close to the door so he was just going crazy and begging me to let him go see them..

As far as combing him, I do have a comb and I usually go very gently and slowly with the furminator. But, even if I just comb him with the regular comb, I still get the same kind of resistance- I'm only allowed to comb his mane..
post #9 of 16
Mazy doesn't allow any grooming by me at all, ever, in spite of all the gentle training I have tried to do over the years.

Somwtimes when she sees Tolly and Jennie enjoying their grooming time she will come over, as if to give it another try.

I allow her to sniff the tool, and she will even rub her face against the tines, but if ever I try to purposely use it on her, she lifts her paw in warning, then runs away.

She has medium length fur, I guess I should call it short-hair, though it is longer than Jennie's. Since Mazy will not allow grooming, she does have some trouble with hair balls and gets dosed with hair ball remedies more often than the other two.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by ut0pia View Post
As far as combing him, I do have a comb and I usually go very gently and slowly with the furminator. But, even if I just comb him with the regular comb, I still get the same kind of resistance- I'm only allowed to comb his mane..
So he's just a fussy boy? Is he dramatic over other things? Sherman and Blaan are a little like this, making a bigger fuss out of things that the other cats just short shrug off.
All I can say it try gentle tools as much a possible to work him into accepting more.


All of my DSHs love brushing. Usually I'll start out trying to brush one cat and end up with 4 or 5 more of them (not so patiently) waiting behind me for their turns.
post #11 of 16
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I had given up on grooming Jake too, but it's spring now and he's shedding like never before so I really need to.
Fussy is exactly what he is!! Generally he doesn't like being touched a whole lot. If he wants love, he will rub his head on my feet or somewhere and then I have to go up to him, sit on the floor and pet him there. He won't tolerate me picking him up and putting him next to me...I don't know why, maybe he lacks some socialization he would have gotten from his mom since he was separated from her at 4 weeks old. Otherwise he doesn't mind being carried or picked up...
But as far as brushing goes he acts as though i'm cutting him- the screaming/meowing and attacking of the comb/brush/furminator. I worry sometimes that the neighbors will hear him and report me for animal abuse thinking I'm doing something brutal to him ..I always stop before it gets to that point though, but I've had a few times when he has done this.
post #12 of 16
Tell your neighbors that they should rather report Jake for human abuse.

I don't know that his behavior is because he was taken from his mother so young. I've had ones taken away young that ended up clingy, as do others on here. I think it may just be Jake's personality - but there could be some under socialization there if he wasn't exposed to a lot of people as a young kitten. In which case, vet visits would really shake him up.

Only my semi feral Boo will stay off of me. All of my other cats will follow me around, lay on me, hound me.. I currently have one in my lap, one at my feet, and one on the back of my chair. A little space would be nice.
post #13 of 16
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Lol I wish Jake wouldn't leave me alone.. He likes to be alone mostly, during the day if I am in my bedroom he is relaxing on top of the kitchen table where the vent for the AC/heat is..he doesn't really seek company unless he wants something from me- to open the door so he can go out and watch birds, food, etc...If he comes into my bedroom it's usually in order to find a toy
The only time I get love from him is when I come home from somewhere and he usually greets me and lies down in front of me demanding to be pet.
I usually go up to him and cuddle him every 30 minutes or so though- and as far as I can tell he enjoys that.
He didn't really see any people until he was 4 weeks old- a "friend" of mine "rescued" his mom who was a stray, but then when she gave birth they decided to get rid of her, but of course when she gave birth once - Jake's litter they only dumped the kittens at the shelter (Jake's brothers and sisters) and when she gave birth again then they decided to get rid of her as well Anyway until 4 weeks old the kittens were raised in a basement without even any light coming in nor any people.
post #14 of 16
Hi Utopia, I don't know old Jake is, but he sounds just like my Shadow.
I got Salem (brother) and Shadow (sister) at approx 8 wks old. They deffo weren't socialised. I'm not kidding when I say that Shadow earned her name...I spent most of the first 6 months on my hands & knees checking where Shadow had hidden herself so I knew which room to move slowly through & to give her space.

I used to sit in the kitchen at the farthest point from their beds just reading my book. They cowered in the corner and even moving my hand to scratch an itch had them alert to run for cover!

I thought I'd NEVER get to pet Shadow...gave her oodles of space and time and now she'll come to me when she's comfortable...and LOVES pets - on her own terms of course!

The first trip to the vet - I'm serious - took 4 hours to round her up and get her into the cage. Then 4 weeks cooped in a small toilet (vet said it'd help recovery if she ws in a small room & away from her inquisitive brother)..I thought she'd never forgive me. BUT each time we return from the vet, she takes less time to get over the ordeal - so that now, 3 yrs on, about 5 mins outta their cages they are back to normal and scrounging for treats.

One Tip: I try keep my bedroom a 'safe' space - so while I may corner her to give her flea/worm treatments in the kitchen or even pounce on her when she's asleep on the sofa - I won't do anything like that in the bedroom. One day, I'd spent 20 minutes chasing her around the kitchen trying to catch her for her monthly treatment, but I ws so stressed I gave up. But 2 mins later I was in the bedroom and she came looking for pets, it was such a surprise & sooo cute! I realise she figured the bedroom was safe territory so I've kept it as such ever since.

Sorry for long post, but hope u are rewarded just like I was for patience and perseverance. People told me she'd never sit on my knees or want cuddles if she hadn't been socialised, but every day she surprises me with new 'closer' behaviours.

Keep at it!
post #15 of 16
4 weeks is too young for that to have had that much affect on Jake. At that age the only thing that really works well on them is their nose. Some still need help peeing and pooping, are likely to fall face first into their food dish, can't see very far, etc.
I meant did he not have a lot of socialization from 8 weeks and on? I don't have a lot of different people coming and going in my house, for example, and it makes for some cats that don't trust strangers if raised from kittens with me. Where as the cats I've acquired as adult cats will come out to bug strangers. Sherman especially - I rather wish that he wouldn't try to strike up a conversation with every single person that comes on my front porch (whether the windows are open or not).

There's nothing wrong with not being super socialized with lots of people. It just makes for some touchy cats concerning meeting new people. The rest of it just sounds like Jake. As far as I know you've never done anything to make him not behave as affectionately as other cats. Maybe as he fully gets out of his kitten stage he'll have more time for you.

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Originally Posted by salsero71 View Post
I got Salem (brother) and Shadow (sister) at approx 8 wks old. They deffo weren't socialised. I'm not kidding when I say that Shadow earned her name...I spent most of the first 6 months on my hands & knees checking where Shadow had hidden herself so I knew which room to move slowly through & to give her space.

I used to sit in the kitchen at the farthest point from their beds just reading my book. They cowered in the corner and even moving my hand to scratch an itch had them alert to run for cover!
Since they were feral, or very near to it, you should have kept them in a bathroom or a large cage in your bedroom for the first few weeks. It makes it a lot easier. I have 3 here that where completely feral at ~7 weeks old. I started letting them out into the room their cage was in when I was in there after a few weeks, and completely running free in the house at 13 weeks (had to make sure they were big enough that it was safe for them). They still ran to hide a little at that point, but would come when called.
One of them is still very shy, but I often get her bounding up to me for no reason and flopping on my feet or I'll wake up to her snuggling me. The other two are normal kittens.
I've tamed other, older, feral kittens in the past by the same method. It's honestly harder once they're passed 12wks to get their trust but once you have it the rest follows.
post #16 of 16
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After 8 weeks old he was with me most of the time, except when I'm at my classes which is sometimes like 5 hours that I've been away from home and he has been alone.And there aren't any people coming in, but he is not scared of people at all since when people do come in he goes up to them to see who they are immediately and starts smelling them intensely.
My boyfriend says I give him too much attention and that's why he just wants to be left alone sometimes..he says just because he knows that even if he doesn't seek attention I will go up to him anyway, lol so he doesn't see an incentive to come up to me.
Before he was 16 weeks old he used to sleep on my bed the whole night, then he started sleeping on his cat tree which is right next to my bed, and eventually moved to sleeping downstairs on the couch.
Though I like to close my bedroom door so that could be a reason. Sometimes he comes and takes naps on my bed if I'm taking a nap also.
He's just really independent and wants to do cat stuff all the time, like watch the birds, squirrels and rabbits and then beg me to open the door, playing with his catnip stuffed mice as if they are real prey, stuff like that. It's all he cares about It's actually really funny because he always has that look on his face, like "I've got a big job to do today" It's almost like when he does enjoy being pet, it's only because his instincts dictates it, but his free will is saying "i have to attack" So sometimes he is purring and clearly enjoying being pet, but after a few seconds starts bunny kicking and playing "fight"
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