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Foes of tea party movement to infiltrate rallies

post #1 of 60
4/13/10 at 9:48pm
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/...party_crashers

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By VALERIE BAUMAN, Associated Press Writer Valerie Bauman, Associated Press Writer – Mon Apr 12, 6:30 pm ET
ALBANY, N.Y. – Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.

Jason Levin, creator of http://www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders in major cities across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15 — tax filing day, when tea party groups across the country are planning to gather and protest high taxes.

Levin says they want to exaggerate the group's least appealing qualities, further distance the tea party from mainstream America and damage the public's opinion of them.

"Do I think every member of the tea party is a homophobe, racist or a moron? No, absolutely not," Levin said. "Do I think most of them are homophobes, racists or morons? Absolutely
The Left, in all its' glory.
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post #2 of 60
4/13/10 at 11:47pm
OMG...they'll probably dress up like prostitutes, pimps, telephone workers and everything. They might even carry hidden cameras and microphones and edit the audio to make it sound like all sorts of hideous stuff. Who could have ever thought of such a tactic.
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post #3 of 60
4/14/10 at 12:30am
I find the whole thing quite amusing. Political hypocrisy at its finest.

It's always funny when one moron accuses others of being morons, from the moron calling most of the people in the TEA party morons to the morons in the current and previous adminstrations and Congress continuing to run the country into the ground.

Where's Alan Funt when you need him?
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post #4 of 60
4/14/10 at 1:16am
I think I see a little difference between letting ACORN hang itself with its own words and trying to claim you ARE ACORN. Imagine going in front of a TV camera at an ACORN rally, claiming to be a spokesman for the group, and saying that you are against any Republicans voting and that your sole object is getting Obama elected.

Oh, wait...ACORN's spokesman DID say that!

How about wearing an Aztlan shirt to a Democratic rally?

Of course, I suspect this tactic is nothing new. In fact, I'm sure it isn't, and it's been practiced for quite a while.
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post #5 of 60
4/14/10 at 5:43am
On the day that the Coffee Party was formed, there were Tea Party people all over the place infiltrating their movement. Without even knowing what it was all about, it was being accused of things that were counter to the founding principles of that group. It works both ways.

I respect grass root movements and believe any subversive activities against them is wrong. But I also think that there isn't a need for anyone to try to make the Tea Party looks bad - the media is doing a pretty good job at pointing out the radicals that are part of that group. I feel bad for the honest people that are trying to keep it as a grass level movement.
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post #6 of 60
4/14/10 at 8:03am
Let's see, we have a prominent Republican politician who has associated herself with the TP movement using crosshairs to identify elected Democrats and urging the populace to "reload," and two death threats against Democratic politicians because someone didn't like how they voted.

The Tea Party doesn't NEED to be infiltrated by anyone except maybe the FBI.
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post #7 of 60
4/14/10 at 8:30am
I don't pay much attention to the TEA Party, but the braindead heathens in Washington wouldn't be worried about infiltrating the TEA Party movement if they didn't begin to feel threatened about the possibility of losing seats come November.
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post #8 of 60
4/14/10 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
On the day that the Coffee Party was formed, there were Tea Party people all over the place infiltrating their movement. Without even knowing what it was all about, it was being accused of things that were counter to the founding principles of that group. It works both ways.

I respect grass root movements and believe any subversive activities against them is wrong. But I also think that there isn't a need for anyone to try to make the Tea Party looks bad - the media is doing a pretty good job at pointing out the radicals that are part of that group. I feel bad for the honest people that are trying to keep it as a grass level movement.
What is the "Coffee Party"? And do you have any kind of link regarding Tea Party people "infiltrating"? What exactly was that "infiltrating" alleged to consist of? You are making a statement with no explanation whatsoever. A bit more background would be nice.

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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
Let's see, we have a prominent Republican politician who has associated herself with the TP movement using crosshairs to identify elected Democrats and urging the populace to "reload," and two death threats against Democratic politicians because someone didn't like how they voted.

The Tea Party doesn't NEED to be infiltrated by anyone except maybe the FBI.


So, the FBI should "infiltrate" a non-violent group exercising their American right to peacefully assemble and protest the government. Interesting that you want to throw the Constitution out the window.

I guess we better outlaw the term "battleground states" that Democrats and Republican's alike use. I guess we should outlaw the saying, "I've got you in my cross hairs" The left and most of the media are trying their hardest to portray the Tea Party Movement as racist and violent and it isn't true. Their rally's have been peaceful and clean unlike left wing rally's.
Want to look at some pictures of a left wing rally that ocurred on March 20th of THIS year - 3-1/2 weeks ago - in L.A.? Here I'll post a link, check out the pictures, I will warn you there are some pretty offensive signs. Interesting that it wasn't reported by the media, but very typical.

***Warning - offensive language on left-wing rally signs***
The first pictures were taken at the Showdown in Searchlight Tea Party Rally on March 27th, 2010 that I attended.

After the Searchlight pictures are pictures from the left-wing rally March 20th

http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/...inglepage=true

Please let me know your reaction.



Politicians receive death threats on a regular basis, Republican and Democrat. The Tea Party people have nothing to do with any death threats but it's interesting that many on the left tries to spin it that way.

Here is a link to some left wing rally pictures during President Bush's time in office. Of course those of us on the right didn't whine and cry about it like many on the left are doing about soooooo much less.
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
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post #9 of 60
4/14/10 at 1:26pm
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One other little tidbit of news.

Last Friday night in New Orleans, there was a fundraiser for the Louisiana Republican Party. It was vigorously protested by an unruly crowd of left-wingers.

Governor Bobby Jindal attended as did his Chief Campaign FundRaiser, a young woman by the name of Allee Bautsch and her boyfriend.

When Ms Bautsch and her boyfriend left the fund raiser they were walking to their car, reports say 100 yards from the restaurant where the fund raiser was held, they were brutally attacked and beaten by a group of white men. Ms Bautsch suffered a broke leg, her boyfriend suffered a broken nose, broke jaw and concussion.
They were not mugged, robbery was not the cause.
Police are investigating.

P.S. Bet no one has heard this on the news. Chances are you won't.
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post #10 of 60
4/14/10 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Here I'll post a link, check out the pictures, I will warn you there are some pretty offensive signs. Interesting that it wasn't reported by the media, but very typical.

***Warning - offensive language on left-wing rally signs***
The first pictures were taken at the Showdown in Searchlight Tea Party Rally on March 27th, 2010 that I attended.

After the Searchlight pictures are pictures from the left-wing rally March 20th

http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/...inglepage=true

Please let me know your reaction. [/b][/color]
My reaction is that "pajamasmedia" (which I had never heard of until this post) is not something I would consider a reliable source of information. I note from the wikpedia entry that "pajamasmedia" actually hired "Joe the Plumber" as a war correspondent last year. I think that says it all.
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post #11 of 60
4/14/10 at 1:46pm
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So, you are saying the pictures are fabricated, interesting way to dismiss the ugliness of some on the left.
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post #12 of 60
4/14/10 at 2:05pm
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http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20100320

More offensive, jew hating, pictures from the same left-wing rally in Los Angeles on March 20th, 2010.

But I'm sure these will be classified as fake also since they didn't come from MSNBC or the Huffington Post.
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post #13 of 60
4/14/10 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
Let's see, we have a prominent Republican politician who has associated herself with the TP movement using crosshairs to identify elected Democrats and urging the populace to "reload," and two death threats against Democratic politicians because someone didn't like how they voted.
The first was a metaphor, saying that those Democrats' districts were in the crosshairs of an effort to unseat them. And you didn't hear about the death threats against the Republicans, did you? I wonder why?
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post #14 of 60
4/14/10 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
One other little tidbit of news.

Last Friday night in New Orleans, there was a fundraiser for the Louisiana Republican Party. It was vigorously protested by an unruly crowd of left-wingers.

Governor Bobby Jindal attended as did his Chief Campaign FundRaiser, a young woman by the name of Allee Bautsch and her boyfriend.

When Ms Bautsch and her boyfriend left the fund raiser they were walking to their car, reports say 100 yards from the restaurant where the fund raiser was held, they were brutally attacked and beaten by a group of white men. Ms Bautsch suffered a broke leg, her boyfriend suffered a broken nose, broke jaw and concussion.
They were not mugged, robbery was not the cause.
Police are investigating.

P.S. Bet no one has heard this on the news. Chances are you won't.
I looked up to see what I could find. The attackers deserve jail time. And it's a good thing they were not armed - they aren't playing with a full deck.

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
So, you are saying the pictures are fabricated, interesting way to dismiss the ugliness of some on the left.
Where did I say they were fabricated?
What I'm saying is that it is easy to get real pictures of decent people on the Right exercising their right to free speech as well as decent people on the Left exercising their right to free speech, along with potty mouths and nutjobs on both sides. However, when a source of "information" (and I use the term loosely in connection with the PJs site) chooses the pictures using this method
Right -
Left -
they do not seem reliable to me as a news source.Add to that the additional info I foudn on them and I'll take it with several grains of salt.

Furthermore I hold elected politicians to a higher standard than I do ordinary citizens. It's one thing for an ordinary citizen to use language that encourages violence, it's quite another for someone who is looked to as a leader to do so.
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When Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele demands that Pelosi get "ready for the firing line," the GOP base gets the message. When Sarah Palin's Facebook page shows 20 gun sights over Democratic lawmakers, some of whom are colored in red, the GOP base gets the message.

And now we're seeing the results of Republicans' irresponsibility.

The most farcical angle to this? The lunatics committing these crimes don't even know what they're so upset about. The things they think they hate about health care reform aren't real. They're lashing out violently to protest a law they don't understand. Ironically, many of these same people and their families stand to benefit as a result of reform.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._03/023043.php

Maybe this is why prominent Bay State GOP stayed the heck away from the TP rally in Boston.
http://boston.com/bostonglobe/editor...ows_for_palin/

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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
The first was a metaphor, saying that those Democrats' districts were in the crosshairs of an effort to unseat them. And you didn't hear about the death threats against the Republicans, did you? I wonder why?
Yes I have. What I have not heard was violent rhetoric from prominent Democrats egging nutcases on to commit or threaten acts of violence. If I missed it perhaps you can point it out to me?
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post #15 of 60
4/14/10 at 2:33pm
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Just to be clear here, my point in posting the link to the offensive pictures from the left-wing rally in L.A. was NOT that all left-wing people are hateful, not in the least.

My point is to show what a ACTUAL group of racists and haters REALLY is.
Racists against Jewish People, haters of our military, 9-11 truthers, etc.

You won't find that kind of stuff at Tea Party Rally's, I can assure you.
The most inappropriate sign I have seen is a sign of Barack dressed up like an African witch doctor, which was tacky.

So, people can go right ahead and trash the Tea Party movement for protesting the massive spending and bail outs this administration, at least Tea Party people aren't advocating killing and genocide life the leftists were in L.A.
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post #16 of 60
4/14/10 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
I looked up to see what I could find. The attackers deserve jail time. And it's a good thing they were not armed - they aren't playing with a full deck.


Where did I say they were fabricated?
What I'm saying is that it is easy to get real pictures of decent people on the Right exercising their right to free speech as well as decent people on the Left exercising their right to free speech, along with potty mouths and nutjobs on both sides. However, when a source of "information" (and I use the term loosely in connection with the PJs site) chooses the pictures using this method
Right -
Left -

I realize people on the left don't seem to like it much that the right is starting to turn the table on them. We have gotten tired of the accusations of violence and racism. It's to bad that the left has to recognize that they have some pretty bad people in their midst.

It gets old when the media and even democratic politicians like Pelosi and Reid accuse the Tea Party people of violence when they themselves told people to go out and "get in people's faces". It is hunky dory when Democrats protest but when the Right protests it is a different story.

Furthermore I hold elected politicians to a higher standard than I do ordinary citizens. It's one thing for an ordinary citizen to use language that encourages violence, it's quite another for someone who is looked to as a leader to do so.

Sarah Palin did not encourage violence, that statement is a blatant falsehood.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._03/023043.php

Maybe this is why prominent Bay State GOP stayed the heck away from the TP rally in Boston.
http://boston.com/bostonglobe/editor...ows_for_palin/


Yes I have. What I have not heard was violent rhetoric from prominent Democrats egging nutcases on to commit or threaten acts of violence. If I missed it perhaps you can point it out to me?
And you haven't seen it from the Republicans either no matter HOW many times you want to repeat liberal talking points, it doesn't make it true.
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post #17 of 60
4/14/10 at 3:41pm
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no matter HOW many times you want to repeat liberal talking points, it doesn't make it true.
I am not "repeating liberal talking points" I am stating my opinion.

I think there are too many loose nuts out there who don't need to be egged on. How common was it decades ago for schoolkids to bring weapons to school, jilted boyfriends to open fire in fitness centers and wannabe gun advocates to insist on wearing their pieces at public rallies? People seem to be less able to keep their emotions under control and act rationally and I can't see why any reasonable person would do anything to encourage violence as a solution and tip some of these nutjobs over the edge.

I will stop repeating myself though.
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post #18 of 60
4/14/10 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
I am not "repeating liberal talking points" I am stating my opinion.

I think there are too many loose nuts out there who don't need to be egged on. How common was it decades ago for schoolkids to bring weapons to school, jilted boyfriends to open fire in fitness centers and wannabe gun advocates to insist on wearing their pieces at public rallies? People seem to be less able to keep their emotions under control and act rationally and I can't see why any reasonable person would do anything to encourage violence as a solution and tip some of these nutjobs over the edge.

I will stop repeating myself though.
Yes, you should ask yourself what is going with society today that the above stuff happens more and more every day. Ask yourself why it is like that, what is wrong and let me know what you come up with.
I have my own thought on this.

And yes, it is liberal media talking points trying to make Palin's statment about "cross hairs" into "advocating violence." It's stupid and it is not true.

Politicians (BOTH parties) have used phrase such as "battleground states" and "in the cross hairs"
for years, now all of sudden using those words is a call for violence. It's pathetic. It is media tripe.
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post #19 of 60
4/19/10 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
The first was a metaphor, saying that those Democrats' districts were in the crosshairs of an effort to unseat them. And you didn't hear about the death threats against the Republicans, did you? I wonder why?
Perhaps it was a metaphor, but don't you think it was somewhat irresponsible to say something like that when there are already a number of groups marching and demonstating about being able to carry openly their weapons? Some of whom are undoubtly more than willing to take that statement literally?
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post #20 of 60
4/19/10 at 12:28pm
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Yes, you should ask yourself what is going with society today that the above stuff happens more and more every day. Ask yourself why it is like that, what is wrong and let me know what you come up with.
I have my own thought on this..
You know what? I was listening to an old protest song from the 60s the other day that could just as easily have been talking about what's going on in the country right now. So my thoughts are that if your life is going good and you happen to like / agree with the party in power, you're silent. If you don't agree, you grab a sign and start protesting - It doesn't matter right or left. And you always have the politicians who see stirring up the malcontents as a good way to get themselves elected or re-elected.
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post #21 of 60
4/19/10 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Just to be clear here, my point in posting the link to the offensive pictures from the left-wing rally in L.A. was NOT that all left-wing people are hateful, not in the least.

My point is to show what a ACTUAL group of racists and haters REALLY is.
Racists against Jewish People, haters of our military, 9-11 truthers, etc.

You won't find that kind of stuff at Tea Party Rally's, I can assure you.
The most inappropriate sign I have seen is a sign of Barack dressed up like an African witch doctor, which was tacky.

So, people can go right ahead and trash the Tea Party movement for protesting the massive spending and bail outs this administration, at least Tea Party people aren't advocating killing and genocide life the leftists were in L.A.
That's the most offensive tea party sign you've seen?? You haven't seen many picture then. I guess it depends on which media source you're listening to - if its Fox you'll get the far right perspective and if its MSNBC you'll get the far left. A case can be made that there are whack jobs in both extremes, neither side are total saints and neither side are total villains. I have such a hard time seeing the world in terms of black or white, I guess I kind of envy those people who do. Life must be far less complicated
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post #22 of 60
4/19/10 at 12:44pm
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That's the most offensive tea party sign you've seen?? You haven't seen many picture then. I guess it depends on which media source you're listening to - if its Fox you'll get the far right perspective and if its MSNBC you'll get the far left. A case can be made that there are whack jobs in both extremes, neither side are total saints and neither side are total villains. I have such a hard time seeing the world in terms of black or white, I guess I kind of envy those people who do. Life must be far less complicated
I've actually ATTENDED a Tea Party, I think I know what I'm talking about better than people who haven't.
No, I have not seen as hateful of signs about Barack as I have seen about Bush, not by a long shot.
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post #23 of 60
4/19/10 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
Perhaps it was a metaphor, but don't you think it was somewhat irresponsible to say something like that when there are already a number of groups marching and demonstating about being able to carry openly their weapons? Some of whom are undoubtly more than willing to take that statement literally?
1. No, I don't, not in the least.

2. What "number of groups" would that be? I haven't heard about them.
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post #24 of 60
4/19/10 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
1. No, I don't, not in the least.

2. What "number of groups" would that be? I haven't heard about them.
It's several new groups, claiming that the NRA is "not acting forcefully enough". I read an article yesterday about them marching, under arms, on Washington. I'll try to find that article again...
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post #25 of 60
4/19/10 at 12:53pm
What a surprise, crazy left wingers infiltrating an event just as crazy right wingers do - it has more to do with those particular individuals than political persuasions
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post #26 of 60
4/19/10 at 1:20pm
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It's several new groups, claiming that the NRA is "not acting forcefully enough". I read an article yesterday about them marching, under arms, on Washington. I'll try to find that article again...
Here they are.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...atestheadlines
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post #27 of 60
4/19/10 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I've actually ATTENDED a Tea Party, I think I know what I'm talking about better than people who haven't.
No, I have not seen as hateful of signs about Barack as I have seen about Bush, not by a long shot.
I'm sure it depends on who shows up at which tea party.

Check out the first slide show of signs - some of which have absolutely nothing to do with taxes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_187554.html
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post #28 of 60
4/19/10 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
I'm sure it depends on who shows up at which tea party.

Check out the first slide show of signs - some of which have absolutely nothing to do with taxes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_187554.html
The tea party does not have any rules pertaining to off topic signs.

And you think those signs are bad? Seriously?
I wonder what you would say about the left-wing signs regarding Bush?

Did you see any "Kill Obama" signs? NO! Did you see any signs with Obama hanging in effigy with a noose around his neck? NO! Did you see any signs with a picture of Obama with a bullet hole in the middle of his forehead? NO!

I wonder what you would say about the left-wing signs regarding Bush? Good grief some moron wrote a book and had it published, titled How to Assassinate George Bush
You want to see some signs that ARE offensive
Warning, actual pictures of signs advocating the assassination of President Bush


http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/...inglepage=true compare the pictures.
tea party vs left-wing rally
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post #29 of 60
4/19/10 at 3:47pm
I seen plenty of signs showing Obama as Hitler however, some calling him a half-breed, etc - the thing with people who show up with signs like that at either side of the political spectrum is that generally they are nutcases and should be ignored and not given the attention they crave
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post #30 of 60
4/19/10 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
The tea party does not have any rules pertaining to off topic signs.

And you think those signs are bad? Seriously?
I wonder what you would say about the left-wing signs regarding Bush?

Did you see any "Kill Obama" signs? NO! Did you see any signs with Obama hanging in effigy with a noose around his neck? NO! Did you see any signs with a picture of Obama with a bullet hole in the middle of his forehead? NO!

I wonder what you would say about the left-wing signs regarding Bush? Good grief some moron wrote a book and had it published, titled How to Assassinate George Bush
You want to see some signs that ARE offensive
Warning, actual pictures of signs advocating the assassination of President Bush


http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/...inglepage=true compare the pictures.
tea party vs left-wing rally
Here we go again with "Pajamas Media."
If anyone is unaware of this trashy source of "information" (and I use the term "information" loosely in connection with this website) take a look at this video:
http://www.pjtv.com/v/3333?utm_sourc..._campaign=pjtv

Warning: foul language and insulting language is used to characterize liberal women in this video, if it offends you please do not watch it.
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