Republican Whiners - Page 5

Where have you been in since last Tuesday?! Surely even you've seen the vid of them yelling at the guy with parkinson's? I'm not an emotional person by any means, but that made me want to cry that people could be so cruel to someone that is their fellow American.

As for calling them that... I'd prefer saying crazy nutcase republicans. I'm not a democrat, either, by the way - or at least not with what they are in this country.

To this point, there has been no notable rules violations in this thread. It was merely removed from the active forum for a time to allow for a cooling off period, as it was becoming a bit intense.

Please remember that it is the day's issues that are being bandied about and rehashed, not the convictions and passions of the other poster. Even though this is IMO, TCS rules still apply. Posters are encouraged to conduct personal exchanges by Private Message instead of posting them publicly in the forums, but even in PM's please remain civil and respectful.

Rancor and animosity over political subjects can, and often does, long surpass the relevance of the subject politician. So please don't take it to that extreme.

Yes, I did see one video of a few people yelling (no one laid a finger on him) at another protestor who was disabled. I thought it was mean of them, although tempers were high Saturday at that Rally.

But that is one, lone instance. And I notice that it just happened to be caught on tape, how fortunate.
But the spitting and racial slurs that were alledged to have happened, just never happened to appear on tape, not even on security cameras inside the government building where it was purported to have happened.
How odd.

But, my point is, there have been "Tea Parties" all over this country for the last year, hundreds of Town Hall Meeting all over the country for months and I don't think I have heard of one single arrest.

You speak of vulgar names being called but it seems like calling the Tea Paty people "teabaggers" could be considered "vulgar" could it not?

A few people yelled at a guy that they should not have yelled at and now all Tea Party people should be considered nasty, rude and vulgar people? Isn't that painting with a very broad brush?

No broader than some here have used..
So you've see one video that you'll admit to, there's been others where the people say things just as bad. It's partially mob mentality at work, but that ideology is there to begin with.

And for the record, I came from a low income family. We weren't homeless but money was often very tight even when both parents were working. Maybe that's why I don't view people in that situation harshly as those who have never been there do.

Perhaps I misconstrued, I took the above to mean "homeless."

See above. Maybe it is just my take, as when people mention people eating at shelters and other people "choose not to see it", I assumed the game had changed and we were now discussing the homeless in America. My mistake, yes or no?

You know, you and Carolina are both taking my words totally wrong. I realize that people can lose their jobs through no fault of their own, I realize medical catastrophe's can happen that can wipe out people's finances very quickly. I am not talking about the people that, honestly want to work.

I am talking about the people that would not work if you handed them a job on a silver platter. There are many, MANY of those people in America.

I also, heartily, believe that people need to live within their means and always put money in savings every paycheck no matter how small the amount. I have seen to many people scream about health insurance and how they could not afford it, but they had TV's in every room, the entire family, including children, have cell phones, they wouldn't miss their annual vacation, they have nice, expensive cars, large credit card debt, you get the picture.

Those two groups are the groups I have no sympathy for and I make no apology for my lack of sympathy.

Cindy, we have our share of these people here in Canada and I agree with you 100%. I have no problem helping people who try to help themselves.

This is a bit of a tangent, from the idea of "people that would not work if you handed them a job on a job on a silver platter." Here's what I've come up with as a way to tell the people who are really just down on their luck from the handout-grabbers...

Set up farms with simple but adequate housing (including family cabins as well as dorms for single people), and free bus service to these farms. Anyone that says they need the help can move in, and anyone can move out any time they want to (although if they try to move back in very soon after moving out they have to explain what the heck happened). The idea would be for it to be as self-sustaining as possible, so there would be agriculture work involved, food preparation, maintenance on the buildings, maintenance on the machines, cleaning, and probably some child care; it would be communal, in a voluntary way, because everyone would get to use what was made (and ideally they would know how they helped make it, whether is was "I cooked the spaghetti sauce" or "I picked the tomatoes" or "I watched the rugrats so their parents could pick the tomatoes," so there would also be some pride involved, which would boost self-esteem and reduce waste).

The only rules to live and work there would be...no drugs, no alcohol or drunken stupidity on-site (those of age could drink off-site as long as they don't cause trouble when they come back), no reproducing while you still need help with basic living expenses (i.e. no sex or use birth control--pregnant ladies wouldn't be required to get an abortion), and everyone puts in a fair shift of work to keep the place up depending on their abilities and how much there is to do (kids and teenagers still in school would have an amount of work that would be like kids anywhere have for chores, and would have to keep their grades up to the best of their abilities; healthy adults would have an amount like a full workday).

So that people wouldn't get in and then get permanently stuck there, they could also take classes to improve their skills so they could find a good job and leave. General education, career training, and parenting/household skills classes would be offered, possibly in partnership with a local community college or trade school, for anyone to take during their downtime and work schedules would be flexed so that people could take the classes they needed or within reason wanted (wanting to take a specific class because it's easy, like basic math when they already know it = not reasonable; wanting a specific class because they're interested in the stuff and don't already know it = reasonable). This would inevitably involve bringing in some teachers from the outside, although some classes, like basic math, reading, ESL, GED prep, etc., could probably be taught or tutored by people who were there because they'd been laid off.

Undoubtedly everyone there would be eligible for Medicaid because they're there in the first place because they have little or no income. Someone could help them do the paperwork for that when they check in, so that they can see a doctor any time they need to. First aid would be available on-site from someone who did about the same things as a school nurse would--this person might also teach first aid classes.

Obviously you'd have to have the right people running it, for it to not become a corrupt mess, as with anything involving large numbers of people. But, done right, it could get a lot of people off the streets, taken care of, and on their way to having a good life.

You know ebrillblaiddes, in a better world than we live in, your ideas would be great. I've always thought that food stamps, Oregon Trail card, whatever it goes by where you live was just wrong. No one should go hungry, but no one should buy the crap you see people purchasing with taxpayers money
either.

I've seen several people here say they were raised in poorer households. I lived in a garage for a while when I was younger. And I can remember opening the fridge and seeing only a couple of things...one of them being ketchup. Lol... no matter how poor you are, you gotta have ketchup. I can't say that I wouldn't have taken free this, free that, if it was offered, but it wasn't. The only way you got anything was to get a job, show up every day, and work hard.

I sometimes ask myself if I begrudge people getting assistance because I worked it out for myself. I say that's not it, but it could be a part of it. Yet I know so many people who don't try, don't want to, because it's given to them. Out of curiousity, do you remember your grandparents? Mine came here from Hungary. They were the hardest working people, and they would be appalled to ask for anything they didn't earn. But I have nieces and nephews today that feel the world owes them a living. Things change in a short period of time. I just don't think for the better. I know, TMI.

You're correct it's not the twenty-something mothers themselves - it's their parents. I say this based on listening to the middle aged parents of kids who were friends of my stepdaughters. OK the days are gone when a pregnant young woman was sent to Aunt Sally for a long vacation which is fine with me. But can't these people show the slightest bit of remorse or disappointment at what their kid has become? And the parents are usualyl Jehovah's Witnesses types or ex-religious commune members who blather on about how their daughters are "blessed." From where I am sitting it doesn't take much to be a mother the way these gals are going about it.

And I don't think they're up to eight fathers yet, more like two or three.
I would agree with you except that in a lot of cases what I see is that the parents are not low lifes. The parents I've seen (most of them anyway) work for a living, pull their own weight. Maybe they are a little strict but as near as I can tell maybe they made life too easy for their little dumplings. At any rate I completely agree that once the cycle gets started it is very hard to break. The little kids who see mommy lolling around at home all day and going for a beer run just before the convenience store closes think it's normal.
I don't think it is going to happen - in any system there is going to be competition. Unless it is prevented by legislation someone will be out there looking for a piece of the market. What should not happen though IMO is that some insurers pick the chocolate morsels out of the dung (nice analogy! ) and insure only the 30-somethings whose parents lived to be 90+ and leave the rest of us to the public option. If your company is unwilling or unable to deal with the challenge of a high risk group GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS!


Here's your answer:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/benefits...es/foodpkg.htm

Yes low income tenants but also the girls that my stepdaughters went to school with. They are not homeless but they are also not doing a whole heck of a lot to move their lives forward which is a real shame. Some of them had great potential.

Im sorry but this person has every right to with all the bashing that goes on about democrats.
No she is not the only one that is sick of it. Its not just Republicans though both parties do there share fare of whining and complaining about the other side rather then trying to come together to compromise. If you cant have every thing your way you may as well at least try to compromise and I haven't seen much of that lately.

It just seems like more of the same doesn't it? One person calls Democrats dishonest, so another calls Republicans whiners. What do they call it? Tit for tat? What it basically comes down to, neither side wins. Or, do you think someone gained ground here?

Funny you should say that Cinder, I agree BTW.

But I remember reading something during the '08 presidential campaign about the history of ACORN and how it all came about from back in the 60's.

It went something like this:

After most of the, far left, "down with capitalism," hippies realized that the SDS, the Weather Underground and similar groups, domestic terrorist activities was not the most effective way to institute the fall of capitalism in this country, they switched gears.

I don't remember it all, but certain groups eventually left and started other groups, like ACORN and other, inner city, advocacy groups. Also many went into teaching, mostly at the college level.

But I remember reading that one of the ways they advocated the fall of capitalism was to get as many people on the government dole as possible.
The feeling was, if they could get as many people, as possible, on government assistance, the economy would collaps and that would be the end of Capitalism

At that time, in the 60's and early 70's there was STILL a huge stigma attached to taking government assistance and their first objective, in their plan to effect the fall of Capitalism, had to be removing that "stigma".

They did this by speaking out and telling poor, impoverished people that they should not be ashamed of getting help from the government in any form, whether welfare, food stamps, etc. They told the people it was their "right". They went into the inner cities and spread their good news.

I wish I could remember where I read this, I am going to have to do some searching. But it sure makes a person think.

I said what I thought in my original post.

You aren't going to bring yourself to the level of others? What does that mean? What level are others on that you aren't? I'm serious, I don't understand your meaning.

I'm not sure Cinder but I think she may mean the "level" of those that disagree with her.

IMO = In My Opinion = Everyone has one

Well it is rather sad when neither side can see there is merit in some of what the other says or proposes. People can complain about the way congress or the senate fails to work together, when in truth it is no different with the people they represent. It feels like two different countries now.

Chkblv, I meant to tell you yesterday that I did not intend to say that the abortion issue should be decided solely on cost. I realized after the fact how that comment sounded.

Huh....I don't get it.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_...ty_regime.html

More at link. This is what I read or something like this from another source, but similar.

Let's all pray that our countries judicial system doesn't lower themselves to requiring a video to convict a criminal. I still can't believe that you require a video to show proof of a crime.

This thread is too long for me to read. I just want to say that I like the idea of not being cut off for a pre exsisting condition. That does me fine. I think it is not the end of the world as we know it!

Hey Cindy - Acorn folded this week.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...arts-shutting/

I "require" evidence as our judicial system does. And I have seen none. Pardon me for not believing the likes of Barney Franks.

I notice they had plenty of video of the Parkinson's guy that was protesting for the hc bill.

They are just all leaving the national organization of ACORN and opening up smaller groups under new names. Hopefully they have learned some valuable lessons.

Those couple links I posted on this thread are mind boggling how much pull and control they had a few years ago.