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What is up with all the institutionalized child abuse?

post #1 of 11
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The child abuse scandal with the Catholic Church has gone global, with the Pope's past involvement in question. And now, the Boy Scouts of America has turned out to have been keeping hundreds (hundreds!!!!!) of "perversion files" on Scouting leaders of every rank and position, even while quietly shuffling them from one position of authority over children to another.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,5672708.story

Does the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts consider the reputations of their institutions to be that much more valuable than the safety of children in their care? Even if their excuse of "tracking" is true, why were none of these cases ever turned over to the police?
post #2 of 11
I'll be curious to see how extensive this is with the Boy Scouts and how high up it goes. The few dads I know who have been scout leaders are decent types (at least I'd like to think so) and if the Boy Scout troop leaders get a reputation as child molesters because of this, where are kids supposed to go for organized activities and role models?

ETA: I did a search on the Boy Scouts and while surfing I found this:
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Olympic gold medalist wants to help stop sex abuse in competitive swimming
Rather than investigate her allegations against her high-profile coach, USA Swimming endorsed his selection to the Hall of Fame, she said. Schmidt declined to name the coach on advice of her attorney.

Her comments followed those of Allard, who said there is a culture in the swimming community that has allowed widespread sexual abuse and great success for many coaches, at the expense of some of their swimmers.

A spokeswoman for USA Swimming denied Friday that sex abuse "is connected to the culture of competitive swimming."

"Sex abuse is obviously a tragic issue for society today," said Jamie Olsen, communications director for USA Swimming. "All youth organizations, including youth sports, have to deal with it."
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_147123...ce=most_viewed
post #3 of 11
The Roman Catholic Church now has the reputation of being a safe haven for pedophiles. Not only a safe haven but a safe haven to be able to practice their perversion on children free of reprisal.

If the Roman Catholic Church ever wants to get out from under this cloud and regain people's trust in their Priests, Bishops, etc the Pope is going to have to do something drastic. The Pope has an moral obligation to do something drastic.

To tell you the truth I think all Christian religions need to sign Mandates regarding this and make a solemn promise to people that suspicion and/or accusations of sexual abuse will be immediately reported to civilian authorites and the person in question will be immediately suspended and fired if convicted of a crime.

As far as I am concerned, seeing as how this Roman Catholic Priest pervert problem is world-wide, the Pope is complicit, the Pope himself is endangering little children
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
The Roman Catholic Church now has the reputation of being a safe haven for pedophiles. Not only a safe haven but a safe haven to be able to practice their perversion on children free of reprisal.

If the Roman Catholic Church ever wants to get out from under this cloud and regain people's trust in their Priests, Bishops, etc the Pope is going to have to do something drastic. The Pope has an moral obligation to do something drastic.

To tell you the truth I think all Christian religions need to sign Mandates regarding this and make a solemn promise to people that suspicion and/or accusations of sexual abuse will be immediately reported to civilian authorites and the person in question will be immediately suspended and fired if convicted of a crime.

As far as I am concerned, seeing as how this Roman Catholic Priest pervert problem is world-wide, the Pope is complicit, the Pope himself is endangering little children
The Pope? THIS Pope? Hum.... Going to be hard, now that his brother, Georg Ratzinger, is in the middle of a huge scandal, accused of being linked to the sexual and physical abuse of choirboys during some of the 30 years he ran the boys' choir in Regensburg, Germany.
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Originally Posted by Carolina View Post
The Pope? THIS Pope? Hum.... Going to be hard, now that his brother, Georg Ratzinger, is in the middle of a huge scandal, accused of being linked to the sexual and physical abuse of choirboys during some of the 30 years he ran the boys' choir in Regensburg, Germany.
From what I have seen it was not during the 30 years Ratzinger was director.
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Separately, the Regensburg Diocese told AP it will investigate allegations of physical and sexual abuse that have swirled around a renowned choir led by the Benedict's brother, the Rev. Georg Ratzinger. So far, the sex abuse allegations predate Georg Ratzinger's term as choir director.
The only thing that Ratzinger has admitted to is that he slapped kids - which was common decades ago the same way that spanking was considered normal.
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Georg Ratzinger, 86, said in a newspaper interview published Tuesday that he slapped pupils as punishment after he took over the Regensburger Domspatzen boys choir in the 1964. He also said he was aware of allegations of physical abuse at an elementary school linked to the choir but did nothing about it.

The slapping of students and other forms of corporal punishment were common in Catholic schools in Germany and other countries in that era. Such punishment was later banned.

The Regensburg Diocese has reported two cases of sexual abuse at the choir, stemming from 1958 and 1959. And across Germany, more than 170 students have claimed they were sexually abused at several Catholic high schools.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...1DQPwD9EC09L82

Nowadays smacking a kid's hand with a ruler or spanking a disciplinary measure would probably be considered "physical abuse."
post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom View Post
From what I have seen it was not during the 30 years Ratzinger was director.

The only thing that Ratzinger has admitted to is that he slapped kids - which was common decades ago the same way that spanking was considered normal.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...1DQPwD9EC09L82

Nowadays smacking a kid's hand with a ruler or spanking a disciplinary measure would probably be considered "physical abuse."
That is not what some boys, who made the accusation, are saying...
Plus, there is a HUUUUUGE difference in between him admitting doing, and what the truth really is. And that only those kids really know.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Carolina View Post
That is not what some boys, who made the accusation, are saying...
Plus, there is a HUUUUUGE difference in between him admitting doing, and what the truth really is. And that only those kids really know.
How about some links regarding those accusations?
post #8 of 11
Abuse happens in all institutions and in all faiths and gets covered up in each of these. It's simply easier for people to pretend a problem doesn't exist and just shuffle that problem off again and again. Hospitals do it with problem doctors- including that recent one where the guy molested a significant number of his patients. Churches do it in their congregations- whether it's with abuse or rampant infidelity (I could tell you some stories, including one about a church where literally everyone was sleeping with everyone else- wife swapping, swingers parties, etc and this was a big non-Catholic church.) In the SBC church I grew up in (Southern Baptist Convention) I was taught that men cheat on their wives because their wives are bad women and the men can't help themselves and I even heard this on a major SBC radio program about 5 years ago. A local high school covers up serious bullying, one of my high school gym teachers had an affair and later married a cheerleader. A man in my in-law's church seemed like an upstanding citizen, but not really, since he was verbally abusive and controlling to his wife in public- everyone knew this, everyone saw it- then acted surprised when they found out this pervert was raping his daughters. This is a Grace Brethren church. Perverts and sociopaths are drawn towards positions where they will have easy access to children or other people they can dominate. Instituations perpetuate this because most people wish to turn a blind eye to what they are seeing. It just makes everyone a heck of a lot more comfortable. My priest did a series of sermons on abuse, including sexual abuse and spousal abuse. He often preaches on subjects like abuse and infidelity. People have to speak out and not stick our heads in the sand.
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
How about some links regarding those accusations?
easy:
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But Franz Wittenbrink, a German composer who lived at the school until 1967, described the school as being run by "a sophisticated system of sadistic punishments in connection with sexual lust". He was also quoted by Der Spiegel as saying that it was "inexplicable" that the Pope's brother knew nothing of what was happening. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-14711806.html
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In an interview with German magazine Der Spiegel a former choirboy Thomas Mayer said he was raped by older boys at a time when Ratzinger ran the choir.

He also said Ratzinger had violent fits of outrage during rehearsals.

"Ratzinger, I saw him extremely angry and irascible during rehearsals," Mayer said. "Several times I saw him throw a chair at the male voices, which I was part of." Once he was so angry that he spat his dentures out.http://www.france24.com/en/20100314-...ia-sex-scandal
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Given Georg Ratzinger's thirty year tenure at the school, his point blank denial of any knowledge of sexual abuse is frankly difficult to believe. Director and composer Franz Wittenbrink, a former student at the Regensburg school, is also puzzled by Ratzinger's lack of recall. Wittenbrink has gone on record saying that the school had "a sophisticated system of sadistic punishments combined with sexual lust".


Der Spiegel goes into more detail:


"He [Wittenbrink] said the headmaster at the time "would choose two or three of us boys in the dormitories in the evenings and take them to his flat." He said there had been red wine, and that the priest had m*sturbated with the pupils. "Everyone knew about it," said Wittenbrink. "I find it inexplicable that the Pope's brother Georg Ratzinger, who had been cathedral bandmaster since 1964, apparently knew nothing about it."

... In interviews with Der Spiegel former choirboys at the Regensburger Domspatzen have alleged sexual and physical abuse at the choir's boarding schools. Therapists in the Munich area are known to have treated several choirboys who were traumatized by sexual and other physical abuse.

http://aidanmaconachyblog.blogspot.c...e-scandal.html
As I said... who knows what is true... I think much will surface from this story just like we saw here in the US a few years ago... I think this is just the beginning.
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by Carolina View Post
As I said... who knows what is true... I think much will surface from this story just like we saw here in the US a few years ago... I think this is just the beginning.
I agree, there are going to be a lot more stories of sexual and physical abuse in the Catholic church in other countries. The U.S., Ireland and Germany are the tip of the iceberg. It definitely won't be confined to Catholic institutions, either.

It's interesting that it's opened a huge discussion about celibacy in the Catholic church. While I don't see any need for priests or nuns to be celibate, I wonder why some people think removal of that vow will stop pedophiles?

Thanks for the links - I was feeling too lazy to look for ones in English last night. As you can imagine, the German media are really focusing on these revelations/accusations.
post #11 of 11
Abuse happens in all institutions especially where people (women do it too) are denied normal outlets, like the Catholic Church. prisons, the military, boarding schools etc. But the worst thing is the cover up, where abusers have no fear they will be punished and victims are afraid to speak up because they know nothing will happen. This is the real crime, just as conspiracy to murder is considered a worse crime than actual murder..
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