Booboo is confusingly not well - Page 18

intact, that is the word I was looking for a couple days ago. Yes, this a new tom to go along with the other tom we have, who is also intact. This new one doesn't go around batting at the two ladies (Which I believe are spayed due to the matching crescents popped into their ears, which I think is a trap and spay/neuter program in a town nearby) and he knows the word "No". He is also very loving and likes to walk right in front of you, try to trip you, and rub on your legs. He stares and stares and stares at me, it freaks me out a bit, and he likes to leave his mouth open after a meow, and stands there looking exactly like this smilie: Sometimes it is kind of spooky! I posted a link of him a few posts back, because my friend in the city nearby has a cat who looks nearly exactly like him, save that he has a HUGE head like a brick and great big thick jowls. This one MAY have been neutered and still has his little puffies back there, and compared to Rocku, his puffies aren't as big, but they are not small. But neither male has a hole in his ear. And this one is really groomed well. He seems like a house cat, unlike Rocky, who while he likes petting does not like being picked up or cuddled or messed with for long. HE just wants food. This one seems to be begging for love

I do feed him, just like the other 3 outside. Difference being between them and the new one, he was skinny. And he was hiding under a small plastic table mewing like crazy the second he saw me. Like I said before, I can't stand to let anything starve. But he did not come up on the porch and he was "interested" in Boo, but Boo ignored him for the most part and the new one laid down away from the porch and rolled around trying to look cute.



I got him some wet food but he wanted a bit of tub water, now he is back in his tent and resting.

As for the stones, or possible cancer, I am not sure I want to treat him for this. (Maybe 60% I can't afford it and 40% it wouldn't be fair to Boo, I want to try everything, but I don't want to be unfair to boo) She offered buprenex at a low dose (Adjustable of course, so he is not out of it or anything) if he does seem to start having pain issues or problems jumping because I brought up the arthritis. She said the kidney may be making him slightly uncomfortable but she doubts he is in any real pain right now. He liked her I think. The Epogen, she made it sound afforadable and doable. My old vet made it sound like it was just a bad idea all around, and was reluctant to try it. He mentioned "blood transfusions" ... I don't know. Oh well, we have this new vet now! And she talked to me for nearly an hour and 45 minutes I think! It was pretty amazing!
Chickster is doing ok. She ran from him when we got home and hissed, which he is used to now, but I heard a noise when I woke up a few minutes ago to use the bathroom and it was this rattling sound. I looked down the steps and saw Chickster's tail, and I went down there to see Boo in the kitchen eating his Royal Canin Mature/Senior 27 dry
So Chickster was watching after him, she is laying outside of my bedroom door being a hallway monitor I think. She won't even come in and lay on my bed, she wants to keep an eye on him. I'd put their tents beside each other but I know she wouldn't lay in hers.

I brought a fresh pan up here and put a sheet of plastic under it. Hasn't been TOUCHED. I am not sure this is going to work :T

Anyway... you guys have a good night (Or morning, depending) I have had my 10 minutes awake and am going to pass back out. I will grab my paper to make sure I haven't missed anything in the morning. <3 <# <3

I guess, thinking about it harder, I can't tell if they are neutered! I know Boo has none whatsoever, along with his twinkie winkie, it's gone because of the P/U Surgery. Rocky has huge cajones and this new one has little fuzzballs of cajones, and (Forgive me, I was curious and this may sound reaaaaaaaaally weird) while Abra wasn't looking I poked one of them and there was something in there. So I don't think he is neutered. I used to think the size mattered, since they take the inside of the testes out, but I guess I was wrong! I can tell a girl from a boy, though, if they stand still! LOL

Or maybe I can't!

His anemia is what caused his collapse, but it wasn't from peeing, which of course upset him because he may have thought I would be mad at him and/or he was upset because he doesn't like to be near his or anyone else's waste like that. What brought on the collapse was his feverish scratching of the inside of the carrier. It wore him out. The vet said it was his anemia.

She didn't really advise me one way or the other, she just presented me with options. When I told her I did not think I wanted to put him through any sort of surgery or chemo or biopsy, she copied my face (Wrinkled nose, squinting, shaking my head) and she nodded and kind of understood. Money not withstanding, I still do not think I would do it. I hope that doesn't sound cruel. He's already not really acting like he used to. He's not acting miserable, but he's just not like his old self, you know? And to put him through all of that other stress, surgeries, whatever, I just think is too much. He's had a helluva rough life...

The kidney stones... Like I said, I was told by the other vet that putting him on C/D Dry would cease the struvite crystals. IT would also make him more thirsty, so he would pee more and keep the crystals from forming. But was also told it could go the other way and he could get stones. Why, I'm not sure. But he hasn't been on C/D for a few weeks now, just his Hi-Tor and the snacking of the purina. SO when I caught him in Chickster's bowl of Purina One I covered it with a layer of C/D. He has his own bowl of Royal Canin, but he only sometimes goes over there.

I am glad you brought up the neutering thing though. I guess I never really thought about it before. On the E-How site it says you can tell by feeling. If it feels hard like a marble, they are not neutered, and if it just feels like an empty fuzzy sack, they are neutered.

Um, that was the first time i've felt a cat's cajones, so I would say Abra is NOT neutered, course I only barely poked him and only for a split second (Didn't want to lose a hand, just in case)

Anyway.. I gotta go, stripping wallpaper off a bathroom, and Boo is resting. Pretty decent day so far. If it wasn't 88 degrees I'd let him sit in the sunroom in his window, but our A/C doesn't get out there.

When she calls me back I will be talking to her about the possible UTI and I will bring up the stones/biopsy and see if she'll give me her professional advice. She probably will not want to push me either way. I don't know. I will have to really think about it.
<3 Thank you all.

No, I totally u nderstnd what you are saying. I am work now but on the way there was a wrong way driver, thankfully I was in the right lane and not the left, because I didn't even see him until he was nearly past me. I am having a rough night LOL All nerve wracked and everything

Just updating real quick that Boo was very active today. He left his "tent" (We call it) and came downstairs several times today, and was vocal. his itching seems to be lessening and I caught him sleeping deeply several times.

Anyway... gotta focus on work. I tell ya, headlights coming (nearly) at you will clarify things in your life right quick won't it!

Just wanted to let you guys know that Dr. Pierce called me. She said so far it doesn't look like he's got a UTI, she does that culture that takes a week. She said nothing has come up yet.

She really wants me to use th Epogen and I said I will totally do it, and she alsomentioned another med that is 150/month and I just cannot afford that. So we will do the epogen. His PCV will have to monitred for a coupl weeks afterwards but she said that will only be 18 dollars for the test and no exam charge (Thankfully!)

The big kicker? She looked up the Kanamyacin that was given to Boo in the Amforol liquid suspension..... she said she didn't want to say anything one way or another, but said I MUST get his med records from the old vet ASAP and she wants to see them. She said if I have ANY TROUBLE getting them to let her know and she will take care of it O.O I was like wow, what? I know in the state of NC, by law, the vet has to give me the copies of the med records. I am going to look through my receipts and see if I even have it on a receipt, so hopefully it will be on the records and not "disappeared".

In any case... I am very interested to hear what she has to say about the records and this kanamyacin.

She is a great vet I am loving her more everytime we talk!!!

Boo was insisted to go outside this morning but it felt like nearly 100 degrees in the heat this morning so we only stayed out for awhile. I had a really rough night and was struggling to stay away, but he got a good 15 mnutes, and IMHO I think that was enough, it was too hot and not enough shade. He sat in his window, I made a pallet beside of him, and he started banging on the door with his paw going MEW MEW MEW!!! I said Boo, too hot, we're not going outside right now. He went upstairs. I passed out on the floor. I woke up 30 minutes ago or so, dazed and confused. He's doing well today. Still more active than usual.


<3 Thanks guys

They print things up, I DO have the receipt for receiving the Amforal, BUT they also keep paper copies and write down what they did at the time of the exam. On blue cards. I also know they use dry erase lamenated paper to write down who is being seen and what for (For like the door card or whatever, which room I am in, and it is wiped off when we are done) But they do keep records.

I guess I should have stuck with my gut instinct on the one vet, with the whole bath thing. Oh well. I will get those records tomorrow and we will see won't we!!!!!

OK. I had no issue getting the records. It went all the way back to 1996, so I went ahead and drove it over to the new vet. She said she wanted to wait to say anything to me until she looked at them. She confirmed that Kanamyacin is contraindicated for cats with kidney failure. There are lots of meds they use that say they are for dogs, but they use them with cats, too. What struck me is when she said (And she was being very, very careful not to say the wrong thing and tried to remain professional, you know) "We are going to make mistakes, people make mistakes. But some mistakes are not excusable."

I went

She couldn't confirm whether or not it had affected his kidneys in any way, or if it had progressed the CRF, she has no clue. But he should have never been RX'd that stuff. And it is to get rid of parasites. How the heck would he get a parasite? Anyway... I was also advised by a source that I should look into contacting the Veterinary Board about this, or that it was an option. Any advice on that one?

So she really only confirmed what I knew in the first place from reading up on amforol/amforal, is that kanamyacin is toxic to kidneys in CRF cats. So why the bleepbleepbleepitybleep was it RX'd to my cat? I haven't spoken a word to my vet. I only told them I wanted the records for a scrapbook. I gave the entire stack to the new vet to keep, she asked to keep them to look them over more carefully.

I also told her if they left any part of that tooth in his mouth I didn't know what I was going to do. She said she couldn't really tell by feeling, but she could do an x-ray. I'm out of money (broke as broke can be) but we will do that after we get the Epogen done. That is priority #1 right now.

(And side thought, these devil food creme cakes are NOT GOOD, patooie)

Boo has been SO ENERGETIC. He is running around, he laid in my lap for the first time in 13 years last night (Not a lap cat) and he was begging to go outside yesterday but it was too hot.

He's sleeping comfy in his tent (He loves that thing!) Do any of you think if I moved the tent onto my bed, if it would bother him at all? I want him on my bed when I go to sleep, selfish I know, but there hasn't really been a night (before being diagnosed) that he didn't sleep on the bed with me I am so lonely having the licking and snoring going on beside me. It's like I had a husband and he moved out.

Anyway. Thanks guys. time for some rest. <3 <3 <3 And also his urine culture is coming up negative still. She will call if anything pops up tho. YAY No UTI or bladder infection yaaay!!

Boo was given the Amforol for a case of diarrhea he had. This, we suspected, was because of his eating clay cat litter because of his anemia, so then we were worried he might have a blockage and have that "Incontinence diarrhea" or whatever, where the runny poop gets out around the blockage, blockage doesn't move though. It went on for nearly a week, and it wasn't watery, but it was very much the trots (runny) and it smelled MOST FOUL. When I took him in I saw the younger male doctor that works there. He saw Boo and looked him over. I believe this is when we may have talked about his enlarged kidney and the vet didn't mention an ultrasound/x-ray, nothing and when I mentioned (or he mentioned) the possibility of lymphoma or cancer on/in the kidney he quickly dismissed it saying "I really don't think that's the case here." Course we still don't know.

So they came in with one great big horse pill (Bigger than my vitamins!) and I looked at her like she was crazy (The vet tech) and said, sorry, you're going to have to get a liquid, he will go Hannibal on you if you try to shove that down his thrown, and in HALF!? OUCH!!! Sharp edges!!! he could CHOKE!! She put it in an open ended syringe with some water and shook it up... and it turned into a pasty type thing. After what seemed like forever struggling with boo, we finalyl got most of it in there. He fought HARD the entire time.

So the vet says that was a "booster" stuff (LIke giving a shot of antibiotics before they send yuo home with some) and handed me a packet of Amforol, 5 syringes with pasty yellow liquid inside at 5CC's each. I was to give the full 5 CC's once a day for five days. By the fifth day he was back to normal, non-foul smelling poop. I was so happy.

Then I looked it up and saw it indicated for dogs and being kidney-toxic in CRF cats. This young vet KNOWS my cat is a CRF cat. He RX'd the fluids for me to get at Walgreens!!! He stuck his finger up his butt! He flicked poop at my forehead and didn't have the decency to offer me a tissue to wipe off the poop! I MEAN REALLY !!!!



as for WHEN, my memory is absolutely horrible, but I believe it was back in May, fairly sure it was May. He has had regular poop ever since.

She was being very careful about picking her words, I don't know how it is in the vet practice but she was trying not to say one way or the other if what the vet did was right or wrong, but the way it was spoken, she was telling ME to contact the Vet Board. Which oh honey I will so do it. My jaw hit the floor. She did an ultrasound (How we found out about the stones and what not) and didn't even charge me for it. Called it a "learning experience' I love her to death.

Anyway, her name is Dr. Pierce. She's a wonderful gift from heaven because without her... well.

And yes, you are right. Boo is the victim over this. It's why I am so ticked off. It came to me like a bad memory, they wrote down how much care credit I had on my card on the front of my folder. Why? Maybe someone may have a decent explanation for that, but that's basically saying "Well, she's only got 500 bucks so....."

This may or may not be a reason for not being proactive. It is clear to me now that Dr. Pierce is still young and vibrant, intelligent, and not jaded. The old vet is jaded, money hungry and I have the heebie jeebies that he is tired of working with animals in his older age.

Just thank God for me finding Dr. Pierce. At least I know that if that horrible time comes, she will be just as upset as I am ....

Gotta get back to work. It was a long day full of lots of emotions. Boo is doing well. Drinking water, I shaved a bit more of his tail and will get some baby shampoo and a cool rag and try to wash that stud tail off. It's nearly black. He didn't itch or lick it, doesn't seem to bother him. But it is oily and uncomfortable looking. Not giving him a full bath, just washing his tail and rinsing it.

*sighs* Thank you guys for your support. It means so much more than you know.

Shall I start a new thread since this one has gotten so terribly large? Let me know if I should.

Thank you so much Carolina. And I don't know if you're aware but I've started a new thread here http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=217764 since this one has gotten so large.

And thank you for clarifying that Amforal can be used for cats as well, just not kidney impaired cats.