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My former boss, Ejup Ganic, arrested in London

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Some of you may have heard on the news that Dr Ejup Ganic, former President of Bosnia, was arrested last week in London on a warrant issued by the Serbian Government. They are asking for an extradition order to try him in Serbia on war crimes charges. His bail has been refused until the case can be discussed on March 29th.

This is such a travesty of justice. Dr Ganic has already been cleared of war crimes by the International Court at The Hague and is a well known academic and man of peace in Bosnia. Since the war he has invested almost all his own money in a technical university in Sarajevo, where students of all ethnicities study computer science, maths, engineering and languages. I worked for him there for two years as Head of the English Department, and I have the greatest admiration for him as one of the people who has really done something to get the country back on its feet after a terrible period. He believes totally that the future of a country lies in the education of its young people.

The Serbs have always hated him and they have done this now in revenge for the trial of their ex-president, Karadzjic, now taking place at the International War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague. Dr Ganic is the highest profile Bosnian they can attack in this way.

I know that the Bosnian war seems a long time ago already, and people get very confused now about who was fighting whom and why. But in the region memories run deep, and are being revived by the current trial. I can only ask for vibes that this particular case will be resolved very quickly and Dr Ganic can return to his work and his students. The thought of this good man in prison in a country he has always regarded as a special friend appals me. When he was arrested he was returning from a university graduation ceremony for some of his ex-students at Buckingham University in the UK.
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I don't have a wide experience (mainly while I was in Europe in college), but I have never met a Serb that I liked, or a Bosnian or Croat I didn't like.

I had heard about this arrest, and even the international news organizations recognize it for revenge for the other war crime trials.
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Originally Posted by jennyranson
This is such a travesty of justice. Dr Ganic has already been cleared of war crimes by the International Court at The Hague
That says it all. A man who has already been cleared is supposed to be extradited to the country still hiding Mladic, where he could never get a fair trial? Serbia is just trying to defend the indefensible, meaning Karadzic's crimes.
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Okay, I don't understand. If this man has been cleared of any war crimes by the International Court, then can someone please tell me why the warrant for his arrest was honored in London? Why didn't the Brits tell the Serbian government to go pound sand?
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It is what is called 'diplomacy' at work and the UK trying not to offend a government that it is trying to encourage in new democratic techniques. Unfortunately, when it comes to anything to do with war crimes and 'national honour', no one in the region observes the niceties.

The Serbs are saying that when the International Court decided not to indict Dr Ganic for any war crimes (he was on a list of people whose actions were all investigated but he was cleared), it did not take account of/have sufficient evidence for considering a couple of specific incidents in which Serb soldiers (and possibly civilians, though that has not been proved) were killed by (they allege) Bosniak (read Bosnian Muslim) forces controlled by the Bosnian Government, at the time when he was either Vice-president or President. Are you still with me? The Serbs also want to try another ex-president of Bosnia, llia Izetbegovic and ex-president of Croatia, Dr Tudjman, both of whom are dead!

I do in fact think the UK govt is wrong in pandering to this twisted version of history and it seems to me more like appeasement than anything.
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Ahhh, appeasement, now I understand. Europe seems to do quite a bit of that and what has it gotten them?
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Yes, it is always wrong, and usually makes things worse in the long run. But it is not confined to Europe - the US has done more than its share of appeasing and holding up dictators and evil governments because it suited them for trade or political purposes. Central America comes to mind. In the early days they even supported Saddam in the interests of Middle East Peace. And what is their support of Israel against the Palestinians if not appeasement. I know Joe Biden is there now trying to stop more settlements, but he will not be successful as the govt there are just too used to US support for anything they do and think they can ignore any comments now.
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Ejup was released on bail today, amid many protests from Bosnia. The current President came to London to complain about his treatment to the British Foreign Secretary, so this is escalating into a diplomatic row.
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Originally Posted by jennyranson View Post
I know that the Bosnian war seems a long time ago already, and people get very confused now about who was fighting whom and why. But in the region memories run deep, and are being revived
Count me and my cousin as part of the confused. Her (my cousin's) husband is a nice, hard-working man from Croatia. She asked him to explain everything to her. After he explained, she still doesn't understand .....and they've been together for - oh - many years.
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No, it was very complicated. And the explanations given depend entirely on what nationality of person you are talking to. I lived in the region for ten years, and there were still aspects of it all that I did not understand. There was intolerance and hate leading to terrible events on every side, but also many good people of all nationalities who abhorred the violence and only wanted to live in peace with their neighbours of a different ethnic nationality/religion.
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Originally Posted by jennyranson View Post
Yes, it is always wrong, and usually makes things worse in the long run. But it is not confined to Europe - the US has done more than its share of appeasing and holding up dictators and evil governments because it suited them for trade or political purposes. Central America comes to mind. In the early days they even supported Saddam in the interests of Middle East Peace. And what is their support of Israel against the Palestinians if not appeasement. I know Joe Biden is there now trying to stop more settlements, but he will not be successful as the govt there are just too used to US support for anything they do and think they can ignore any comments now.


You are very right, the U.S. has plenty of practice backing the wrong guy.
I think we looked on Sadaam as the lesser of two evils after Iran took few hundred Americans hostage and kept them for over a year. I lived through that, it was a not a good thing. There has been strong anti-Iran sentiment ever since.
And the Iranians were ticked that we backed the Shah and the Shah was not the greatest guy, so there you have it.

But as to your statement about Israel, I am confused, how is this country appeasing Israel? We support Israel, always have and always will if we know what is good for us. Personally I am not against the housing settlements Israel is going to build.

What has the Palestinian's EVER built? They can't build, they just want to take. I was under the impression the Palestinian's are Jordanian's and Egyptians that are refugee's because their own country's don't want them.
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Originally Posted by jennyranson View Post
No, it was very complicated. And the explanations given depend entirely on what nationality of person you are talking to. I lived in the region for ten years, and there were still aspects of it all that I did not understand. There was intolerance and hate leading to terrible events on every side, but also many good people of all nationalities who abhorred the violence and only wanted to live in peace with their neighbours of a different ethnic nationality/religion.
It still boggles my mind how Woodrow Wilson and the League of Nations ever could have believed that mashing people together with such different cultures, and some with histories of antagonism, together and thought it would work. Tito was far from a saint and committed more than his share of atrocities but he was able to hold what was then Yugoslavia together. None of the so-called leaders that followed had his force of will. I have to agree, most people want to live their lives in peace with their neighbors. It's unfortunate that there will always be those who don't share that sentiment. Being on the outside looking in as a student of history the Balkans are incredibly complicated.
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The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is a huge topic on its own, and again there is guilt on every side. The British and French governments started it all when they carved up the Middle East with no regard to local sensibilities. The Jews needed a home of course, but it was all done with no thought to the Arabs who originally lived there, and who are the parents and grand-parents of the current Palestinians. They were herded out of their homes, into non-productive areas, and have been fighting for justice ever since. They are refugees in their own land. I do not want to get into all that in this thread, but the US government has supported Israel whatever it has done to these people. I think the settlements are a terrible injustice. But again, there is evil on all sides.
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