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post #1 of 45
2/27/10 at 6:12pm
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Hello

I have a nice home, 3 cats, 1 puppy.

Problem, I always sleep with my window open, which the cats use to come and go.

When it rains, we have, 4 cats, 1 puppy.

I can not get rid of this cat, he will keep coming in. He has a home, as he has a collar and he followed one of my other cats home, and now wont leave.

Our cats don't have a collar, this cat is eating all our dry cat food.

How can I get rid of this cat?

My 2 male cats witch have not been had the "snip" are fine with him, but our oldest male cat which has, is very aggressive and hates changes, as soon as he finds out, I am sure the cat will be dead.


Don't believe me?

Things my cat has beaten up/killed.

Labrador puppy - a few times beaten up.
Fox - dead, he killed him, broken neck, brought him in though my window, then ripped him apart.
Rabbits, chickens, rats, mice.


He is out at the moment, but I can hear him.
He weighs about 2 stone, is a very large cat, tip of his noise to the tip of this tail at 30" with only a 2" tail.
post #2 of 45
2/27/10 at 7:19pm
Does this cat's collar identify his owner? If it is a neighbor of yours perhaps you could let them know about your concerns. If not, many cats these days are microchipped, if you can get him to a vet or somewhere else who can identify his home, that might be an option. If nothing else, maybe you can get him to a local shelter so he can hopefully find a home...?

If the cat is homeless/outdoor and doesn't have other access to food and shelter, it's not likely you're going to be able to discourage him from coming around to your place.

I am concerned that two of your male cats are not neutered and are allowed out of doors. Are they just too young to be fixed? If I were you I'd look into getting them "snipped" ASAP.
post #3 of 45
2/27/10 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
Does this cat's collar identify his owner? If it is a neighbor of yours perhaps you could let them know about your concerns. If not, many cats these days are microchipped, if you can get him to a vet or somewhere else who can identify his home, that might be an option. If nothing else, maybe you can get him to a local shelter so he can hopefully find a home...?

If the cat is homeless/outdoor and doesn't have other access to food and shelter, it's not likely you're going to be able to discourage him from coming around to your place.

I am concerned that two of your male cats are not neutered and are allowed out of doors. Are they just too young to be fixed? If I were you I'd look into getting them "snipped" ASAP.
I believe this cat is a neighbours' cat. However the current time is 3:38 am, It is a bad time to go around asking if this is their cat.

Bubbles has seen him, and hissed and swiped him, then walked away.

All my cats are male, 2 are not neutered, and will not be neutered, it is against my believes. Also, my oldest cat lost his testicles, I have been though the same thing, and its not worth it. I will not put my cats under operations unless they needed it (life threatening, or in too much pain).

This cat is more of a few month old kitten, and is very tinny, if the owners don't want it, the cat will stay here.
post #4 of 45
2/27/10 at 7:49pm
I am not a moderator here, but please understand that The Cat Site is a pro spay/neuter site unless the cat is with a reputable breeder and being used to maintain breed standards. So you may get quite a bit of flack from people here about not fixing your cats. Many of us volunteer in rescue and see way too many unwanted feline pregnancies and resulting kittens and have to deal with euthanasia issues.

Thanks.
post #5 of 45
2/27/10 at 7:57pm
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According to Google maps, and tracking devices my cats only go about 20meters away from the house, that is mostly our front garden, and back garden to go to the bathroom. They don't go out other wise unless its in the summer and there is one of us (humans) around.

Bubbles is the only cat that goes further at 100 meters.

Max amount of time they go out for, 10minutes.

Look at Bollo in my sig, thats him doing his business, Yes, thats him, thats about as much as he dose outside.
post #6 of 45
2/27/10 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by gaogier View Post
According to Google maps, and tracking devices my cats only go about 20meters away from the house, that is mostly our front garden, and back garden to go to the bathroom. They don't go out other wise unless its in the summer and there is one of us (humans) around.

Bubbles is the only cat that goes further at 100 meters.

Max amount of time they go out for, 10minutes.

Look at Bollo in my sig, thats him doing his business, Yes, thats him, thats about as much as he dose outside.
I'm not questioning how far they go or how long they go out... I am just letting you know about TCS's stance and issues with unaltered felines, including testicular cancer for males.
post #7 of 45
2/27/10 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by gaogier View Post
This cat is more of a few month old kitten, and is very tinny, if the owners don't want it, the cat will stay here.
It's great that you are willing to take this kitten in. Although it is early AM where you are now, if you can identify the kitten's owner, perhaps you could approach them at a more reasonable hour. If you are afraid your cat will cause harm to this kitten, they will probably want to know.

But please, have your cats neutered. It's a pretty simple operation anymore, and while it might not be "needed" in a life-threatening way to YOUR cat, if they are impregnating female cats, you may be inadvertently contributing to the deaths of countless homeless kittens. Don't underestimate the power of a female cat in heat. You may think your boys don't go too far, but if there is a female in heat ANYWHERE near, your boys will try to get to her come hell or high water.
post #8 of 45
2/27/10 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Mystik Spiral View Post
It's great that you are willing to take this kitten in. Although it is early AM where you are now, if you can identify the kitten's owner, perhaps you could approach them at a more reasonable hour. If you are afraid your cat will cause harm to this kitten, they will probably want to know.

But please, have your cats neutered. It's a pretty simple operation anymore, and while it might not be "needed" in a life-threatening way to YOUR cat, if they are impregnating female cats, you may be inadvertently contributing to the deaths of countless homeless kittens. Don't underestimate the power of a female cat in heat. You may think your boys don't go too far, but if there is a female in heat ANYWHERE near, your boys will try to get to her come hell or high water.
Simple operation? Where did you get this info? Do you know what they need to do? How much pain there is? How long the pain lasts?
post #9 of 45
2/27/10 at 8:55pm
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Simple operation? Where did you get this info? Do you know what they need to do? How much pain there is? How long the pain lasts?
See my comments in the breeders corner... but it's ok to spay a female... do you know what they have to do THERE??? I was "spayed" as a human. And Heck yeah.. it hurt, there was a post op infection... etc. I would still spay and neuter my pets.

Yes - neutering a male cat does not take that long .. the actual operation.. the testicles are removed but the scrotal sac is left behind.
post #10 of 45
2/27/10 at 9:16pm
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Simple operation? Where did you get this info? Do you know what they need to do? How much pain there is? How long the pain lasts?
The pain last a day, maybe two.

Do you know how many kittens are suffering because you have two intact males who roam free? Many, I assure you.

If you refuse to neuter your males you should keep them in the house so your irresponsibility affects no one but yourself and the two toms, poor things. They will be much happier healthier cats neutered.

It's nice of you to be willing to take in the kitten. If you don't want him in your house and aren't willing to approach the owner as has already been suggested, put a screen in your window.
post #11 of 45
2/27/10 at 10:22pm
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Simple operation? Where did you get this info? Do you know what they need to do? How much pain there is? How long the pain lasts?
As I am not a neutered male cat I can't answer this. But I have no doubt that the discomfort your boys would go through will amount to nothing compared to the suffering of females that your boys might impregnate and the kittens those females have to care for. Or abandon.

You might have a different perspective if you had unaltered females who came home pregnant. I'm honestly not meaning to be judgmental of you, you obviously care for your boys very much. But the responsible thing to do is get them neutered.
post #12 of 45
2/28/10 at 12:25am
When the operation is done by a good vet, there is almost no pain for male cats after a neuter, and it does prevent pain for many cats they will come into contact with - male cats they might fight and female cats and their kittens who go through pregnancy and birth, often in hard conditions. Almost all male cats I have had come home from the operation, sleep for a few hours and are completely normal again, eating and playing. Most vets will give them a pain control injection or pill just in case. So please have it done.
post #13 of 45
2/28/10 at 12:59am
Your stance on neutering is antiquated at best. It is medically proven a neuterd male is happier and healthier. Don't be too sure how much your cats wander. Never say never when it comes to cats. IMO it is irresponsible of you to allow your males to live this way.'

If you don't want the cat in the house, put in screens. Obvious answer.
post #14 of 45
2/28/10 at 7:54am
Unneutered male cats are at much higher risk for testicular cancer and other diseases. Eventually, they will fight eachother. Putting up a screen also won't help if there is a female in heat nearby. They will go through the screen to get to her. Also, if they start spraying, they will likely never stop. Good luck living with that horrid smell.
post #15 of 45
2/28/10 at 8:05am
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All those who are saying to go ahead and get the cats neutered, I have lost a testicle, same operation as cats go through, and you say the cats are not in pain? how do you know this? I can tell you that I was in pain for months, and I do not want this pain put on my cats.
post #16 of 45
2/28/10 at 8:16am
It's not the same thing, please, trust us on this! do a search and read up on the surgery

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The feline neuter is one of the simplest surgical procedures performed in all of veterinary medicine. The cat is fasted over night so that anesthesia is performed on an empty stomach. The scrotum is opened with a small incision and the testicles are brought out. The cords are either pulled free and tied to eachother or a small suture is used to tie the cords and the testicle is cut free. The skin incision on the scrotum is small enough so as not to require stitches of any kind.
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body..._male_cat.html

It is not the same thing at all. Your males will be MUCH happier cats, without all those hormones making them crazy, they will be much healthier too. Pain will last one day, if that.

(in addition cats do not process pain the way humans do, they have about 100 times more endorphins, very high pain threshold, nor do they feel any emotional attachment to their reproductive organs as humans do they won't know they cannot reporduce anymore and will not "miss sex". Cats do not "need sex" they only do it because they are biologically programed for it)
post #17 of 45
2/28/10 at 8:21am
Spaying and neutering is a part of RESPONSIBLE pet ownership. It protects your cat. It's just irresponsible not too. As someone already said, you're projecting YOUR feelings onto your cat. They surgery is not a bad one.
post #18 of 45
2/28/10 at 9:15am
A good pet owner is an informed pet owner. Make your decisions based on facts, not emotion or personal experience. You are a human, different species.

Talk to the vet. Any vet that would not recommend neutering, isn't much of a vet. Go on the sites of major veterinary collages and do your research. Cornell is a good place to start.

All my males are neutered. All my females are spayed. It is my duty to take care of my animals. When my males came home from the vet, they were playful right away. Acted perfectly normal.

Your decision not to neuter is, frankly, from the dark ages.
post #19 of 45
2/28/10 at 9:33am
The neuter surgery is minimally invasive/painful. It is not the same as a similar surgery in a human. The incision that is made is tiny, so small that it does not even require stitches.

If you are not going to neuter your cats, please keep them inside rather than contributing to the feral and stray population!
I've rescued feral cats and kittens and they DO suffer. By letting your unneutered male cats outside you are allowing them to breed even more ferals/strays.
post #20 of 45
2/28/10 at 10:03am
For those on this site not familiar with the weight scale of 2 stone - it roughly equals 28 pounds. Sure this cat isn't a bobcat or lynx?

I support what others have said, get your 2 boys neutered. It's not the same surgery as removing a testicle, it's more like the surgery for a vasectomy. I'm of the age where I know of many men that have gone thru that surgery and they did not experience the pain that you have described.

For the neighbor's cat that is coming to your home. I know it's late there, but perhaps you can go over there during the day and talk to them and tell them your fears about your cat killing their cat.
post #21 of 45
2/28/10 at 10:20am
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Luckily he blanked the other cat, didn't notice.

So you think that I don't want my cats to go though this, I am a bad owner?

My cats are happy, trained well, and fully healthy. I take them to the vet if one sneezes.

I have had a word with our vet, and they seem happy with my decision, so why can't you?

The other cat only came in due to it raining, as soon as it stopped, it left.
post #22 of 45
2/28/10 at 10:23am
Because, we see the results of people like you who refuse to neuter, in the millions of cats in shelters, starving in the streets, frozen, abused, euthanized.

As for your vet allegedly being "okay with it", I certainly would not trust the health of my cats to a vet with such ideas as that.

I'm beginning to think this is a wind up. enough already.
post #23 of 45
2/28/10 at 10:46am
I see the results of people like you, who refuse to neuter their cats, every time I walk outside my house! I feed sometimes, fifteen cats a night that don't have homes. You know why they don't have homes? Because of the pet overpopulation, which you are contributing to.
post #24 of 45
2/28/10 at 10:48am
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I'm beginning to think this is a wind up. enough already.
You're probably right, even if it's not, I'm done with this person. Hope someone else might get through to him.
post #25 of 45
2/28/10 at 10:51am
I was thinking that too.

Yep, finished.
post #26 of 45
2/28/10 at 11:06am
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According to our pet pound, its dogs not cats.

Please don't treat me like I am stupid, I know what I am doing.
post #27 of 45
2/28/10 at 11:09am
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According to our pet pound, its dogs not cats.

Please don't treat me like I am stupid, I know what I am doing.
Are you saying that your local shelter has more dogs than cats? That would be interesting. I don't think anyone is treating you like you are stupid, but I'm starting to get a "troll" vibe from you too. It's hard to believe that not only you, but also your vet, believes that not having male cats neutered is a good thing.

I really hope this IS a wind-up and that there aren't unaltered male cats roaming your neighborhood.
post #28 of 45
2/28/10 at 11:16am
I could not imagine having un-neutered male cats in my house.. pew-weeeeee
post #29 of 45
2/28/10 at 11:17am
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I could not imagine having un-neutered male cats in my house.. pew-weeeeee
<snicker>
post #30 of 45
2/28/10 at 11:23am
I actually have 7 male cat all neutered and not one of them came home limping or in pain after being altered...
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