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post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by merrytreecats View Post
Oh, they read the pedigrees, they deliberately inbred the cats. They told me this was perfectly okay if done right, all breeders did it, and sure I could provide a link, but I'm actually afraid that if I do these people could come after me. I had to part with these cats after I lost my job and therefore my place, and therefore my cattery so they got nothing to take from me, but I've been a victim of breeder harassment. If you like I could PM them to you. But the one cattery in particular I'm talking about is a TOP Persian show cattery that wins many prizes, or at least was a few years ago. They sold me a cat with: Breathing problems, tearing eyes, stunted growth, frail immune system and, interestingly for a breeding cat, sterility. I called them asking about the LOUD breathing problems I'd noticed as soon as I was no longer in the {very noisy} cat show hall and they told me it was just bubbles up his nose from the bath they had given him. A return/refund was out of the question as far as they were concerned. $1500 for him. I just paid it off last year.

Kitten mills aren't real catteries, I don't think there's a soul around who thinks that sort of thing is okay at all, I guess unless they're the ones running the place and making money off it, I would think there's some self deceit or denial going on about it then otherwise how could those monsters even live with themselves.

The healthest cats I've seen, generally speaking, are moggies.
Part of a buying a breeding cat - in my opinion is actually meeting the cat in person and assessing it YOURSELF. About 9 years ago my mother & I purchased a Tortie Persian for breedingfrom Australia, sight unseen and we were promised a beautiful kitten who would win every show (cough, cough) and we ended up with a skinny runt who was covered in ring worm and had a head shaped like a triangle. Unfortunately we took a risk with buying her and you just cannot trust everybody. Breathing problems don't just happen over night in Persians generally - so even if it is a TOP cattery, it's still advisable to meet the cat in person

Sorry but you just paid off $1500 last year - that's a small fraction of costs involved with my cats per year and I don't think breeding is for anybody who can't afford it. Period. It's not cheap and not for the light hearted.

Also you can't really guarantee a breeding cat for breeding - it may sound silly but some cats just aren't up to it. It may be behavioral, genetic - whatever but unfortunately if your contract didn't include a refund or replacement if the cat was sterile - then that's just a case of buyers beware.
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by Sol View Post
(horror, horror, my youngest queen is hopefully pregnant with a British Shorthair... she's a Devon Rex).
Ok, I'll bite....why?? I'm unaware of a breed allowing outcrossing Brits and Devons?
post #33 of 41
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post
Ok, I'll bite....why?? I'm unaware of a breed allowing outcrossing Brits and Devons?
I wanna add genetic variation to the gene pool and get a stronger profile in my Devons, that's why.

British Shorthair is an approved outcrossing breed for the Devon Rex within both TICA and the GCCF.
post #34 of 41
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Originally Posted by Sol View Post
I wanna add genetic variation to the gene pool and get a stronger profile in my Devons, that's why.

British Shorthair is an approved outcrossing breed for the Devon Rex within both TICA and the GCCF.
thanks Devons can't be outcrossed here, and your post made it sound more sinister than an outcrossing program.
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post
thanks Devons can't be outcrossed here, and your post made it sound more sinister than an outcrossing program.
In Australia? I've seen lots of registred Australian Devon outcrosses. Maybe it's like the rules within FIFé, there are no officially allowed outcrosses but you can have an outcross program approved by your association?
post #36 of 41
All outcrossing is monitered here and approval has to be given before you begin the program. For example I cannot cross to aby just because I might want to, I need approval first.

Likely there was outcrossing allowed in Devons in the past, currently not.
post #37 of 41
You can outcross Devon Rex to Sphynx in TICA but not CFA.
There is a gene that the Devons carry that has caused heart problems in sphynx.
post #38 of 41
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Originally Posted by mews2much View Post
You can outcross Devon Rex to Sphynx in TICA but not CFA.
There is a gene that the Devons carry that has caused heart problems in sphynx.
If it's HCM you're talking about, don't blame the problems in the Sphynx breed on outcrossing with Devon Rex. HCM exists in all breeds and in moggies. In Sweden the frequency of HCM is appr. 4% in the Devon Rex, which is below normal!

What the Sphynx has gotten from the Devon Rex is a muscle disease, primary myopathy but it's extremely rare.
post #39 of 41
I am talking about myopathy < Spasticity>
post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by mews2much View Post
I am talking about myopathy < Spasticity>
That's what I thought and myopathy doesn't affect the heart.
post #41 of 41
I knew that but made a mustake.
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