What exactly was the problem? Was it physical pain, infection, what was your self diagnosis that he refused?
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I lost it with a doctor today
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the last doctor i had that did something similar i fired.
in my case, i needed a refill of a medication i had been taking for several years. when my insurance required him to fill out a form [new procedure] i was told by his office that i would have to come in to an appointment in order to have this done. i agreed, [after MUCH arguing], but informed them at that time that, unless something new was done, i would not be paying for this visit, since it was at their request. [they had recently implemented a new office procedure where they requested payment prior to seeing the doctor, btw.]
sure enough, i arrive - wait about an hour, & the receptionist asks me to pay my portion. i refused - i was polite, & explained why.
when i was called back, the nurse refused to allow me to see the doctor w/o paying. i explained that i was not paying for the visit, since i felt it was unnecessary - they were the ones requiring it. i still was relative polite, altho i did become quite loud.
after much ado, i left w/o either paying or seeing the doctor. that was the last time i was there.
however - when i went to the pharmacy - my script had been refilled.
in my case, i needed a refill of a medication i had been taking for several years. when my insurance required him to fill out a form [new procedure] i was told by his office that i would have to come in to an appointment in order to have this done. i agreed, [after MUCH arguing], but informed them at that time that, unless something new was done, i would not be paying for this visit, since it was at their request. [they had recently implemented a new office procedure where they requested payment prior to seeing the doctor, btw.]
sure enough, i arrive - wait about an hour, & the receptionist asks me to pay my portion. i refused - i was polite, & explained why.
when i was called back, the nurse refused to allow me to see the doctor w/o paying. i explained that i was not paying for the visit, since i felt it was unnecessary - they were the ones requiring it. i still was relative polite, altho i did become quite loud.
after much ado, i left w/o either paying or seeing the doctor. that was the last time i was there.
however - when i went to the pharmacy - my script had been refilled.
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Cheylink - there was no self-diagnosis. I was provided during an earlier visit with this doctor with two potential/hypothetical courses of treatment - A and B. Both treatments he mentioned earlier, not me. I researched them on my own though and came to prefer one over the other due to risks.
As for what the problem was, I'd rather not turn this thread into a medical discussion. I have mentioned the problem in some other threads though - and it's not the ones regarding my back.
As for what the problem was, I'd rather not turn this thread into a medical discussion. I have mentioned the problem in some other threads though - and it's not the ones regarding my back.
Lawguy I am sorry you are having such issues with your quack of a doctor. I hope you do file claims against him. It seems sometimes to me that many doctors do the bare minimum for their patients these days. What ever happened to their hipocratic(sp) oath? As for what he could do if you file a complaint...nothing really. If he releases ANY info on you to a third party he is breaking the laws if HIPPA and will be in deep poo with the medical board and maybe even lose his license (one can only hope).
Some doctors lose sight of the point in their profession...and some are just crazy. My husband moved here in July and had to get a new Dr of course. He went to one recomended by his insurance. He brought with him some info on his medical history and explained that he needed a perscription that he had prescribed to him by his neurologist in CA. The Dr agreed to give him his perscription but told him that in the future he needed to get it from a neurologist. That is all fine and good. ANYWAY the next time he goes in, (he has a medical conditon which generally requires him to visit his doctor every few months) and he mentioned the perscription and how he was having trouble getting in to see a neurologist because the ones on the list provided by his insuarnce company were all too far away and the med he was on the doctor asked him "Where did you get the _________(the script this same doctor perscribed for him a month before)?" in such a way as to almost sound like he was implying that my hubby was getting them in some shady way...
THIS doctor was the one who wrote the perscribtion. I was there and watched him do it. i went with him to have it filled. What the flip is wrong with some doctors???
Anyway just sharing a little medical frusteration!
I hope you find a doctor who can help you soon.
Some doctors lose sight of the point in their profession...and some are just crazy. My husband moved here in July and had to get a new Dr of course. He went to one recomended by his insurance. He brought with him some info on his medical history and explained that he needed a perscription that he had prescribed to him by his neurologist in CA. The Dr agreed to give him his perscription but told him that in the future he needed to get it from a neurologist. That is all fine and good. ANYWAY the next time he goes in, (he has a medical conditon which generally requires him to visit his doctor every few months) and he mentioned the perscription and how he was having trouble getting in to see a neurologist because the ones on the list provided by his insuarnce company were all too far away and the med he was on the doctor asked him "Where did you get the _________(the script this same doctor perscribed for him a month before)?" in such a way as to almost sound like he was implying that my hubby was getting them in some shady way...
THIS doctor was the one who wrote the perscribtion. I was there and watched him do it. i went with him to have it filled. What the flip is wrong with some doctors???
Anyway just sharing a little medical frusteration!
I hope you find a doctor who can help you soon.
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It took me 24 years to get a diagnosis... SO I feel your pain and YES do file complaints...
I now have a diagnosis and DO NOT go to MD s unless I need a RX ... For me I go to alternative medicine as much as possible... I like my accupucturist saying well things look much better call me when they get worse again
I now have a diagnosis and DO NOT go to MD s unless I need a RX ... For me I go to alternative medicine as much as possible... I like my accupucturist saying well things look much better call me when they get worse again
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My father has warned me against homeopathic medicine. He claims that many patients he sees are seeing him because of damage various homeopathic remedies caused.
With that said though, he's not saying that all homeopathic medicine is bad, just that a lot of it is either pointless (like those flashing red and blue LED wrist bands that supposedly increase blood flow
or the "detoxification foot pads" which claim to even absorb dangerous heavy metals in your body - which is physically impossible as heavy metals cannot pass through skin and can only be removed via chelation therapy. Also, the black color you see after use isn't "the toxins" from your body. It's a chemical reaction between the water from the sweat of your feet and the dried wood vinegar in the pads. Dried herbs in the pads provide the odor at the end of the day when you throw them out that completes the illusion.
) or possibly dangerous (like high colonics which is one of the things my father sees damage from the most).
I also have my doubts about osteopathic medicine, or at least what it was originally intended to be as I feel that's pretty bogus too. Recently though, osteopathic medicine has become more like allopathic medicine in many ways and the true originalists of osteopathic medicine are up in arms about what they're calling an "identity crisis". While I typically consider MD physicians to be better than DO physicians, I have met and have been treated by some very good DO physicians. They are out there, so I can't make a true categorical statement. My original neurologist in Minneapolis is a DO, and he's at one of the top neurology groups in the Twin Cities. I've been surgically operated on by a DO that my father respects tremendously, and I've gotten all of my epidurals by a DO who is considered to the "the best" in all of South Florida at interventional pain relief from spinal issues.
Despite this, doctors of allopathic medicine do recognize that there are some homeopathic remedies that may have some legitimacy behind them. One of those is coincidentally accupuncture. There have been, and continue to be studies that are concluding that for whatever reason, it may be beneficial. It's not terribly unusual for allopathic doctors to not know why something works btw. If you look at the "mode/method of action" for many medications, they start out by saying, "While it is not entirely understood exactly how drugXYZ works, it is believed by many that it functions primarily by....." I am considering getting accupuncture at some point to try it out. Unless the needles are dipped in the batrachotoxin of the Golden Dart Frog, what could happen?
Obviously I know that there are risks, but I know of some folks who are getting it down here and will ask who they use, and try to figure out who is the best. They sanitize the needles right? Or do they use new needles each time?
ETA: Oh yeah, and I fully reported the guy to everybody possible. I'm done with him now. I'm seeing a new doc this afternoon who my father doesn't know, but his best friend (another doctor) said is "amongst the best" in the area. We'll see.
With that said though, he's not saying that all homeopathic medicine is bad, just that a lot of it is either pointless (like those flashing red and blue LED wrist bands that supposedly increase blood flow
I also have my doubts about osteopathic medicine, or at least what it was originally intended to be as I feel that's pretty bogus too. Recently though, osteopathic medicine has become more like allopathic medicine in many ways and the true originalists of osteopathic medicine are up in arms about what they're calling an "identity crisis". While I typically consider MD physicians to be better than DO physicians, I have met and have been treated by some very good DO physicians. They are out there, so I can't make a true categorical statement. My original neurologist in Minneapolis is a DO, and he's at one of the top neurology groups in the Twin Cities. I've been surgically operated on by a DO that my father respects tremendously, and I've gotten all of my epidurals by a DO who is considered to the "the best" in all of South Florida at interventional pain relief from spinal issues.
Despite this, doctors of allopathic medicine do recognize that there are some homeopathic remedies that may have some legitimacy behind them. One of those is coincidentally accupuncture. There have been, and continue to be studies that are concluding that for whatever reason, it may be beneficial. It's not terribly unusual for allopathic doctors to not know why something works btw. If you look at the "mode/method of action" for many medications, they start out by saying, "While it is not entirely understood exactly how drugXYZ works, it is believed by many that it functions primarily by....." I am considering getting accupuncture at some point to try it out. Unless the needles are dipped in the batrachotoxin of the Golden Dart Frog, what could happen?
ETA: Oh yeah, and I fully reported the guy to everybody possible. I'm done with him now. I'm seeing a new doc this afternoon who my father doesn't know, but his best friend (another doctor) said is "amongst the best" in the area. We'll see.
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Please Pm me..
BUT sorry your father is IMHO not researching outside his immediate box...
Chinese medicine has been used for about 4000 years... Acupuncturists mainly use DISPOSIBLE needles
and my uses electricity on me .... by contrast Modern western only 200 and older western about 400...
I ONLY go to DO s when possible and dealing with western medicine.. why do to slight schooling differences ... they are taught more about the WHOLE body not just the this piece is not working ....
Homeopathic is FDA regulated as drugs
... I call it safer thou many will say no known interactions ..
Yes there is some of what I call hocus pocus.. the foot things cleaned the soles of my feet really well, note my feet not detoxified my body
Lol I would not do a colonic nor would I have another colonoscopy
.. You have to use your head and common sence with ALL medicine
BUT sorry your father is IMHO not researching outside his immediate box...
Chinese medicine has been used for about 4000 years... Acupuncturists mainly use DISPOSIBLE needles
I ONLY go to DO s when possible and dealing with western medicine.. why do to slight schooling differences ... they are taught more about the WHOLE body not just the this piece is not working ....
Homeopathic is FDA regulated as drugs
Yes there is some of what I call hocus pocus.. the foot things cleaned the soles of my feet really well, note my feet not detoxified my body
Lol I would not do a colonic nor would I have another colonoscopy
I see doctors all the time- I'd say at least once a month. I'm in the hospital right now (for those of you who know me- I know, big shocker there lol) so I see my neurologist every morning as well as his PA. Well, I got totally pissed because last night the nurse came to me and wanted to start me on a medication that I did not consent to, so I didn't know about it. I refused to take the medication both times it was scheduled, and said that I wanted to talk with my doc before I took it. I wanted to know the reasoning for it. Well when his PA saw me this morning, she got kinda mad that I didn't let them hook me up to that IV medication. It was early in the morning, so I was naturally cranky plus she was getting angry so I just went off on her telling her that all medications need to be cleared with me first or I will NOT take it, I don't give a d*mn what anyone says. Unless it's a life or death situation, then I don't care what they give me lol. So when the doctor came in I was extremely irritable. But I think that he's used to it because he's figured that I'm not a morning person, and he comes in around 7 AM, before breakfast and everything. That's like the third person that I've gone off on since I was admitted last week Friday lol. And even before I was admitted, I went off on the receptionist at his office that same day. So I didn't even start off this hospital stay on a good note. So all together, I know how you feel. Dealing with doctors is one of the most frustrating things on this planet. Nice part for me though is that I only have two doctors that aren't ok with me b*tching back to. All the rest just brush it off their shoulder and let it go, they know me so well they know that it's just me venting cuz I can't hold ANYTHING in.
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I feel like some terms are getting confused here..."homeopathic" medicine refers to a particular kind of traditional medicine, defined by the principle that "like treats like" and characterized by solutions so diluted as to probably be only water. As such, it is generally about as effective as a placebo but probably more so against dehydration. (Now that I think of it, I might be able to call myself a homeopathic medicine practitioner because I tell students to get a drink of water first when they ask to see the nurse, unless it's an obvious emergency...and it does quite often get them out of my hair. Although maybe that's just because many headaches come from dehydration in the first place.)
People tend to use "homeopathy" as a catchall term for traditional medicine, which isn't accurate. Some traditional treatments are also only about as effective as a placebo; others are much more effective.
People tend to use "homeopathy" as a catchall term for traditional medicine, which isn't accurate. Some traditional treatments are also only about as effective as a placebo; others are much more effective.
If negligence occured you could have a malpractice case. You may want to get legal advice on that before the statue of limitations runs out. It happened to me once and part of my settlement agreement was that i did not turn my doc into the medical board.
Unfortunately, good doctors are hard to find. Just like good ________ (name just about any profession) are hard to find. There are good and bad of any profession. I'm sorry you ran into one of the bad ones.
One of the best things about the internet is being able to research all kinds of different things. It may be finding a good plumber, or neurologist, or primary care physician (PCP). It can also be finding people who share common interests, like cats, as well as expanding your knowledge about that common interest.
It can also be expanding your knowledge about something very personal like a medical condition. As someone with a chronic, incurable disease I have found that being able to learn about MS as well as connecting with others who have the same disease and go through the same treatments has been quite empowering to me. Makes me feel like I have at least a little control over this MonSter.
It has also given me the power to know what is being put into my body with various treatment options, and finding out ALL of the possible side effects and not just the ones that the neurologists want to tell me about.
As you can tell from Laurie's (LDG) post and hopefully from mine too, one of the biggest thing that both of us have learned is that you have to be your own advocate when it comes to your health, and especially if you're dealing with something that isn't a common issue and/or if you don't react to treatments the usual way. Laurie has as much or more knowledge about Gary's illness than most of the doctors he/they have seen. I try to keep up with new research, new medications, and all possible side effects of medications that they want to prescribe to me because I have had a few too many of those rare reactions to drugs. I need to know what to watch for, and if I am listening to my body and I know that drug isn't working for or with me, then by god you better listen! I know my body better than someone I see once every few months - I live with it every day. I am very happy that my PCP and neurologist both know me and my husband well enough to let us know our options for long term treatment and give us a chance to research it before making a decision. They respect our intelligence and knowledge of this disease/illness, and they don't play us for uninformed fools (anymore - well, my PCP never did, the neuro and his PA took a bit of training.
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The point of this long drawn out post is just that you can't allow someone with a fancy degree to take advantage of you. If he's seen you 4 times with no diagnosis or treatment plan, then he's taking advantage of you. You have to be your own advocate! It's not about self-diagnosis or choosing a medication from a TV commercial. It's about educating yourself to ensure that you aren't being played for a sucker.
One of the best things about the internet is being able to research all kinds of different things. It may be finding a good plumber, or neurologist, or primary care physician (PCP). It can also be finding people who share common interests, like cats, as well as expanding your knowledge about that common interest.
It can also be expanding your knowledge about something very personal like a medical condition. As someone with a chronic, incurable disease I have found that being able to learn about MS as well as connecting with others who have the same disease and go through the same treatments has been quite empowering to me. Makes me feel like I have at least a little control over this MonSter.
As you can tell from Laurie's (LDG) post and hopefully from mine too, one of the biggest thing that both of us have learned is that you have to be your own advocate when it comes to your health, and especially if you're dealing with something that isn't a common issue and/or if you don't react to treatments the usual way. Laurie has as much or more knowledge about Gary's illness than most of the doctors he/they have seen. I try to keep up with new research, new medications, and all possible side effects of medications that they want to prescribe to me because I have had a few too many of those rare reactions to drugs. I need to know what to watch for, and if I am listening to my body and I know that drug isn't working for or with me, then by god you better listen! I know my body better than someone I see once every few months - I live with it every day. I am very happy that my PCP and neurologist both know me and my husband well enough to let us know our options for long term treatment and give us a chance to research it before making a decision. They respect our intelligence and knowledge of this disease/illness, and they don't play us for uninformed fools (anymore - well, my PCP never did, the neuro and his PA took a bit of training.
The point of this long drawn out post is just that you can't allow someone with a fancy degree to take advantage of you. If he's seen you 4 times with no diagnosis or treatment plan, then he's taking advantage of you. You have to be your own advocate! It's not about self-diagnosis or choosing a medication from a TV commercial. It's about educating yourself to ensure that you aren't being played for a sucker.
The medical definitions:
Homeopathy
According to homeopathy, symptoms are the body's way of fighting disease. Homeopathy teaches that symptoms are to be encouraged, by prescribing a "remedy" in minuscule doses that in large doses would produce the same symptoms seen in the patient. These remedies are meant to stimulate the immune system, helping to cure the illness, according to homeopathy.
Naturopathy
Based on preventative care, and on the use of heat, water, light, air, and massage as primary therapies for disease.
Homeopathy
According to homeopathy, symptoms are the body's way of fighting disease. Homeopathy teaches that symptoms are to be encouraged, by prescribing a "remedy" in minuscule doses that in large doses would produce the same symptoms seen in the patient. These remedies are meant to stimulate the immune system, helping to cure the illness, according to homeopathy.
Naturopathy
Based on preventative care, and on the use of heat, water, light, air, and massage as primary therapies for disease.
