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post #31 of 39
2/10/10 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by strange_wings View Post
You can't save them all, sadly. The vet needs money to pay for their bills and keeping the clinic up to date - no one is going to look the other way because the person did a good deed.

And yes, it's sad that money is more important. A lot of people die simply because they don't have money for medical care or even food.
Yeah... in this case, the boy saved his dog, so, good for him... IMO, anyways. The majority of vets and doctors do pro-bono work, that is not unusual... This vet IMO was just really ethically weak.
Ok... I am done with this thread... I guess I said all I had to say...
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post #32 of 39
2/10/10 at 10:37pm
I have mixed feelings about who is the more negligent of the two. I wonder where this puppy was for the 2 weeks after being hit by the car. I suppose the two options are that it was being cared for in the vet clinic, or laying at home with a broken leg. The fact that the vet said the puppy was in "agony" makes me wonder what kind of treatment it actually received during those 2 weeks. I can't imagine any clinic placing an animal that was in pain in a kennel for two weeks and leaving it there. On the other hand, depending on the extent of the injuries, if the kid let this puppy lay at home for 2 weeks before seeking treatment, he might be lucky he isn't facing animal cruelty charges. The article is really too vague to know who the villain is here, or if there even is one.

The outcome for the puppy is great, but that still doesn't mean that this kid is fit to own a pet. And while this vet may not be one I'd care to use, he isn't obligated to give his services to those who can't afford it.

My former boss used to tell me that when a pet could be saved with treatment, but the owner couldn't or wouldn't afford it, his responsibility was to make sure that animal didn't suffer. If no one had donated the money for this puppy's surgery, putting it to sleep might have been the kindest thing to do.
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post #33 of 39
2/11/10 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Ok, I get it... with that analogy, if you kill an animal unnecessarily, IMO, you are a an animal murderer. Simple as that... for me you are, anyways...
IMO euthanasia should only be used in a clinic like this, as a last resort, if there was no hope for the animal, or if the quality of life after a treatment would be extremely poor... But that was not the case... This vet was going to kill the poor puppy because the family couldn't pay the bill for an amputation, which is not even that much of an expensive, or complicated procedure. That really bothers me. All for the money.
The vet was going to euth the puppy to end its' suffering because of the irresponsible actions of the owners. Yes, the owner's are at fault for the pup getting hit by a car. The owner is responsible for keeping their pup safe, they did not keep him safe. The young man thought only of himself and not of the continued agony this pup was in.
And the owner is not the one who saved this dog, he did nothing to save the dog. The generous public saved the dog, not the owner.

My "Christian" compassion is for the dog who was suffering, not the owner's who allowed the dog to get hurt. Sometimes the truth hurts, this is one of those times.
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post #34 of 39
2/11/10 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
The vet was going to euth the puppy to end its' suffering because of the irresponsible actions of the owners. Yes, the owner's are at fault for the pup getting hit by a car. The owner is responsible for keeping their pup safe, the did not keep him safe. The young man thought only of himself and not of the continued agony this pup was in.
And the owner is not the one who saved this dog, he did nothing to save the dog. The generous public saved the dog, not the owner.

My "Christian" compassion is for the dog who was suffering, not the owner's who allowed the dog to get hurt. Sometimes the truth hurts, this is one of those times.
YOUR truth. That doesn't make the truth by any means, shape or form.
Funny how you choose who to be compassionate to, depending how convenient it is - don't remember Christ being like this. Perfect example why I don't waste my time going to Church.
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post #35 of 39
2/11/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
I have mixed feelings about who is the more negligent of the two. I wonder where this puppy was for the 2 weeks after being hit by the car. I suppose the two options are that it was being cared for in the vet clinic, or laying at home with a broken leg. The fact that the vet said the puppy was in "agony" makes me wonder what kind of treatment it actually received during those 2 weeks. I can't imagine any clinic placing an animal that was in pain in a kennel for two weeks and leaving it there. On the other hand, depending on the extent of the injuries, if the kid let this puppy lay at home for 2 weeks before seeking treatment, he might be lucky he isn't facing animal cruelty charges. The article is really too vague to know who the villain is here, or if there even is one.
This is the big thing I wonder. Speaking from my own personal experience of having a 5 month old puppy hit by a car (yes - I will admit it happened back when I was 15 and I will never ever forget her screams of agony), and speaking from experience seeing dogs hit by cars come into the shelter weeks later ...... I cannot begin to imagine the pain that pup was in.

I can't guess either way (well I can guess, but I have a 50/50 shot of being right/wrong) who had the pup for those 2 weeks - the owners or the vet clinic.

I honestly think both were wrong - the clinic to hold the pup/euthanize it, and the "boy" (are we really calling a 19 year old a boy as though he is a kid?) to steal it.
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post #36 of 39
2/11/10 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
YOUR truth. That doesn't make the truth by any means, shape or form.
Funny how you choose who to be compassionate to, depending how convenient it is - don't remember Christ being like this. Perfect example why I don't waste my time going to Church.
Somehow, I doubt that is the reason you do not attend church.

The bottom line, for me, is; our pets depend on us for everything. They depend on us for nourishment and shelter and vet care and to keep them safe.

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post #37 of 39
2/11/10 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Somehow, I doubt that is the reason you do not attend church.
You better believe it... That's one example of what keeps me away. No vibes needed... I am perfectly ok

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The bottom line, for me, is; our pets depend on us for everything. They depend on us for nourishment and shelter and vet care and to keep them safe.
I agree 100%.
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post #38 of 39
2/11/10 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
You better believe it... That's one example of what keeps me away. No vibes needed... I am perfectly ok

I agree 100%.
I'm sorry, I don't. Keep the vibes anyway, my friend, they're on me.

The pup will have surgery soon, so all is well.
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post #39 of 39
2/18/10 at 1:01pm
I hadn't even heard of this story until now. I think this is a good reminder for folk to have a regular vet - vets in NZ are VERY good with letting people pay stuff off - and $3.50 what a joke. For $3.50 you can get a bottle of juice in NZ.
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