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Lech Walesa, former President of Poland to Rescue U.S. from Communism?

post #1 of 23
2/6/10 at 11:08am
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If the former Poland President thinks the U.S. is about to change from Capitalism to Communism/Socialism -- it gets my attention if nothing else does.

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http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/v...-illinois-gop/

Article: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...r_conserv.html

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... In a video-taped interview by a group known as foundingbloggers.com, Walesa indicated that the U.S. was heading toward socialism because of two factors:
The issue with the banks; and the government wastes all the money; they build a bureaucracy; just for itself.
He went on to reassure:
But we will not let you devolve to communism here. ...
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post #2 of 23
2/6/10 at 12:06pm
One real big problem is that he doesn't speak English to any extent, so anything he knows about the U.S. he is getting second-hand.

Communism? Not a chance. Republican democracy with a touch of socialism, not a doubt, and nothing new.
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post #3 of 23
2/6/10 at 12:21pm
Actually if you read some of the ways to change a country to Communism, what is happening now in the US is on the road to that way. Right now its too much Socialism and that can lead right to Communism if we are not careful.

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist...to-Planks.html

The only way to change things is to get Obama out in the next election - stop his agenda now and to kick out EVERYONE in Congress and start over (except for Scott Brown who just got in).
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post #4 of 23
2/6/10 at 1:54pm
YEAH Socialism!

Somewhere in heaven Upton Sinclair is tap dancing, thanks Lech, from your lips to God's ears!

Signed,

Proud Pinko, take that, cousin Joe McCarthy!
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post #5 of 23
2/6/10 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Actually if you read some of the ways to change a country to Communism, what is happening now in the US is on the road to that way. Right now its too much Socialism and that can lead right to Communism if we are not careful.
I suppose I could point you to the book that came out about two years ago about how the United States was well on the road to fascism. That wasn't true (which, if the amateur journalist who wrote it had known anything about fascism, she would have known), and it's not true that we're on the way to communism, if you know anything about communism.

It's easy to throw these words around, but, as a former World History teacher, I know these words have a definite meaning and that they are frequently misused in everyday conversation, reporting, and even writing.
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post #6 of 23
2/6/10 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz View Post
YEAH Socialism!

Somewhere in heaven Upton Sinclair is tap dancing, thanks Lech, from your lips to God's ears!

Signed,

Proud Pinko, take that, cousin Joe McCarthy!
Never underestimate the power of the people that fight against this nation becoming a socialist country. Look how they fought against Barack's socialized medicine.

I love how people look down their noses at capitalism as if it is the worst evil in the world. Capitalism has worked pretty good in this country for more than 200 years. You want socialism, move to Europe.
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post #7 of 23
2/6/10 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz View Post
YEAH Socialism!

Somewhere in heaven Upton Sinclair is tap dancing, thanks Lech, from your lips to God's ears!

Signed,

Proud Pinko, take that, cousin Joe McCarthy!
I don't think the socialist policies of New York and California are working out to good, both states are broke, aren't they?
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post #8 of 23
2/7/10 at 3:58am
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I don't think the socialist policies of New York and California are working out to good, both states are broke, aren't they?
I don't know much about California, but can you tell me what the socialist policies of New York are? Dave Patterson, Mike Bloomberg and I would love to know!

And if we are a socialist city/state, will that subway fare ($2.25) be free any time soon???
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post #9 of 23
2/7/10 at 4:15am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Actually if you read some of the ways to change a country to Communism, what is happening now in the US is on the road to that way. Right now its too much Socialism and that can lead right to Communism if we are not careful.

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist...to-Planks.html

The only way to change things is to get Obama out in the next election - stop his agenda now and to kick out EVERYONE in Congress and start over (except for Scott Brown who just got in).
Oh, P-L-E-A-S-E!
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
I suppose I could point you to the book that came out about two years ago about how the United States was well on the road to fascism. That wasn't true (which, if the amateur journalist who wrote it had known anything about fascism, she would have known), and it's not true that we're on the way to communism, if you know anything about communism.

It's easy to throw these words around, but, as a former World History teacher, I know these words have a definite meaning and that they are frequently misused in everyday conversation, reporting, and even writing.
Thank you mrblanche
I see these words being thrown around left and right by people who have no idea of what it actually means. It amazes me how quickly Democrats became the new so-called socialists in this new government, and now are walking towards communism (in the republican's minds, of course).
America communist? If people who are speaking these words knew about it, they would know, there is not a chance. Obama, communist? In their dreams, but in reality? No.
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post #10 of 23
2/7/10 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Never underestimate the power of the people that fight against this nation becoming a socialist country. Look how they fought against Barack's socialized medicine.
Gee and here I thought it was the health insurance companies fighting to keep their gravy train going.

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I love how people look down their noses at capitalism as if it is the worst evil in the world. Capitalism has worked pretty good in this country for more than 200 years. You want socialism, move to Europe.
Oh indeed, capitalism was doing fine in the early part of the 20th century: sweat shops, child labor, unsafe conditions. Nowadays we have Social Security and unemployment insurance, both socialist concepts.

As I see it, the problem with Socialism is that there will be enough greedy jerks who take advantage of the system to spoil it for the others. And the problem with (unregulated) Capitalism is that there will be enough greedy jerks who take advantage of their fellow citizens to spoil it for the others.
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post #11 of 23
2/7/10 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz View Post
I don't know much about California, but can you tell me what the socialist policies of New York are? Dave Patterson, Mike Bloomberg and I would love to know!

And if we are a socialist city/state, will that subway fare ($2.25) be free any time soon???
Oh, like all large cities, NYC has plenty of socialism. It just about has to be that way, unless you're going to eat the poor or at least send them to work houses. Read some Dickens; that was before socialism took any root in London.

Will the subway fare be free? No, not for you, because you can afford it. I suspect it IS free for some, however. (Mind you, I don't know for sure about NYC, but I know most cities have a low-income transit subsidy.)
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post #12 of 23
2/7/10 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Oh, like all large cities, NYC has plenty of socialism. It just about has to be that way, unless you're going to eat the poor or at least send them to work houses. Read some Dickens; that was before socialism took any root in London.

Will the subway fare be free? No, not for you, because you can afford it. I suspect it IS free for some, however. (Mind you, I don't know for sure about NYC, but I know most cities have a low-income transit subsidy.)
Yes, Dickens is is an excellent example. Without the programs we have many more would be in the streets--right now homeless family stats run at about 40,000! Of course that does not even count the "single" people who are homeless. People come here from all over the country to avail themselves of our benefits, and I don't begrudge people for that, all they want is a better life after-all.

No one rides for free in the Bus/Subway system-except school children and only during school hours. Senior citizens ride half fare and now they are
trying to take away the free school child plan that has been around since the 1940's. That is being fought hard though. Just what we need more people without an education!

It may not have come off in print but there was a smidge of sarcasm in my OP. Still would like CKBLV list our socialist policies!

I did not expect you to know the in's and outs of the Metropolitan Transit Authority-I still get confused on the "A" Train!
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post #13 of 23
2/7/10 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Actually if you read some of the ways to change a country to Communism, what is happening now in the US is on the road to that way. Right now its too much Socialism and that can lead right to Communism if we are not careful.

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist...to-Planks.html

The only way to change things is to get Obama out in the next election - stop his agenda now and to kick out EVERYONE in Congress and start over (except for Scott Brown who just got in).
I agree, we do not need or want any of that socialism garbage in this country. Can not wait until Obama gets the big boot.
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post #14 of 23
2/7/10 at 9:54am
I think this is a good link which not only explains the differences between Communism and Socialism, it points out the similarities between a Democracy and Socialism and between Conservatives and Communists.
http://www.romm.org/soc_com.html

And those of you who rail against what you see as 'socialism' I guess you don't like employee stock option plans, credit unions, and employee-owned businesses?
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post #15 of 23
2/7/10 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
One real big problem is that he doesn't speak English to any extent, so anything he knows about the U.S. he is getting second-hand.

Communism? Not a chance. Republican democracy with a touch of socialism, not a doubt, and nothing new.
But would that not also hold true that most of what we hear from non-English speaking countries such as Iran, Syria, Oman, Russia, Japan etc, is second hand to us?
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post #16 of 23
2/7/10 at 3:42pm
What do I hear from them? I have friends from most of those countries, but it's not my job to decide foreign policy.

So...you think Lech is right, then, and we should change our domestic policies on his say-so?
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post #17 of 23
2/7/10 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
What do I hear from them? I have friends from most of those countries, but it's not my job to decide foreign policy.

So...you think Lech is right, then, and we should change our domestic policies on his say-so?
No, I'm saying what does his having to have an interpreter have to do with it? If not speaking the language first hand has any bearing, then no one has any business telling anyone else how to do anything. Such as, our President has no business trying to tell Iran what to do with their nuclear program, because he doesn't speak Farsi.
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post #18 of 23
2/7/10 at 6:45pm
I suppose you could see it that way. Or you could say that what we do politically in our country is our business, but if we started saying that we were going to wipe, oh, say, France off the map because they don't deserve to exist it might just make everyone else a little nervous.

By the way, it wasn't I but another journalist on NPR who pointed out that Lech actually has very little knowledge of the U.S.
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post #19 of 23
2/7/10 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
I suppose you could see it that way. Or you could say that what we do politically in our country is our business, but if we started saying that we were going to wipe, oh, say, France off the map because they don't deserve to exist it might just make everyone else a little nervous.

By the way, it wasn't I but another journalist on NPR who pointed out that Lech actually has very little knowledge of the U.S.
But if what the journalist says is true, then we don't really know that anyone is talking about wiping anyone off the map...we got it second hand.
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post #20 of 23
2/8/10 at 12:33am
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Suppose, then, that Mr. Walesa is just knowledgeable about socialism/communism - even if he does just have little knowledge about the U.S., would he not, then, still be able to identify socialism/communism here in the U.S.?

Also, maybe he really does understand English - but it's difficult for him to speak it, and uses someone to translate on his behalf? Walesa has an interesting bio in wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Wałęsa
I'm sure he has great contacts in the U.S. that are keeping him informed about the political events in the U.S.

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It seems like it's now more common for people in the U.S. to speak more favorably about Karl Marx (Communism).

It's been a number of years since I went to college, but no one - no one - would have said anything good about Marx or his theories.

Marxist ideas about property, and that it should be publicly owned, is becoming more accepted - our government is now in the car business, the banking business - to say nothing about all the park land It owns.

I think the Camel has his head in the tent already.
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post #21 of 23
2/10/10 at 12:29am
One thing that Lech may very well NOT understand is that while his labor unions were key to breaking the Communists in Poland, in the U.S. union leadership has always been a core of the Communist Party membership in our country.
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post #22 of 23
2/10/10 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by GloriaJH View Post
Suppose, then, that Mr. Walesa is just knowledgeable about socialism/communism - even if he does just have little knowledge about the U.S., would he not, then, still be able to identify socialism/communism here in the U.S.?

Also, maybe he really does understand English - but it's difficult for him to speak it, and uses someone to translate on his behalf? Walesa has an interesting bio in wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Wałęsa
I'm sure he has great contacts in the U.S. that are keeping him informed about the political events in the U.S.

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It seems like it's now more common for people in the U.S. to speak more favorably about Karl Marx (Communism).

It's been a number of years since I went to college, but no one - no one - would have said anything good about Marx or his theories.

Marxist ideas about property, and that it should be publicly owned, is becoming more accepted - our government is now in the car business, the banking business - to say nothing about all the park land It owns.

I think the Camel has his head in the tent already.
I haven't heard anything bad about Marx nor do I think negatively of him. He was an ideologue, and a great social theorist. And, as far as we know, no one has tried to apply his exact theory- Lenin had his own based off of Marx' and so did all the other communist leaders. Marx himself when he became old said "I am not a Marxist" because so many misinterpreted his theory. But really, I don't agree with Marx- I just admire his compassion for all the child labor and long working hours in England, how he wanted to change that and be their voice.
Anyway, I don't know anyone who is saying anything good about a socialist/communist dictator- that is when I would worried.
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post #23 of 23
2/10/10 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by ut0pia View Post
I haven't heard anything bad about Marx nor do I think negatively of him. He was an ideologue, and a great social theorist. And, as far as we know, no one has tried to apply his exact theory- Lenin had his own based off of Marx' and so did all the other communist leaders. Marx himself when he became old said "I am not a Marxist" because so many misinterpreted his theory. But really, I don't agree with Marx- I just admire his compassion for all the child labor and long working hours in England, how he wanted to change that and be their voice.
Anyway, I don't know anyone who is saying anything good about a socialist/communist dictator- that is when I would worried.
1. I'll bet you haven't. Most far left college professors worship Marx.

2. Van Jones, Barack's EX-Green Czar is a self described Communist, thankfully he got the boot.
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