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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat
 Obama has ALREADY failed IMO.
 He will continue to fail for the rest of his term. |
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Wow, now we have someone with a crystal ball here!
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If Obama continues on this path, he will fail, that is a given.
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat
We sure do
If Obama continues on this path, he will fail, that is a given. |
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Wow, now we have someone with a crystal ball here! Say what is tonight's winning lottery numbers??? I repeat, Ronald Reagan was considered a one termer for quite a while. In fact the approval ratings for both at this juncture match! It ain't over 'til it's over!
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Originally Posted by ckblv
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Again YouTube the cultural icon! The few times I have been there I was so turned off by the guttural and crass language in the "reviews" that I decided to skip that site forever. But if that is where you get your jollies go ahead honey!
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Youtube is where you go to find video of politicians hypocrisy. LOL Don't blame Youtube for the words of politicians, Youtube didn't tell the politicians how to make fools of themselves, they did that all by themselves.
BTW, just wanted to inform you I am not like some posters, in the past here, that get all offended when people call them, "honey" or "kiddo" so it's all good. |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
All sorts of hypocrisy...like Palin at the convention, making deriding jokes about Obama and his teleprompter, all the while reading from the crib notes she had written on the palm of her hand. It's on Youtube as well
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom
They aren't freebies, but some people get a lot more out of those programs than they paid into them. So they are in fact a redistribution of wealth. Sounds pretty socialistic to me.
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Especially those senior citizens who are still collecting Social Security because, if we do the math in true capitalist ways, the actual small amounts they contributed to their accounts were according to the prevailing wages & costs of living those many years ago, versus the extra long years they have survived due to so many factors, such as medical advancements, healthier housing, etc. , have been spent years ago and they are now being supported directly by dollars that younger generations have contributed to the system. And yet, California is known as the place of liberal radicals who actually don't seem to mind thinking of the greater good of all.
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
Especially those senior citizens who are still collecting Social Security because, if we do the math in true capitalist ways, the actual small amounts they contributed to their accounts were according to the prevailing wages & costs of living those many years ago, versus the extra long years they have survived due to so many factors, such as medical advancements, healthier housing, etc. , have been spent years ago and they are now being supported directly by dollars that younger generations have contributed to the system. |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
All sorts of hypocrisy...like Palin at the convention, making deriding jokes about Obama and his teleprompter, all the while reading from the crib notes she had written on the palm of her hand. It's on Youtube as well
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
LOL! I loved the crib, "raise the spirit of Americans" she had to REMIND herself of THAT!!! Ya gotta HAND it to her!
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| 10. Preparation. Make the best out of preparation rather than just scribbling notes and often in a hurried panic. Some people like to write things down on index cards, while other resort to being a little more silly as they look at their notes written on the palm of their hand (not for clammy hands, please). Just be comfortable with what you know since you enjoy your work. |
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Well, seeing as how Barack has his speeches composed FOR him and read them off a telprompter I think I will take Sarah's memorized speeches.
So, she wrote a few points on her hand. http://thesuccessmantra.com/10-ways-...munication.php |
| Jon Favreau has the worst and the best job in political speechwriting. His boss is a best-selling author who doesn't really need his help, having written the 2004 speech that catapulted him onto the national stage. At the same time, the same boss also happens to be capable of delivering a speech in ways that can give his audience the goosebumps. |
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
Especially those senior citizens who are still collecting Social Security because, if we do the math in true capitalist ways, the actual small amounts they contributed to their accounts were according to the prevailing wages & costs of living those many years ago, versus the extra long years they have survived due to so many factors, such as medical advancements, healthier housing, etc. , have been spent years ago and they are now being supported directly by dollars that younger generations have contributed to the system.Oh, and let's not forget those disabled young adults who haven't contributed a darn thing to their SSI accounts, and the parents who worked less cuz they had to care for said child have not put in what they are taking out of the system. Oh, yes, whine all about it to a Californian who knows that for the longest time, for every $1 a Californian puts into the federal coffers, s/he would benefit a whopping .58-.63. but, hey, things are better now, for that $1, we CAs now benefit an average of .75 And yet, California is known as the place of liberal radicals who actually don't seem to mind thinking of the greater good of all. |
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Again she had to REMIND herself to "raise the spirit of Americans'---that's like having to remind yourself to say "sorry for your loss at a funeral."
What a lame brain she is. |
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Oh yes, for sure, the State of Californina should serve as a lesson to all of us. It is a regular beacon of light in the darkness.
I'm sorry Barack's health care plan, that rationed care for old people, didn't work out for you, maybe you could have gotten rid of some of those selfish old geezers that have the audacity to live so long. |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
But giving old people health care at all, beyond the amount they contributed, is a social (socialist) program. Isn't that a bad thing? I mean, "socialism" has been used as a "scary buzz word" against Obama for years.
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Originally Posted by ckblv
As far as I am concerned, the United States Government can give me back all the money I have paid in to Medicare and Social Security for the last forty years, with an agreed upon, fair amount of interest and they don't have to give me anything. No Social Security, no Medi-Care, no nothing. I would be ALL OVER that.
Cripe, I would probably do it without the interest. |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
If they were to do that, then a large number of the seniors would be out of money within 3 years, if that long. The average contribution in medicare taxes equates to roughly 5 months gross income. That would be the ultimate in "rationing care" for seniors. So if no health care after 2-3 years is acceptable, what is the problem with "rationing" over the long term?
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Congratulations to your teachers who taught you how to think for yourself and get informed!!! If only we could get the majority of the American public to do the same. It's frightening to me how people in Canada & Europe can take the time and make the effort to discover the facts of issues in our own country 
when we Americans just rely on mainstream media and react according to pundits 
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I would save that money and buy my own health care.
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| Let’s start with a typical person who was born in 1944, began work at age 21 in 1965, and in 2009 retired at age 65 and enrolled in Medicare. Over the course of his life he paid the Medicare tax out of his wages (see here for historical tax rates). According to the 2009 Medicare Trustees Report, the average Medicare benefit per person in 2008 was $11,012. From this, we subtract the average Medicare premium of $1,288 to produce an average net benefit of $9,724. I’ll assume that this person collects the average Medicare benefit from age 65 through age 83 (his life expectancy as of age 65). But unlike Social Security benefits, which increase only to keep up with inflation, Medicare benefits grow in real terms. The Medicare Trustees project that health costs will grow around 1 percentage point faster than the growth of per capita GDP, which in turn they project will grow around 1.3 percent faster than inflation over the next 15 years. So I assume that real Medicare benefits will increase by 2.3 percent each year. To make taxes and benefits comparable, I convert each to present value terms, assuming a real interest rate of 3 percent. This means that taxes paid in the past have 3 percent interest added each year, to account for the fact that these taxes could otherwise have been invested. Likewise, future benefits have 3 percent annual interest deducted, to account for the fact that retirees must wait to receive them. So what do we get? This typical person paid around $64,971 in Medicare payroll taxes over his lifetime. Likewise, after netting out Medicare premiums, he’ll receive around $173,886 in lifetime Medicare benefits. The net? He can expect to receive around $108,915 more in benefits than he paid in taxes over his lifetime. |
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Ahhhhh, reduced to name calling, now THAT will really leave a mark.
How terrible of her to write a few words on her hand, did you see the words she had the NERVE to write on her hand yesterday? I was SO offended, I just wanted to SCREAM!!!! She actually wrote, "Hi Mom" on her hand, isn't that just the limit!!! |
Presidents/pols have been using teleprompters since they were invented, and when Obama does speak off the cuff he is well versed. Unlike Palin who during the campaign even failed during extensive coaching--well documented. Even now SHE admits to being ill-prepared! No wonder she needs "simple instruction" crib notes. She is style and no substance. It is said that she is too lazy to do her homework, she will be a flash in the pan, her laziness will catch up to her.
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
As if you haven't named called Obama!
Presidents/pols have been using teleprompters since they were invented, and when Obama does speak off the cuff he is well versed. Unlike Palin who during the campaign even failed during extensive coaching--well documented. Even now SHE admits to being ill-prepared! No wonder she needs "simple instruction" crib notes. She is style and no substance. It is said that she is too lazy to do her homework, she will be a flash in the pan, her laziness will catch up to her. |
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Originally Posted by 2dogmom
http://blog.american.com/?p=3990
If you paid the average amount of approx $65,000 (in today's dollars) into the system and intend to spend that on health insurance premiums for a policy geared for an over 60 individual, you would last about 11 years. (And by the way I find the average monthly premium of $479 extremely low). Alternatively you could take your chances and not get any insurance and if you get hit with a big ticket illness, pay for it out of that $65000. http://www.ahipresearch.org/pdfs/200...inalReport.pdf Sounds like Medicare is a pretty good deal to me! |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
I agree. It's time we pulled the plug on all those socialist programs like WIC, Welfare, Medicare, Social Security, prescription drug subsidies for seniors, etc. Because after all, anything following a socialist model is bad, right! Think of all the money we'd save.
We could refund the pitiable amount people paid toward Medicare and let them "make it on their own". No more paying for anyone else. |
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
AND free public education!
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
Exactly. I agree. Conservatism has spoken! Socialist programs are bad!
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I'm going to come over there and slap you.
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